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does anybody really buy the 'gable film being fake' bullcrap?

posted 15 years ago by truth_movement
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first how do we know the guy who said he did it, how do we know hes not making it up just to get his 15 minutes of fame? i mean he could have seen the film and came up with excuses so it would look like he did it. he could have saw the trucks and stuff in the film and decided to get some to make it look like he did it. the film is interesting, but as for as him saying he did it, im still not buying it. anybody can take a camera around and show ways he COULD have done it but that doesnt mean he did it. the creature in the film could be real and hes just looking for some attention so he said he did it.

[–] matt197981 15 years ago

I hope you're just kidding and being an obvious troll lol

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[–] Balcones 14 years ago

matt197981,

wienerboy925 is a troll. He even states so in his profile. It says, "Troll, but with a conscience!"

[–] matt197981 15 years ago

how do you explain it? you splice in splice in footage of canine teeth it would be pretty easy really

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[–] matt197981 15 years ago

but it doesn't look that good and it does look like splicing to me it's quite obvious the teeth were added in

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[–] truth_movement 15 years ago

no i wasnt being a troll. im being serious. every thing i said is valid points. its not the first time somebody said they did something to get the fame from it and then we find out they were lying about doing it.

[–] matt197981 15 years ago

So you still think the Gable film is real? even though it's obviously fake and blurry and the people keep their faces hidden or turned away from the camera to better hide their identity??

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[–] truth_movement 15 years ago

why is fake? because some guy said it was? yeah i guess we should believe him seeing how we know him very well and know he wouldnt make up the lie just for a little tv fame. please. yeah i very much think its real

[–] Boogie_Knight 15 years ago

But you basically believe in EVERYTHING don't you? It is a part of your make up. No critical abilities at all.

Of course, no one would ever make up a monster film for TV fame, huh?

It is a safe assumption that any film of a fantastic and unknown creature is fake unless there is compelling evidence of its existence, as in a recovered speciman.

[–] truth_movement 15 years ago

no i dont believe in everything. im just saying he could have said he made it up just for the tv time

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[–] matt197981 15 years ago

you do know that Steve Cook even said he was in on the hoax. He admitted that he was in on it. How do you explain that?

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[–] matt197981 15 years ago

the fact that he was heavily involved in it even as far as saying that he found it at some garage sale. I think I would believe him since he was so involved with it when he even says it's a fake. I think he would be the one of the ones to know.

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[–] matt197981 15 years ago

it seems like you will do anything to believe that this video is real like avoiding the evidence that this was faked. You're either real dense or just trying to be funny

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[–] truth_movement 15 years ago

thats true, wienerboy, even when he put on the gilly suit and did it again for monsterquest, he didnt move at all like what was in the video. im sorry but its hard to take somebodies word for it when they say they faked it. anybody could say they hoaxed it just to get on tv, but actually have nothing to do with the video. you cant say its not real, just because some guy says he faked it. you cant always take somebodies word for something.

[–] matt197981 15 years ago

he had the exact same veichles he had the rubber suit thing for the dead body the same camera and the suit. What more do you need?

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[–] Boogie_Knight 15 years ago

I've never seen a human move like that. Even the most nimble and agile ones. Sorry nothing will convince me otherwise.

And no-one has ever seen any creature like the one in the film. It seems to exist ONLY in the film. Hmmmm.....

you cant say its not real, just because some guy says he faked it. you cant always take somebodies word for something.

Yes, and you seem to automatically take anyone's word for it whenever they say they have seen something strange,no matter how ridiculous and unproven.

Perhaps you folks need to ask why you need to co-exist with monsters to feel happy and complete.

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[–] matt197981 15 years ago

and how do you know exactly what they are seeing? there could be any number of things that the people are seeing that is if they aren't making it up. Besides you do know that the whole Michigan Dogman thing started with a song by a disc jockey who wrote it and was involved with the dogman hoax video.

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[–] matt197981 15 years ago

or they are just making up stuff and fabricating what they are seeing or seeing stuff int he darkness which they can't see very clearly.

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[–] Boogie_Knight 15 years ago

Hey butthead, get your facts straight

Dumbasses who believe that Wolfmen live among us need to learn some humility. Butthead? What are you? Twelve? Retarded? BOTH?

This whole nonsense was started as a hoax. There are no "sightings" that cannot be explained by bears, dogs, drunks, or more hoaxes.

But let's here your "facts". How many CREDIBLE people have had a credible sighting of this creature? I am not talking about seeing the many fantastic beasts that live in your head and under your bed,I am talking about being seeing and finding evidence for a living creature, the way they do for bears, deer, komodo dragons,you know, things that actually exist?

Where does ol' Wolfie fit in on the evolutionary ladder? Fossil records? Anything?

Or do you think it is a real lycanthrope?

Or have you just not thought it out that carefully?

That's why MonsterQuest had two shows about it

And what did they find besides evidence of a fake film.

I could say I've gone to the moon last weekend. Doesn't mean I actually did.

Let's see if I can break this down for you.

Story one....retarded, delusional teenager says he goes to the moon.

Story two...the people that made an obviously faked film of an obviously ridiculous creature based on a radio hoax admit they faked the film, and have the suit to prove it.

Surely even YOU can see how there is a different standard of credibility.

you cant always take somebodies word for something.

I love this standard you have. If someone claims to have faked something, you have this impossible standard of proof and huge sense of skepticism. If someone says they see Wolf Men in Michican you automatically BELIEVE.

I live about 3 hrs. from that area in Michigan. I'm planning to go there for a couple days this summer. I'll bring a camera with. If its there, I'll find it.

Oh this should be stunning.

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[–] Boogie_Knight 15 years ago

Believe it or not, I am immune to insults from people who believe Wolf Men live among us. Sorry.

The point is people are seeing something that they don't what it is

People are seeing canines, bears, other shapes in the woods in bad lighting when they predisposed to see Wolf Man. Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence there is. Eyewitness testimony in conditions like this is pretty much worthless.

There are pictures and video of something unknown.

There is one film which is undoubtably a hoax, and other pictures which are very lousy hoaxes.

you don't know what the creature is then how can you say what it is or isn't?

I can say for sure that Wolf Man doesn't exist.

I don't know what you think you are proving with your Kennedy analogy. See, the JFK assassination and the existence of JFK is a well documented historical phenomena. If there was no Z film, it still would have happened.

And there is no evidence at all of Wolfie. Do you see why that analogy doesn't hold up?

This is an interesting phenomena in the sense that is was something clearly created as a hoax that people actually began to "see" and believe in. Evidently it is quite a source of regional pride in Michigan, a struggling state that needs something to believe in.

It doesn't make it so though.

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[–] Boogie_Knight 15 years ago

There are a few scattered sightings of strange creatures prior to the DJ hoax, as there ALWAYS are. People like to tell tells.

The economy in Michigan is presently the worst in the US with an unemployment rate of 15 percent. THAT is what I am talking about.

Yes, I know the Wolfman doen't exist, in the same way I know unicorns don't exist. That is not arrogance. That is a very basic level of knowledge.

No, I'm not a "cyptozoologist" and that is not exactly a label I would be proud to have.

New species are found all the time without any evidence of them beforehand? Really? Name ONE. I am not talking about an existing variation on a known species, I am talkng about a completely new species without any existing prior evidence, like Wolfman would be. Happens all the time? OK, give me ONE example.

Oh, I have plenty of humility. You need to learn some very basic critical thinking.

Here is an question....in the Gable film, the film maker is clearly killed or at least seriously hurt by Wolfie. The hoaxer did make a follow up film where the body was being investigated by fake cops. OK...if someone actually WAS killed or seriously injured by an unknown creature in those untamed Michigan Wilds, wouldn't there be some sort of police record of it? Wouldn't it create a media frenzy? Everytime someone is hurt by a bear or cougar in California it is a widely reported...such a vivid attack by an unknown creature would be a national media event.

But it wasn't, was it? So why not? What POSSIBLE reason could there be except the film was a hoax?

[–] truth_movement 15 years ago

boogie you can say for sure that werewolves dont exist? so you criticize us for believing in werewolf, but yet you want us to believe you searched the entire planet, every corner, every cave, every inch of this planet? i mean thats the only way you would know for sure, which is what you said.

[–] Boogie_Knight 15 years ago

Uh...what's wrong with you people?

I guess we are just dealing with totally different views of reality. I believe in a scientific world view where things are determined by evidence and reason. I am not opposed to things existing outside of it, I do in fact have spiritual beliefs but these aren't the kinds of things you find in monster videos.

Other people evidently exist in a world where there is in fact no difference between fantasy and reality, where if you can imagine a thing it can in fact exist, and where the scientific test is that you must be able to explore every inch of the planet and be a crpytozoolgist.

It is clear that there are some creatures, for instance, bears and water buffalo,that are real and whose existence can be proven. There are other creatures such as werewolves and vampires who do not exist, and which are created by folklore and the archetypes of the human mind. "Cryptids" are very interesting in the sense that they are in fact creatures from the imaginary realm that people try to pass off as real creatures.

So....to each his own I guess. I would tend to think that people who can not make this very basic distinction between reality and fantasy are either very young, very mentally unformed, or possibly schizophrenic. But that is just me being arrogant and crushing people's dreams again.

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[–] Boogie_Knight 15 years ago

OK so you reveal yoursef to be a very young person and not very bright. It's OK. Don't want to make you feel small. You are a very special young man. I'm sure there are all kinds of monsters in your world, and they are as real as you need them to be.

I notice how none of you true believers has bothered to take the challenge of why there are no police or media reports regarding the attack in the Gable Film. But that is fine. This is a "real world" type of thing and if that is not where you dwell, you can't be expected to answer questions about it.

[–] truth_movement 15 years ago

look at the position of everything in the video. the creature is on the left side of the screen which means when the man ran from it, the creature would be behind him, but in the end of the film, the creature attacks from the right side. so i think he filmed an unknown creature and was able to get away, but he decided to try to make something out of it and added extra footage to the film to make it look like he was attacked, but wasnt. so yeah the creature running at him was real, but the rest was faked.

[–] Boogie_Knight 15 years ago

And this is a more logical argument to you than believing the WHOLE THING WAS FAKED?

Someone has this remarkable footage of an unknown creature and then ruins it by editing in cheezy monster attack footage..and then sits on it for years.

[–] truth_movement 15 years ago

yeah thats what im saying

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[–] ghostdog2041 14 years ago

Are you people crazy? Werewolves?
"Why don't you believe in werewolves?"
Um, because a human transforming into a beast is preposterous? You guys need a village witchdoctor in your town. He would clean you out.
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[–] tranceaddict17 14 years ago

Look at the "creature" running towards the camera man, you have to be very slender to move your body/crawl at that speed. It moved kinda ape-like at first. The canine teeth are a bit dramatized I think (looked like that fake Chupacabra pic that you can find online), but overall I don't think it was a human.

[–] prodigy_90 14 years ago

Wow.. you MUST be joking about this. For your sake i really hope so. You are just ignoring all the evidence here..

The Gabel films are 100% fabricated and fake! and the evidence is right there!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65cy1FzIfw

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The guy who says he faked it had all the original retro vehicles, same color and everything. if you compare the footage in the film and the interview you can clearly see the vehicles are 100% identical, the same amount of rust in the exact same location AND with the same shape..

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The hoaxter is IN the original film.. there is a CLEAR image of him, smiling to the camera when his son turns and films him driving the car. it's the same guy!
(but no ofcourse, the fake hoaxter must be his evil twin right? covering up his brothers REAL death, because HE is actually the wolfman..)

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He shows us the suit he used. (You can argue as much as you want about the movement. It's still just a man in a siut, he was as he said himself, lucky at getting it to look convincingly enough to fool idiots like you)

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The geographical errors during the "attack" proves it was staged. When he turns the camera before "dying" you can recognize the foiladge, it is the exact same as when he is first filming the "creature" charging.. His "death" scene location is at the exact same spot where the "creature" was standing in the first place.. so he is essentially runing away but somehow appears way back.. how? it's movie magic my friend, it's called editing and cutting..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12DGqbhI6OI&feature=related

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The obviously added teeth part at the end.

OH! and let's not forget part two!

1:
A person is found mutilated and torn in half. NO police record, media coverage or anything? no family who misses or recognized the "victim"? don't start with any "the government was covering it up *beep*

2:
Footage that actually SHOWS the fake police officer helping the guy getting in the pit, and covers him with the fake guts (which is also reveald in the interview)

I know in you're head you thought the Gabel film was real at first (and you STILL do, apperantly) and that triggered something in you're brain which lead you to belive that the Michigan Dogman exists. And you thought it was so exiting and cool. And then you denie the facts because you are ignorant, and don't want to admit that it's a hoax. Because it ruins you're little fantacy :)

I bet your locking yourself in the basement during every full moon.. oh! and don't forget to wear garlic, you know, cuz vampires don't like garlic.. WHAT? you don't belive me? seriously, watch a film called Dracula from 1931! TOTALLY REAL!

Don't get me wrong, the Gabel film is interesting and cool. but it's 100% fiction, nothing more ^^

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"If you watch the video, the part of where they featured the alleged hoaxer was clearer and more colorful, while the footage of the actual monster was faded and blurred showing that it was older film then anything before it. What happened after that its hard to say but its to different films altogether."
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WHAT?? are you hired to try to persuade people or something? you're arguments are extremely weak.. you don't believe it's a hoax because of some color issues? and despite ALL the hard evidence pointing that it IS a hoax indeed?
It's a damn 8mm film man! colors are weird.. it's natural. and it's not much clearer.. you have obviously never seen any other 8mm film from the 70's.. besides.. it's a closeup, no wonder you see his face clearer than say the "creature" or him chopping wood. it IS the same film...

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You don't get it do you? First of all, i DO know that, because this film is clearly a big hoax.. I'm not saying people die or gets missing without media coverage or whatever it happens all the time. That's not the issue here. Because this was supposedly leaked right? then how come there is NO record of the people or the children or the case when investigators tries to find out about the video? oh i know, it's fake, that's why, and the guy who did it admitted it, and not only that, he SHOWED it.. ERGO.. it's fake

by the way you didn't address the other stuff i mentioned, The solid evidence that this is all fabricated. It's because you can't come up with anything that will hold up.

you can stop pretending to still believe the video is real now, and start some other ridiculous debate instead.. like the moon is made of cheese or something.

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[–] prodigy_90 14 years ago

Haha! That's funny. Original AND mature.. wow =) Can't compete with that. Guess you ran out of BS Arguments huh? Consider yourself lucky, now you don't have to worry about a Michigan Dog man running around, Because you know it was just a hoax video. Good entertainment tho ^^

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[–] prodigy_90 14 years ago

Haha, no i didn't think about it, because it defies all logic.. so who the H obtained this original film may i ask? a former cop? who decided that, he would steal the "video evidence they found in the 70's" and sell it at a freakin' garage sale? :P do you realise how stupid that sounds?

And you didn't address those topics because you felt like picking just those two? hmm.. I don't get it.. ALL the other evidence is proof that the WHOLE thing is fake.. not just partially.. remember the geographical errors? wanna explain those? or what about the footage where the "police" guys help stage the crime scene?

Oh, and just because the tape was faded when shown on Monsterquest doesn't prove anything. every time they address something they don't show the ENTIRE clip. they show it in parts, And probably make fade translations for the viewers to follow the narration and what not.. besides, there were different clips, remember they took some footage and blew up the size? and tried to make it clearer?

You are letting you're fantasies run wild my friend.. you should write a horror novel or something.. hell.. I'll even read it!

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[–] prodigy_90 14 years ago

Jesus Christ.. are you even following what I'm saying here? the gabel film was analyzed and blown up digitally by video experts to try to see better.. I'm not talking about miniature models! and are you comparing pearl harbor with THIS? pearl harbor was BIG! it was a full on war attack by the Japanese.. REAL people died.. REAL events took place.. I'm not even going to begin with that.. you are sceptical on the attack on pearl harbor, but you strongly believe in the gabel film? despite the hard evidence that proves it's a hoax.. something is seriously messed up in you're head..

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[–] prodigy_90 14 years ago

I'm not that ignorant and stupid that i believe that the holocaust was a hoax.. in fact i know a lot about it. i have been to Sachsenhausen, auswitch and a lot of other camps, And i think people who don't believe it happened are ignorant and stupid.

I am not saying if it ain't blown up or cleared it's not real! I am saying the reason that it IS clearer in some places, is because monsterquest enhanced the video to make it clearer, and to analyze it. And that's why you may See change in color etc. besides, the lighting and weather can also play a huge part. remember this was 8mm film. the pinkish color is actually quite common..

[–] brushfyr 14 years ago

Ok, how the hell cna someone SPLICE film together unless he's george lucas? He's the only man rich enough with movie savvy that could fake this. It's impossible in this day and age for anything that looks that REAL and convincing to be anything other then REAL!!!

THey are not wolfman living among us! They are against us! Havent' you seen They Live? Or The Wolf Man? Or Sherlock Holmes (which I saw recently and was suprised by how much I like it but I didnt know it was Guy Richie and I really liked Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels).

No, really in all seriousness this is a fake. But Sherlock Holmes was enjoyable.

[–] DaChiTownDude 14 years ago

"Ok, how the hell cna someone SPLICE film together unless he's george lucas? He's the only man rich enough with movie savvy that could fake this. It's impossible in this day and age for anything that looks that REAL and convincing to be anything other then REAL!!!"

Not really. Ed Wood And Al Adamson would splice stock footage it their films all the time. It's not that hard. You can make a movie, edited the monster part in, and then add other footage later. That's how Ed Wood did it in "Plan 9 from Outer Space" with the Bela Lugosi footage. That's how they he did it. Not to say the Gable film is real, however.

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[–] brushfyr 14 years ago

DaChi, I was being sarcastic. I saw the film, and it was mostly shakey with a closeup of a dog's muzzle, and it did not look like some lost monster to me. I was just making fun of the people taking the film at face value.

[–] DaChiTownDude 14 years ago

I see. Yeah I don't know how anyone could believe it's true. If there was a creature like that, it been proven years ago. Sure I'd like to think that there could be a dogman but I would like to think I have enough logic that understand it would be impossible to exist. Anyway, there's a lot of crazy people and they'll believe any crazy idea and there's nothing anyone can do for them. Well at least they're good, if accidentely, for a good laugh!!!

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[–] brushfyr 14 years ago

Ok, I checked the youtube posting that shows the guy talking about making the fake video. It's pretty funny. While the video looks cool, it should have been obvious it was a fake. If the creature is supposed to be a werewolf, or a 'dogman', then the creature doesnt look like one. It looks more like a swamp thing, it has vines over it's face, not a muzzle.

So it's hard to believe someone could see the first video and really seriously think it's real. I can understand wanting to believe. I used to believe in all this stuff hardcore until I was 16 or so. Read alot of books, and at some point I realized some of the people writing the stuff were crazy. Didnt make the rest seem the sane anymore.

But I think Texas really wants to believe the impossible. He doesnt seem totally nuts, just seems to be able to push the rational part of his mind aside to believe in werewolves. With Weiner, I'm not sure if he's a troll or not. Obviously there are really stupid people online, but Weiner seems to be too stupid. I think he may be a troll, like the Robert Hamberger character from the Real Ultimate Power site.

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[–] brian-931 14 years ago

One thing I never seen mentioned or inquired about with this film by people here or monster quest, is what "human" could move like that? Seriously, try it, try to move as the redneck in the gillie claims he did.

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[–] beware_of_dogma 15 years ago

Is it just me, or does the guy kind of looks like Jesus?

[–] Naughty-God 14 years ago

and many would concur, despite the video evidence from their wedding as well as the palimony checks he's required to pay every month.

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