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I liked this movie but.. *spoilers*


So, I really thought this was a good movie, the realisation that all the friends dying was part of the game was a pleasant point because it tied everything together.

But there are two points I really didn't like, firstly when we're a few deaths down and there's only three guys left, things start changing around them (Noticeably the brother vanishes and reappears at home), the we have a scene which is driven (or created if you will) solely on the acts of the brother, he drives the sister home where she is taken to hospital, then the brother dies and is erased from time but we're still in the hospital, I understand that we needed to get to the hospital for the story to continue but if you're going down the entire "The world is different without XXX" route, it's lazy to have the effects of a character as a pivotal plot progression if the character gets undone seconds later.

Secondly, I didn't really get a sense of resolution from the ending, it would have been nice to know if everyone came back, I mean since they were playing the game I imagined they would appear again, otherwise I liked the ending with the girls effectively switching places but it still felt unresolved with everyone else, were they dead or did they come back once the game was over?

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Unfortunately, like most people I think you're missing the point of the movie. It really is an intelligent ghost story about two friends forever divided by an unfortunate tragedy.

As you know when the game turns real and as each of the characters are killed they're turned into ghosts and any trace of them ever being alive is erased just like in the game's rhyme. Reality, or Sandy's perception of reality rather, is subsequently altered to prevent the introduction of the paradox. You're looking at it the wrong way because the acts of the brother wasn't a pivotal plot progression, but rather a secondary subplot.

So, you're wondering why when Sandy is taken to the hospital and after the brother dies then why are we still at the hospital? It's because Sandy was always in the hospital and never left the place. While this point and other plot points alluding to the thematic messages and the multiple subplots embedded within the context of the story are never so clearly explained, you have to look at the context of the events to understand what is really happening. Sandy had been deteriorating for a long time and had been disturbed since the incident with Angela. Her mental health had been declining, probably as a result of a nervous breakdown from her repressed sense of guilt from what she had done to Angela, which is why her parents had her committed to the hospital. You see her being committed and although you don't actually see her being sent to the hospital until towards the end of the movie, Sandy had been in the hospital from the beginning of the movie. You see all the events that took place throughout the movie never took place in the physical world -- it was all an internal struggle for Sandy.

You will understand better when you grasp the second point better.

I'm glad that the director and crew didn't bring the characters back to tie up all the events of the movie and cheat the audience with a cliche happy ending. It would have effectively undone the major theme of the movie which was retribution with a sense of paranormal justice. The movie wasn't unresolved with everyone else. They weren't dead and they didn't come back either because they never had existed. Angela and Sandy had invented the other friends, a figment of their imaginations if you will.

How do I know this? There were many hints throughout the movie and the movie leaves it up to you to study the events on a deeper level to piece the clues together. The story is really just about Sandy and Angela and the conflict which separates them. Sandy had been Angela's best friend and she betrayed her.

The first clue was the original playing of the game. In the first flashback you see only Sandy and Angela playing the game, note none of the other kids are around. In fact you don't the other characters playing the game as a group of kids in a flashback until three quarters of the way through the movie. The movie wants you to believe that all of the characters had been friends since childhood, but they are purposely misleading to setup an implied plot twist, which is the other kids weren't real. If they had known each other since childhood then why is it in the first series of flashbacks you don't see the other kids?

The second clue is a piece of dialogue spoken by Angela in the fist flashback: "Sister Dolores says if my faith (important keyword) is strong enough I can have all the friends I want, but I only want you." So, you should be asking yourself why would she need faith, an intangible metaphysical concept, to make friends? This is a verbal hint that the other kids had been fabricated, probably to make the game more interesting.

The third clue is the opening sequence of the movie. You see only Sandy running and screaming through the graveyard with paint on her face, again note the complete lack of the other kids.

The fourth clue is the flashback when you find out what happened to Angela. After she has her seizure and the nun opens the door to the convent to find Angela collapsed she never actually saw the other kids. The other kids disappeared way too quickly. When Sandy ran away she was right behind the other kids as they fled the convent, but seconds later when you see only Sandy running through the cemetery the other kids are gone. Where did they go? Logically speaking, they couldn't have gone far since the convent and the graveyard are right next to each other, but you only see Sandy running through the graveyard by herself thus coming full circle to the opening sequence.

The fifth clue is when Sandy speaks Eli's name from the hospital bed and the black guy, whom you originally believed to be the Dean of Admissions to Stanford but in reality is a psychiatrist, asks if Eli is one of her friends. The parent's response is: "Sandy doesn't have any friends." The big hint that what we have been seeing through Sandy's point of view isn't based in the real world is because of the black doctor. Ever stopped to wonder why a Dean of Admissions for a college would be at the hospital after Sandy's breakdown shining a light in her eyes? When the characters had died off the world hadn't changed, but instead Sandy was being pulled from her disillusionment coming closer to the real world and the truth, which was in reality she didn't have any friends other than Angela. So the whole movie the ghost of Angela is breaking down Sandy's disillusioned reality killing off her invented friends and breaking her down mentally. It's an exploratory internal journey as you see Sandy's psyche unravel.

The sixth clue is the confrontation between Sandy and Angela on the hospital rooftop. When Sandy finally admits to Angela and herself what really happened and taking responsibility. She says, "I know what I did to you," not "what we did to you." This is the biggest hint that the other characters had never been real because neither Angela nor Sandy acknowledge that the other kids had any part in what happened to Angela which is why you see only Sandy running through the graveyard by herself in the opening sequence, why the nun never saw the other kids when Angela collapses, and why Sandy's parents admit she doesn't have any friends.

The Seventh clue is when Angela awakens finally. She has a very grievous and sad expression on her face when she comes out of the coma because she, and only she, knows what happened. She feels sad because she knows her awakening means Sandy will have fallen into a coma, but it also signifies while she feels the pain of the loss of her friend it also means that a terrible injustice has been corrected. Then in the final frame of that scene Angela makes an ever so slight smile...

Then you see Sandy and only Sandy in a coma in a hospital bed -- the other characters were never real and had been destroyed as Sandy slipped out of her disillusionment. As I said before the movie had been an internal journey. The two friends had been fighting it out on "the other side".

The final clue about the metaphysical confrontation is hinted at by the empty hospital. Notice when Sandy turns off Angela's life support and the EKG flatlines not a single doctor or nurse comes running into the room. Also, when Sandy is running through the corridors banging on doors and screaming for help there isn't anyone around. There's not a nurse at the nurse station, you don't see any doctors, there isn't a security guard or other patients -- the hospital is completely and wholly deserted except for Sandy and the ghosts. This is to symbolize that the conflict with the ghosts is not based in th real world but taking place on some metaphysical realm instead.

Then there is the logical deduction part. If you saw landscape shots of the hospital before Sandy was carted in it was a pretty tall building and if Sandy had fallen from the rooftop in the real world then should would have suffered a fate much worse than a coma. She would have died or been paralyzed. The rooftop confrontation happened on the other side as Angela and Sandy battle it out for the last time and in the end it was Angela who emerged victorious. Angela smiles when she awakes because she had beaten Sandy and won the game finally.

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sounds like a good movie - too bad it'll probably never see the light of day on DVD

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Black Heart, I think you're giving the film way more credit than it deserves. Or maybe you wrote the film. I'm not sure which! I saw a fairly shallow film with thin characters and that's about it. And the fact that you're looking for deeper meaning in the film is probably scarier than anything in this film.

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Movies have always been a big part of my life and being a big movie buff I've learned to interpret and analyze the implied thematic meanings most people choose to overlook.

Take Starship Troopers as an example. On the superficial surface level it's a Sci-Fi military shooter where an imperial human regime battles hostile insectoids for survival. Anyone who has read the book as well knows that the story is as much a political essay as it is a novel and a subsequent movie. Social responsibility requires individual sacrifice regardless of the cost.

Upon closer examination you see that the Terran Federation is a very limited democracy. Citizenship is a civil responsibility and a privilege; suffrage [the right to vote and partake in government] is exclusive for those with the willingness to make sacrifice in the name of the common good and serve the needs of their society by enlisting into two years of voluntary federal service. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

Almost every well produced and intelligent film has a deeper theme if you seek them out. You saw a shallow film in Forget Me Not because you chose not to analyze the implied relationship between events and what they really mean as I elaborated in my previous post. The clues were scattered throughout the film, it was simply up to you to piece them together. Yet, the film can't be blamed if you chose not to interpret what the events really meant.

You saw thin characters, but I felt that they had more depth of personality than you give them credit for having. I know you have heard the expression: "Actions speak louder than words." The filmmakers invoke this philosophy so you learn more about the characters by what they do as opposed to what they say.

Early in the movie you see Hannah sleeping with Chad and later on she makes a pass at Jake despite the fact he is dating Sandy. When Jake chooses to make himself unavailable she settles for Eli. This shows she is a promiscuous and superficial girl who gets by in life relying on her looks. Chad was still dating his girlfriend when he slept with Hannah, but chose not to tell her which clearly depicts him as a womanizer not able to be faithful to any one girl. Alexis, or referred to as Lex in the film, is an uninhibited bad girl who knows no boundaries and will go to any extent, even pass herself off for sexual favors, to get anything she wants as we see when she seduces the clerk so her friends can rob the convenience store. Lex is also an arrogant and callous girl for her insensitive criticizing of Hannah saying that the other girl needs to sleep with guys to know what she is worth. Eli is the reserved and insecure brother who lacks the confidence to go after the girl he really wants, which is Hannah. He is also full of loyalty for Sandy and even when everyone else doubts her Eli stuck by her side willing to do anything to help her overcome the opposition placed before them. Finally, Jake who plays the role of the popular bad boy is genuinely in love with Sandy and faithful to her to the bitter end as seen by passing up on the advances made by Hannah. Even though Jake didn't believe what was going on and what Sandy was saying, he still subjected himself to the tribulations of the unknown because it meant that much to Sandy.

I wish I had written this film. Thanks for thinking I might have, I take that as a compliment. Seriously.

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Thanks for the reply and analysis, Tyler - good to know =D

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The two friends had been fighting it out on "the other side".

I didn't see two friends, i think they were the same person.

I took most of this movie like a spin-off of identity.

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So I've read your interpretation, and first I'd like to start with the fact that you imply there are only 2 options a viewer can do with any movie: analyze it or not analyze it.

Might I suggest a third: Over analyze it.

If I'm in a museum and some artist, perhaps even a historically famous one, has a painting that's lime green. That's it. It's a canvas that has been painted one unwavering shade of green. I could probably write an entire book about it; I could research where he or she was in their life, what may have inspired them, what the painting could possibly be symbolic of, multiple interpretations, reflections, allusions, allegories, and so on.

Or, I could say "it's just green paint on a board."

Which would be more accurate? I don't claim know, but I suspect most people will agree with my latter assertion and find the book I would have written to be rather contrived and ultimately over analyzing what is too simple to warrant such analysis.

This movie was far from some green paint on a piece of cloth, but I do think you're guilty of grasping at straws, to say the least.

Your explanation, elaborate though it may be, is inconsistent. I do love consistent alternate interpretations of movies, but there are too many places where I'd have to say "if that were the case, then this wouldn't be".

The problem I have with this movie is that I have yet to find a consistent interpretation of the movie, and that includes the one that is presented "as-is". I could bend the events of the movie, make them appear to be something they weren't, dismiss what remains unbendable as "well then there wouldn't have been a movie", and try to force it to fit one interpretation or another until I'm happy that I've found consistency, even if I had to manufacture that consistency with substance that simple isn't there.

Alternatively, I could just admit it was a pretty bad movie and move on with my life. And be happy there really was no consistency to be found.

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That is an interesting point of view but they never said the black guy was Dean of Admissions. They said he would recommend them for scholarships, and Sandy said she wanted to be a doctor just like him.

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@Blood, I agree with you, though the part where she said "I know what I did" could have just been her being sorry that she, as her best and one and only friend, had hurt her, not her "friends". Also I like the concept of the one person too because what if Angela had made Sandy up to be a friend or something like that. I will say this, I will give this movie more credit than most horror movies nowaday. Plus i like the chant haha

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