More on the ending


Starting a new thread because the other threads discussing the ending are getting hung up on would they - could they - should they have killed him.

Apart from the fact that the CIA, in such a situation, would have taken control of the situation - putting their own man as ghost writer - long before TG got involved, the big problem with the ending as film is timing.

TG could have made the discovery at any time - even before Lang's death. He certainly had weeks, at least between the death and the book launch to make the discovery and disseminate the information.

And yet we are lead to believe that, despite the CIA considering the information so important that they were prepared to commit at least two murders, they did nothing other than have a hit team standing by to perform a potentially difficult and very public assassination AFTER the most likely event at which he (or those he had told) would release it.

Effectively, the CIA plan was this:

We know that there is information there and we know TG has had access to it for some time. He could already have made the connection or he could at any time in the future. We can't let this information get out but we won't kill him quietly out of the public view now. No, what we'll do is have a hit squad available 24/7 so that the moment we know he has figured it out we can have him killed - possibly very publicly, within seconds.

Although we're perfectly happy to kill someone right out in the open on foreign territory we'll take the risk that he'll tip us off to the fact that he's got the information BEFORE he takes any steps to disseminate it even though he knows that his predecessor was almost certainly murdered.

Really, this is so utterly brainless as to be completely indefensible.

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Ha. I had just come to this forum to express exactly the same thing. I found the ending disappointing for just this reason – a shame, because the film was otherwise very enjoyable.

To supplement what you’ve said (‘…putting their own [CIA] man as ghost writer…’), the way a second ghost writer is engaged is highly contrived. It’s made clear that the CIA had already worked out the coded message in the manuscript (the reason they murdered McAra), and wanted to avoid it going to print. But the book was complete – it was ready to go to the publisher for editing and printing. They didn’t need a professional writer; all they need have done was to rephrase that handful of key sentences and the coded message would be lost. There was only one copy of the manuscript (the digital copy on the memory stick was encrypted by McAra, and presumably inaccessible to anyone). No one would be the wiser.

And while I am prepared to suspend disbelief to enjoy a good thriller, there are limits. McAra wasn’t being held captive: he had the capability to tell anyone the information he’d stumbled upon. At that point the CIA weren’t yet aware of his discovery. Why did he refuse to tell Rycart on the phone? Why didn’t he immediately pass on such crucial (and life-threatening) information to someone else – ANYONE else? Putting it in code in his manuscript made little sense other than as a plot device. Besides, the publishing company’s editor(s) might have quite routinely reordered or rephrased some of the crucial sentences – this is, after all, the sort of thing that editors do – which would have been tragically ironic.

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YES! My thoughts exactly! Sentences are rewritten all the time throughout a book's pre-publication process. They could've just told the editor to re-structure bits of it without making it seem like an unusual request. I wasn't quite sold on the elaborate scheme to hire a new ghostwriter, etc. But I did enjoy the movie. I've gotten better at allowing myself to suspend judgment and neurotic analysis and just take it for its entertainment value.

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Last sentence: So true! Esp since there are so few films lately that just are there to entertain us... might as well enjoy them!

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First Mr. Lang wanted a ghost writer, anyone from unknown company would have checkout being fake. He also probably wanted a british writer to keep the same style of writing. The CIA found out that the first ghost writer knew about Ruth and Emmett being CIA agents because the first ghost writer went to emmett and confronted him with the evidence. He was also staying that at Lang's place in the United State surely after Emmett contacted CIA they started following the ghost writer and once they heard his conversation with Rycart stating the truth is a the beginnings decided to kill him and wouldn't allow his work to leave the USA and possibly having someone decode his message accidentally. New ghost writer comes in and basically starts fresh, just takes a couple of things from the first one and rewrites it basically destroying the coded message. A publishing company putting out an autobiography of someone is going to want a ghost writer to confirm the information inside the book and verified facts such as Lang being in yale and cambridge. The CIA didn't know how the message was coded in the manuscript, what if you change the wrong word or is written in a format that would have still let to Ruth being a CIA agent? The place was also guarded by british security personal and they couldn't just go inside and get it and it would have raised suspicious after the first ghost writer was killed. The manualscript was inside a lock cabinet that require a special card be swipe at a certain location to open it. In the middle of the movie the second ghost writer gets a call where he is told that he must submit his version of the manual script in 2 or 3 weeks.

What I found suspicious was the Amelia knew what was said between the first ghost writer and Rycart. I wonder if she was CIA also.

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It's quite hard to respond sensibly to people who seem to be incapable of thinking about the wider picture.

You seem to have worked out half of the problem but do not seem to have grasped that just because the story was written in such a way that he initially suspected a Lang-Emmet link there was no reason that the CIA could have known how long he was going to run with that and at what point he would realise the truth (if at all) and how he would promulgate the information.

And THAT is what makes the plot absurd.

Had he realised the truth earlier he could have informed one or many people of his suspicions and the cat would have been well and truly out of the bag.

If they were prepared to kill him they would have done it well before there was any danger of his making the information more widely known.

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Your response is laughable.

"In which case it would have made most sense not to hire anyone in the first place!"

Quite. A point I made in another post. And they would certainly have made sure that the previous ghost's room would have been thoroughly searched and cleaned as soon as he'd been terminated.

"no one knew of the incriminating information until he found it at the book launch"

So why did they kill the last ghost writer?

And why did they have someone standing by so that the could terminate the new ghost barely a minute after he made known what he had found out?

Try and at least make sure there is some internal consistency to your argument.

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This has been an entertaining post and well explained. Supposedly Amelia asked the Ghost Writer to the launch at the last moment, but yet the CIA was there to terminate him... I guess that is possible if they truly do have hit squads 24/7, and come to think of it they probably do. I was happy someone finally eliminated this dull-witted writer and as stated in the posts he was arrogant, a blabbermouth and just plain stupid. Especially when proudly walks down the center of a busy street, just in time to be run over...what was all that about?

In fact it seems like the actor (McGregor) fits the bill in most of the films he has played in. I have been watching his earlier movies and I'm surprised he actually is still a popular actor. His style is tiresome and over played, he mumbles and its passed off as a Scottish accent, maybe it is? That doesn't account for his painful "little boy" baiting routine.
Back to the movie, these mystery's should be entertaining, but this one has many, many holes throughout and slowed the movie relentlessly into boredom...Lang's wife Ruth, had such a sarcastic presents in her voice it further made the movie unacceptable.

I think many valid points have been explored on this board and I thank all who participated...

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I found the ending disappointing. The ghost writer could had just told the members of the press in the room that she was a CIA spy, instead he passed a note to her!


Its that man again!!

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SPOILER ALERT

I came to the thread to join the voices of disappointment on the ending, but here I found myself having a somewhat different motive. Everyone here is disappointed on the pretext that it was CIA which killed him. I on the other hand believe it to be nothing more than an unfortunate car accident which had nothing to do with the story line. Hence my disappointment is purely on the way the story was concluded.

I don’t know how was the ending in the novel? Was it clearly shown that the ghost was killed by CIA?

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Interesting perspective. However the car was stationary if I remember correctly and it started then sped rapidly to collect the writer. It seemed very intentional the way it was presented.

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It was more vague but in the book it was implied that the writer was probably killed, though the method is unknown, but we can't be certain about it. Then again even the movie doesn't really show him dead either.

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Finally someone else notices that this actor is stiff and not very good. He got a reputation for being in a sex scene in almost all his movies which is not saying very much for him as an actor. His roles have been where he is hardly ever challenged on his acting abilities.

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I believe the ghost was at heart a reporter looking for truth.

So when he finds the truth about Lang and Ruth, he can't stand to have the book go out and not reveal the truth --

Here is where the story breaks down---
Instead of keeping the truth to himself, he tells the CIA agent!!! That is the part that is so absurd. and yet believable too.

But he wants to report report it like the reporter-at-heart that he is.

So why tell her? He wanted to see her reaction to see if it was really true.

As for the CIA, I don't think they would have killed him because they knew what the book said. It was only when he revealed what he knew that he had to die.

he was so sure he was right and it let to his demise.

The ghost just had to let her know he knew the truth and it sealed his fate.

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Perhaps CIA made a mistake, do you remember the precinct pistol suicide case?

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I loved the ending for several reasons. I wasn't very concerned about its logic, although in my mind, what most likely happened is that Ruth or Emmett phoned one of their drivers as the Ghost was getting out of the bookshop. Since it's the ending of the movie and the mystery has already been solved, I don't need it to be strictly logical other than in a purely dramatic sense. And in that respect, I found it fascinating.

The Ghost is defined by his lack of compromise with politics, people and, finally so, with his own existence as a human being. When he takes the path of the previous writer and starts to investigate (to make his own decisions not only for surviving, but for defining himself as individual), he seems to be destined to die, but he manages to avoid it (cheating, acting as if he didn't know). This creates a problem of balance. He is alive when, in some, sense, he shouldn't.

However, he discovers the secret hidden behind the whole plot, and his decission to say it to his rival ("I know who you are") finally kills him, which is the ultimate form of redemption: going where he was supposed to go in the first place, once he has stopped being a ghost.

And then, he seems to disappear, more than dying (we don't see it, we have to guess). He is not the Ghost anymore. Or did he just die? We never know for sure. There is a moment of silence, but we don't know what actually happened off screen.

It's so beautiful visually and so full of suggestions that I felt quite satisfied when I left the theater.

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I love your understanding of the ending!

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Ditto. The film is so underrated.

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I love your understanding too, but you explained it much better/deeper than McGregor acting it, and this is the problem!


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This was my take on it as well. Nicely written.

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No spoiler alert necessary at this stage, I'd think. Also: wouldn't the first words on each page have changed when the typed manuscript is printed as a book? The code would have been lost in the published book version, if McAra's ghostwriting had gone into print. What would have been the point of having the code in the typed ms?

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I can't see why the starts of chapters in a manuscript would not also be the starts of chapters in the published book version. Printing would not have altered this at all.

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Was it the beginning of each page or of each chapter? I thought it was each page, but I could be wrong.

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The movie seems to suggest that is the first word of each chapter. But if you look at the pages as he is underlining the first word on each page not all of them are from the first page of each chapter and some of the pages suggest they are the last page.

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Plenty of flaws in this film, though enjoyable. The ending, however, was one of the best endings possible for this particular film. Much more compelling than a Hollywood happy.

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I've only read the book, and in that I'm not even sure Adam Lang is bumped off by the CIA, if that's who we're talking about, while the ghost himself, well, it's implied he might be dead but it's left hanging.

It's such a page turner that you don't stop to examine the inconsistencies; however I'm not sure anyone other than the ghost writer figures out it's the first word of every chapter that reveals the truth, they just know the former ghost knew something was amiss and would reveal it somehow.

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SPOILERS

I have only one problem with the movie: predictability.
Here's why:

- when Ruth said "he always asks for my advices, and always usually takes it, until lately", I retained that information and made the connection that she was the agent as soon as TG learned on Google that Emmett was a CIA agent. There were many clues: 1. she slept with TG, which did seem like an operator working (typical in espionnage movies...she wanted him to stay to have more control over him), 2. why did she stay with her husband if she knew about her mistress AND was so damned sarcastic all the time? 3. those walks in the rain were forced, theatrical, unnatural. 4. she went to search for TG on the beach, right next to Wurmbrand's house, as if that area would lead to discoveries? She was controlling him, right from the start: "You were my idea".

- Lang was very convincing in the plane about not following anyone's orders. If he did make decisions that were to the advantage of the bloddy Americans, without thinking he was being forced into it, what other force could have pushed him to do so? His wife, "until lately"...which also announced he would be killed.

- "I never went in a private jet" - "Let's hope it's not your last" also announced his death. Why can't directors ever refrain from giving out hints like that? I hate it when they do that! Do you learn that in the stupid movie school? Stop giving out hints, we know the trade by now, be more original!

It may sound easy to say this after the fact but this board is anonymous, so really I don't give a damn about showing off, you don't know who I am and neither do I. I think the movie was predictable and that is the worst flaw I can attribute to a movie.

As for those who doubt he was killed, come on, the man was rammed into at an abnormal speed for that street, by a car obviously accelerating. Watch it again, you'll notice the speed of the other cars compared to this one, and the obvious acceleration. He was killed without a single doubt. He was always being followed, and when Ruth read the note, I think she was actually worried about TG's life, and that's why she tried to get to him, only to be stopped by the monstrous Emmett, who most probably already knew about the death order on TG, given regardless of the note or not.

But that last hypothesis is probably me being too trusting and in adoration of women :) She was also maybe just a standard operative bitch who was afraid he'd get away with the info.

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you don't know who I am and neither do I

haha


I think she was actually worried about TG's life, and that's why she tried to get to him

you hopeless romantic!

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So funny - was just going to type your exact comment (both parts!)

:-D

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He was murdered by the the CIA. Watch the final scene, as he walks out the car that struck him was parked down the street on the side lights off, when he steps into the road, you can see clear as day the car turns on, the lights come on, the car veers into the street killing him. looks as though to me to be quite apparent they were watching him. as ruth goes after the ghost writer paul emmett pulled her aside, she of course told him about the note, and then assuming paul emmett called for the attack as he exited the building, if their CIA its not hard to believe they had a team outside, especially anticipationing his arrival, it was the book release party..hard not to think he wouldn't show his face there

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I don't generally mind plot holes and implausibilities (although the first "ghost's" stuff being left in his room was GLAREING lol)
for the sake of a good movie which I thought this was but ca'mon!! TG would have to be a complete idiot to be run down like that!! It wasn't like that car came out of nowhere. It accelerated for a significantly LONG distance before (presumably) hitting him. I don't know about most people, but I pay attention to traffic when I cross even a mildly busy street.

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Good points.

More unconvincing was the thing about the McAra-manuscript. Ok, it could have worked out like that: he found it out, wrote it in his manuscript. Then he went to Emmett, confronted him what he had found out, was killed.
But what is unconvincing, that the "bad guys" always had the manuscript in their posession, and did nothing about it. They seemingly knew the decisive page; why not forge it and swap it with another one, which could have been easily done?

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The bad guys didn’t know about the coded message. They just knew that McAra was making too many connections and needed to be rubbed out and replaced.

Also, they would be hesitant to murder two ghost writers in a row because it would draw attention - what are these people finding out? Or as Rycart put it ‘they can’t drown two of you, you’re not kittens.’

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Is it completely out of the question that him being run over was not done by the CIA but an accident?

Okay the speeding car didn't look like it was going to hit it's brakes any time soon as was speeding up, but 'The Ghost' seems to have a reputation for wandering out in front of traffic (bicycle incident).

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Here's my take:

Once Ewan's character went to see Tom Wilkinson's character at home in his lair, he was marked for death, because he was getting too close to the truth. Therefore, it's not implausible that it took place at the party, because the message code break did not cause the hit, it was planned long before.

After all, Wilkinson's character ran a "security" agency and his blokes followed Ewan in the BMW to the ferry and tried to deal with him there, as they had with Mcrea, but he outsmarted them by getting off the ferry.

By the time of the party, we see that Bly has engineered his presence there by inviting him as her special guest---as Ewan points out ghost writers NEVER attend the book party because it's just not done for obvious reasons--the author doesn't want to parade his/her writing inadequacies in public! But Bly got him there anyway.

We now have to wonder which side Bly is on? Is she also in cahoots? We don't know.

So Wilkinson's security firm killers knew Ewan would be at the party and planned to deal with him there as a hit and run.

The fact that he accidentally uncovered the hidden message in the text while at the party did not contribute to his death---he was already marked out for the hit and run death upon leaving the party.

I'm sure Wilkinson's boys took care of that, having failed at the ferry.

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Funny. Even though, if you think about the sequence of events, your scenario has to be true (and is the only that can be, really), I never gave the timing much thought until I read your post.

There are more than a few threads here that trash the film for the specific reason of the "instant hit." Clearly these posters never gave much thought to the sequence of events either.

Anyway, thanks.

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Glad to see I'm not alone! haha

I gave it some thought and especially was focused on how he was not supposed to be at the party normally, but that Bly had arranged it and encouraged him to come. So the key people knew he was coming--easy to set up the kill.

I never trusted Bly. The fly in the ointment of my logic though is that Bly and the wife were enemies weren't they? So the wife couldn't rely on Bly to get The Ghost to the party?

Or was that friction between Bly and the wife just a big cover and all along Bly also was an agent? Could be. If the wife was, then why not make sure his closest PA is too? Makes sense. Both of them having an affair with the PM would make sense too, as Bly would want to get in on pillow talk and have a lot of influence over him to guide him in the direction the wife and Wilkinson's character wanted him to go.

Maybe they were all just an insidious cabal surrounding the poor PM and he never had a chance............

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Maybe they were all just an insidious cabal surrounding the poor PM and he never had a chance............


Here, I disagree with you. I actually consider Kim Cattrall one of the film's high points. Before you go , bear with me.

Roman Polanski is no idiot; Ms. Cattrall may not be Meryl Streep (and thank God for that), but she's no amateur. By having a secretary/squeeze who appears crass and--God forbid!--American , Adam Lang's predilection for down-to-earth American types (and a reciprocal feeling by the Americans never seen in this film, or perhaps in the book) is more than explained.

I think that was the extent of her purpose. She was extremely protective of the manuscript but seemed the ultimate ditz: she did it because she was told to. And when you compare a ditz to a carefully uglied-up Olivia Williams, the tension becomes even more understandable between Lang's British life and his American sympathies. (Think of Lane Pryce on Mad Men, and how different Embetz Davis, his British wife, is from Christina Hendricks).

Anyhoo, that's my two cents. "The Ghost Writer" is my favorite film of the past decade, challenged only by "Michael Clayton." If the house appeared in Clayton, I might give it the nod.

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If Bly was an enemy, why would she "unintentionally" lead the ghost to the code?



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The PA wasn't in on it. Bitch was too far up her own backside and I can't believe for 1 sec that the ex-PM's wife was acting to dislike her.

Too much time had passed for them to kill him at the book launch party... even if they knew he was coming, they'd have killed him off before then.

So either badly thought through or it was an accident IMO.

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No they wouldn’t have killed him bedore then. As Rycart said, ‘they can’t drown two of you, you’re not kittens’

They only resort to murder at the end because they’re now certain he’s going to blow the lid on them.

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What I found interesting was the Amelia knew what was said between the first ghost writer and Rycart as if she was listening on their conversation. It was only after the writer had the conversation that he was killed.

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What annoyed me was the black cab not stopping for him before he was run over, totally unrealistic !

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Just watch the movie again and you can see that the car was waiting there and headlights switched on once he crossed the road. Also Emmet seemed wispering about this arrangement to Ruth and she got convinced and less worried.

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