Man, I'm halfway thru s2 and it is just hard not to compare ED with TM, as I am also binge-watching Orphan Black.
Eliza's different personas arent different enough.
I wouldve loved to have seen Sarah Michelle Geller in this role. she was really good at all the different roles she had to be on Buffy, even making her fake Buffybot just a shade different from the real Buffybot.
I think it was just the personas that were given to her or the direction. We saw in "Who Are You" when Eliza pretends to be Buffy that she can make her roles distinct.
Let's be bad guys.
I wouldnt say she did that good a job. If you watch the episode on mute you can tell Sarah is not Buffy but you cant tell that Eliza is not Faith.
Yes, she did an ok job but if she didnt produce Dolhouse I dont think she could land this lead role through auditions. A lot of her Dollhouse personas were variations of Faith.
but you cant tell that Eliza is not Faith.
I think a lot of people are missing the fact that Caroline's base personality comes through each persona. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems to me the personalities should be different but not too different. Since the idea for the show was originally Eliza Dushku's, I would think she would be aware of that.
Spoiler mask added because you said you hadn't finished. Not that it's much of a spoiler if you're halfway through season 2.
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Aliens? Us? Is this one of your Earth jokes?
I think a lot of people are missing the fact that Caroline's base personality comes through each persona. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems to me the personalities should be different but not too different.Well, no, at no point do they say Caroline is surfacing thru whatever persona she's supposed to be. Near the end of S2 Echo makes a point of saying she needs to meet Caroline- if Caroline was a person she could access then she wouldnt say that.
Since the idea for the show was originally Eliza Dushku's, I would think she would be aware of that.i think trying to figure out the plan for her character from her performance rather than the story has its disadvantages. Take for example, the idea of Ashton Kutcher producing a movie about a computer genius and we were debating the point over what the dialogue indicates and what the audience feels that his performance delivers. It wd be the equivalent of me saying, look the movie says the lead character is a genius and an introvert with poor self confidence and your saying, no he's the producer and he knows what he wanted to do with the character and he meant for the genius to be smiley, confident and walk with an Ashton Kutcher swagger. The idea that Caroline somehow surfaces through the other personas flies in the face of the story as we've been shown. I believe they were meant to be distinctly different but that Eliza could not deliver. share
Well, no, at no point do they say Caroline is surfacing thru whatever persona she's supposed to be. Near the end of S2 Echo makes a point of saying she needs to meet Caroline- if Caroline was a person she could access then she wouldnt say that.That's not what I said. Echo is the base of every personality, including Caroline.
The idea that Caroline somehow surfaces through the other personas flies in the face of the story as we've been shown.Are you sure we're watching the same show? In the Dollhouse I've watched every character goes beyond their parameters because of Echo at their base.
That's not what I said. Echo is the base of every personality, including Caroline.You said,
I think a lot of people are missing the fact that Caroline's base personality comes through each persona.So excuse me if I thought you meant Caroline, since you did not mention Echo.
So excuse me if I thought you meant Caroline, since you did not mention Echo.I did say "Caroline's base personality" instead of "Caroline's personality". My mistake was in assuming you would know the difference.
Do you mean from the very start or after a certain point in the series - but I dont want to have a debate about this with you, because your terms are just too vague for me.I did say, "every character goes beyond their parameters". In the very first episode, Echo's character goes beyond her programming. Mr. Dominic even expresses his concern.
Better yet, Amy acker would have KILLED as echo.
shareI think it is much harder to establish each new personality for an episode. In Orphan Black, the same characters are built up and interact with each other. Maslany is amazing as an actress- but I didn't feel like her characters were instantly amazingly distinct and fleshed out.
shareEliza is not a particularly good actress aside from Faith (her guest stint on Banshee was ridiculous), but I am not sure if Tatiana Maslany would have been much better as Echo. The weekly characters that Eliza was playing in Dollhouse were not fleshed out and distinctive in the same way that Tatiana's characters on Orphan Black were.
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