This is a clear warning of where we are headed now unless we take action and change course with climate change. Greta is right, lots of blah blah and no action from people both on the left and the right.
shareThe comet=The scamdemic or any other nonsense of fear based behavior control.
shareClimate change? Not to me. I saw it as a rip on how corporations and the media control everything and how people are more focused on choosing sides than on specific important issues in general.
sharethe comet can represent anything, but I think you are right, corporations and media control our daily lives and can manipulate people without their knowledge. kids under 25 are pretty much slaves to their phones and social media. the Ariana spoof pretty much proves it.
over 800 people have been killed in Chicago, and there is no outrage and no one cares. yet billions of dollars is being spent on this so called climate change.
What 800 people have been killed?
sharehttps://www.wbez.org/stories/chicago-has-exceeded-800-homicides-in-2021/f5518836-b3a2-490f-8cf3-ca503b6640ba
By Wednesday, 812 people had died by homicide in the city, 5.5% more than last year through that date, according to the records, including decades of data obtained through an open-records request to the office. With two weeks remaining in 2021, the homicide count is already higher than any year since 1996, when there were 856 as the crack epidemic started to lose steam.
Philadelphia Approaching 550 Homicides With 2 Weeks Left In 2021
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2021/12/20/philadelphia-homicides-shootings-larry-krasner-gun-violence/
I think we should defund the police, that will solve the problem.
Just assume I'm not going to look at any of your links.
I understand the issue of inner city violence.
I guess you obsess over it because it is a threat to your life, you have my condolences, but why don't you just move?
Would this work for everyone??
How about the white people joining the BLM marches, apparently people think that it cannot happen to a white individual so why do they even protest since their life is not in danger?
And the black individuals? Why don't just they move to somewhere where it doesn't happen, like Europe.
Problem solved, right?
Luckily I live in a red state and in a red city. less than 50 people are killed per year in my city, but most of them killed are blm supporters. most of the murders and crimes occur in blm occupied territory as well...
you realize I was being facetious right? last year, dems called for defunding the police, now they are reaping what they sow, there are less cops and cops are not going to risk their lives anymore to stop crime.
Philadelphia and Chicago are democrat cities in democrat states. the Mayors of both of those cities are democrat.
there is no outrage, no riots, no blm, no nothing over the senseless deaths 1400 people.
Again you are using your simple-minded logic to try to demonize Democrats and justify Republican leaders using slipshod logic and dishonest framing.
Big cities all over the country, and all over the world have problems for a lot of reasons that go bad far in history.
Grabbing on to that phrase "Defund The Police" when you know no one has proposed that and it has not been done anywhere is just more dishonest tactics from the Right.
Where are there less cops? And why are there less cops if you can find anywhere?
You are a completely dishonest liar out here all day every day passing off this garbage. Why do you do it?
the links I posted are from a local Chicago and Philadelphia news affiliate, how is posting a link demonizing someone? these are the facts presented to you. why am I the villain for posting them? lol
https://nypost.com/2021/12/21/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-wants-federal-help-to-stem-gun-violence/
On Dec. 14, progressive San Francisco Mayor London Breed — who last year pledged to shift $120 million from the city’s law enforcement budget to social spending — reversed course during a speech in which she vowed to end “the reign of criminals who are destroying our city.”
oops at facts...
I post facts and my opinion, thats all I do.
"over 800 people have been killed in Chicago, and there is no outrage and no one cares. yet billions of dollars is being spent on this so called climate change."
EXACTLY!!!!!!
Was interesting that Leo's character fall into the same trap as all the others, buying for a while the corporations/media narrative, showing that we as well are willing to ditch any decency and logic when it suits us ...
shareyou should look deeper ... just two points.
One, yes, Greta is right. She is an amazing kid and I hope she continues to be even more amazing.
Two, it is a false equivalency that the Left and the Right are both stalling action on Climate Change.
Because you might be able to find a few cases of excess, or stupidity, on the Left, it does not equate with the massive global actions and all out propaganda war we see from the Right. Go back to Cigarettes and Seat Belts, there is a massive fully-funded Right-wing Propaganda machine that the Left has nothing like.
Right wing money funds its own opposition, and has reached into the Left ... if we are loose and call the Democrats, the Left, which they are really not, and turned people like Joe Manchin, and due to the inherent values of free speech on the Left in Lefist media the Right actually gets reported on and to express its views, repugnant and full of lies as they are - again there is nothing like that on the Left.
Fun Fact:
the grand canyon was created by erosion and climate change.
Do you know how long ago was that?
How many humans were around?
How many houses, farms, industries were around?
What was there before the Grand Canyon?
Why did it form?
How long did it take to form?
The grand canyon has nothing to do with climate change today.
Do you know how long ago was that?
many many years ago...about five to six million years
How many humans were around?
none
How many houses, farms, industries were around?
none
What was there before the Grand Canyon?
just regular flat ground, maybe a few hills here and there. maybe some mountains that were eroded...
Why did it form?
good question, years and years of erosion by water, watched a special about it once, some theorized there was a massive lake north of the grand canyon that was blocked by an ice dam. the ice dam melted and released millions of metric tons of water, more than likely this process continued over 1000's or millions of years.
How long did it take to form?
probably took millions of years
The grand canyon has nothing to do with climate change today.
While this is true, today we blame any weather phenomenon on climate change. if it rains too much, climate change, if it doesnt rain, climate change.
If humans were around during the formation of the Grand Canyon, it would be quickly prevented, because erosion is bad and needs to be stopped.
If we dont get perfect weather everyday, than everyone blames climate change. We have only had the technology to accurately track weather for about 40 or 50 years.
Here is a weather forecast from 1952.
https://youtu.be/XiAyWYCcAI0?t=33
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/hasnt-earth-warmed-and-cooled-naturally-throughout-history
Yes. Earth has experienced cold periods (or “ice ages”) and warm periods (“interglacials”) on roughly 100,000-year cycles for at least the last 1 million years. The last of these ices ended around 20,000 years ago.
The Earth started warming about 20,000 years ago. And if the glacier covering North America had never melted than there would be no America today.
First, you are obviously fast-Googling it.
https://knowablemagazine.org/article/physical-world/2019/deeper-understanding-grand-canyon
The Grand Canyon is made from sedimentary rock.
Meaning there was a huge sea above it for millions
of years depositing the dead bodies of plant and animal
life and building layers of sediment.
When sea level fell that ocean began to drain out and
the American continent was uncovered. But since it
took geological time to happen, and people were not
around or interfering with nature - that is all moot.
To say that was caused by climate change and then try
to equate that to what is happening today is ..... well,
it's just the kind of thing you Conservatives are known
for now, lack of critical thinking, any kind of understanding
of the scientific method and lying in public as if you know
something.
so the climate changing did not cause the grand canyon to form?
why did the sea level fall? was that climate change?
you asked the questions so I answered them, why are you upset that I used the internet? lol
I think what you trying to say is that climate change just started recently?
The government says you are wrong. We are taught from a young age to always believe the Government.
https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/nature/grca-geology.htm
The Colorado River has been carving away rock for the past five to six million years. Remember, the oldest rocks in Grand Canyon are 1.8 billion years old.
The canyon is much younger than the rocks through which it winds. Even the youngest rock layer, the Kaibab Formation, is 270 million years old, many years older than the canyon itself.
Geologists call the process of canyon formation downcutting. Downcutting occurs as a river carves out a canyon or valley, cutting down into the earth and eroding away rock.
Downcutting happens during flooding. When large amounts of water are moved through a river channel, large rocks and boulders are carried too. These rocks act like chisels, chipping off pieces of the riverbed as they bounce along.
> why are you upset that I used the internet? lol
I am upset that you are so ignorant and have to. The Internet is a great resource, as long as you stay away from Right-Wing nut websites.
I read all about this decades ago. That's how I know that anything you try to say about climate change is BS.
And that's about all the time I have for you.
I am not Sheldon. even you had to look up information on the internet and how is youtube and a .Gov site right wing nut websites?
I saw the ice dam theory on OETA, I guess thats a right wing website too?
ok broham, talk to you later...
You're debating the equivalent of a crazy bible thumper. The climate crazies are the flipside of a zealotry coin.
shareOh, just assume that I will never need to look at any links you post.
shareOf course, because the links from my internet are false while the links from your internet are correct.
did u see that forecast from 1952? it literally got phoned in....lol
> because the links from my internet are false while the links from your internet are correct.
Again you are telling me what I meant and you are wrong - thats zero batting average. What is wrong with you?
I don't need to look at your links.
I just have many times better judgement than you at determining good sources of information. One reason is the links you often post to Right-wing nut sites. The other reason is that your judgement is bad because you seem to accept all these Right-wing talking points and then pass on their lies, and you never get wise to it.
It's not my links are better than yours, it just turns out that way.
Again, no more time for you.
How is a .Gov website a right wing nut site? lol both of the links I posted are from the federal government, your democrat dementia patient is president now, and the dems control the House.
you are weird today dude...go play some video games or something and relax.
Learn to comprehend the English language ... I did not say your every link was a right-wing-nut site. ( often )
And you get so worked up and insulting and then call me weird. Funny.
"The Internet is a great resource, as long as you stay away from Right-Wing nut websites."
brobeans, I posted a link to youtube and a government website, lolz
you do realize that you posted about climate change? the water receding caused the grand canyon to form, why did it recede? why was their an ocean in the middle of North America? uhhh climate change bruh. lol
It doesn't matter, it took hundreds of thousands of years, humanity was not there or technologically dependent on global weather stability, and the animals and species that were were not depended on by man, and could migrate and evolve over that time.
I can't believe you're so insistent with your ignorance that you keep on arguing.
yeah, thats called climate change and there was no interference from humans.
ok, so if We are causing climate change now. Whats the plan? How are we going to get 8 billion people to cooperate?
That's a little like asking what can I do about my smoking now that I have lung cancer? Every year we waited made the costs and sacrifices necessary worse, more intrusive, and more expensive, to the point that now it's a big ask - especially for super rich people because they use thousands of times more CO2 than the average Earthling. Any ideas?
sharetotally agree...people have been complaining of global warming/climate change since the infamous Al Gore movie. we just keep complaining but nothing has been done since 2006.
as for the super rich, agree as well, most have multiple houses, cars, planes and travel all the time.
side fun fact: there are at least 100,000 planes and helicopters circling the globe every day, all are releasing jet exhaust into the atmosphere at 30,000 feet.
my idea? its extreme...we would have to go back to pre-industrial times. but no one is going to give up their phones or easy lifestyle. people are so lazy these days they can have fast food delivered to their house. I see fat people riding on scooters at the store. One day I saw a mom and daughter riding around on scooters. It was sad to see. my friends brother is so obese that he had to get a handicap placard. that was a side rant, sorry.
but anyways, governments and Countries will just keep saying they are trying to stop climate change but in fact will do nothing.
> we would have to go back to pre-industrial times.
A lot of people think that. Ever heard of Derrick Jenson?
I think not only do we need technology/industry, but it is more desirable to have it than not, and I don't think the problem is industry, the problem is us, competition breeds greed, so we must change the incentives of the global society because that is totally what success has meant for thousands of years - basically war, total waste of lives and resources.
1) We must manage it better. Industrial processes must be completely isolated from the Earth's biosphere, and
2) I think it was the late E.O. Wilson that said that human's must withdraw and leave half the Earth to nature.
I think E.O. Wilson was being too conservative, humans should live and use just 10% of the Earth's surface ( in order for the Earth to recover), and since most of what we know and learn comes from nature we should be out in nature or at least have the option to be out in nature most of the time, and most jobs should be studying nature and human behavior - but totally in the open and transparently.
More speculative ideas on my own part ( I've never heard anyone else suggest such drastic measures ) but competition and race and cultural differences are a big part, maybe the majority of the issue, so if it were up to me and I had the power, I would limit everyone to having 1 child; and while I think mothers, fathers and relatives in good standing ( i.e not criminals ) should always have the right to family relationships, children should be raised communally with expert guidance and be able to vote at a very young age ... maybe 12. I haven't thought it all out, but something has to break the Mafia attitude of some oligarch families, and all children must be exposed to other children and people of different cultures until there is a global resolution of sorts in tolerance and understanding.
I think what he really means is that climate changes have happened and will happen without the help of humans.
And that we do not know exactly how big is the human contribution to it.
My problem is different: even if the humans have 100% contribution on what happens right now still we are fucked, there is NO way for us to stop it or even minimize it in a meaningful way ... or as in the movie there will be people that will try and cash on it - on both sides, and that makes it even more hard to see what's the truth ...
I think what he really means is that climate changes have happened and will happen without the help of humans.
thats what I am saying, not sure what Brux is saying.
he just likes to argue and say I am a right wing nut all the time, but anyways...like you said, how do we separate what is natural warming and human caused?
like the plot of the movie, corporations and governments will find a way to exploit it until its too late...
No. Not even the most fanatical extinction rebellion beleivers claim that AGW would kill all life on Earth.
shareI want super unexpected climate change ala "the day after tomorrow" style. Huge ocean storms and hurricanes followed by 2723 feet high tsunamis that will wash away most of the land and cause the planet to go into a rapid ice age killing 99% of vegetation and livestock. RIP humans. Fuck them all I say. More fun for me!
shareThe comet = science and facts in general. Covid, vaccines, climate change, voting machines, mass shootings, etc, etc
shareI agree, we should somehow pay more money for stuff to fix it.
share"The comet = climate change"
If that were true then nothing significant would have happened at the end of the movie. They've been talking about "climate change" since at least the 1970s, and some 50 years later what has happened, other than the world's population more than doubling since then? You see, at the end of this movie, the world's population didn't double (which would obviously indicate that life is thriving), nor did it even increase at all. Instead, it went from ~7.9 billion to zero.