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‘Superman & Lois’ OWNS the Snyderverse!

posted 4 years ago by ReelReviews14 (1220)
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Just got done watching episode 2 of Superman & Lois. I missed it when it originally aired on TV, but thankfully, its available to stream on the CW's website for FREE (yes, take notes, Disney+, HBO Max, Hulu, CBS All Access/Paramount+, etc. These guys are giving it away for FREE -- and NOT for $5.99 a month!)

On a side note… When I first heard about that TV series, I was dead set AGAINST "yet another Superman reboot telling the same story we've seen a zillion times before". The title itself sounded like they weren't even trying. Didn't they ALREADY make that in the 90s? When it was called Lois & Clark, and starred Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher in a "modernized" Superman TV series told from the POV of Lois Lane at The Daily Planet?

Then I saw the trailer for this new show. One word: WOW.

They NAILED it. It immediately reversed my position on this TV series 180o degrees. I haven't seen a "retelling" of Superman's origins THIS good since the Christopher Reeve films of the late 70s/early 80s. All the actors were pitch perfect and faithful to the source material and we FINALLY have a FUN, uplifting, inspirational Superman -- something even the 2006 "Superman Returns" film-- a "loose sequel" to the Donner films -- totally missed the boat on. We also FINALLY got a decent Lois Lane, after BOTH Bryan Singer (with Kate Botsworth as Lois) and Zack Synder (with Amy Adams as Lois) completely screwed up and their Superman/Lois pairings had ZERO chemistry. The playful Superman/Lois first meeting here was something I hadn’t seen since the Christopher Reeve days. All they needed was the iconic John Williams theme, and my heart will melt.

I was utterly STUNNED -- especially since this is another "superhero" show on the CW, the SJW infested, teen angsty drama themed network. Have you seen their OTHER “superhero” shows? 90% of what they churn out is ‘woke’ trash, so I was certain this would be, too. I was honestly prepared to hate it, but the trailer totally piqued my interest for the show. I can't think of the last time a freakin' TRAILER completely reversed my position on something.

Having previously shown ZERO interest in the show (and rolling my eyes at the very mention of it), I didn’t have any “spoilers” going in, and the first episode kept on throwing cool little surprises at me: Superman & Lois are married and have two teenage sons. Martha Kent (who was also perfectly cast) dies suddenly in the pilot. Superman & Lois leave Metropolis and move back to Smallville. And we have a “Luthor” in the show, but it’s NOT the prime universe ruthless businessman Lex Luthor from Earth, but a mysterious “Captain Luthor” from another planet or parallel universe, or the far future or something. The little tease definitely got me curious how it will play out.

And now, with two episodes in, I’m very glad I stuck with it! I can't believe I'm endorsing something that airs on the CW! I haven't felt this happy since 2017 when seeing the first few episodes of The Orville for the first time on Fox. It was SO refreshing in comparison to what kind of Star Trek we had gotten lately, and THIS is so refreshing compared to the kind of garbage DC comic book movies we've gotten lately (Batman vs. Superman, Wonder Woman 1984, Birds of Prey, etc.)

I will take THIS show over "the Snyder cut" any day. The "fans" who support that crap can have their dark, depressing, nihilistic, ultra-violent "modern" Superman and Jesse Eisenberg's faux Lex Luthor. They certainly do not speak for the REST of us when they claim that's what "the fans" want.

Have fun paying $$$ to HBO Max for MORE of Zack Snyder & David S. Goyer’s godawful, Razzie-award winning Pseudoman. I will be enjoying my FAR superior SUPERMAN for FREE on the CW!

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 years ago

PERFECTION: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekwA6wUU8KY

[–] johnmiller (3940) 4 years ago

Indeed! A family drama is WAY better than a superhero movie. :-)

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 years ago

Yup, HACK Snyder and Hack Goyer should be locked in a room for days and forced to watch scenes from Superman & Lois and scenes from Donner's first two films endlessly on a loop for hours, until they GET it thru their thick skulls that Superman and Lois are SUPPOSED to have chemistry together, and Superman is SUPPOSED to be lovable and charming.

I remember the deranged MOS fanboys sneering about how Superman "never threw a punch" in Superman Returns. He "never threw a punch" in Richard Donner's original 1978 Superman movie either, nor did he in the pilot for Superman & Lois (though to be fair, he did ATTEMPT to punch Captain Luthor in ONE scene). Superman is not about beating people up and breaking things.

ACTION hero, yes. Mass murderer, no.

[–] johnmiller (3940) 4 years ago

To me, Donner and Chris Reeve got it right in the first movie. The second movie didn't work for me nearly as well. And, since then, who to me is easily the most interesting superhero there is, has been not used well at all.

[–] R_Kane (15828) 4 years ago

Well, face it: there’s never going to be another Christopher Reeve. He’s easily the best actor who’s played the role. He has THE LOOK; no one else is even in SECOND place. Ih his last days he showed us all that he had THE STUFF of Superman. He was the complete package.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Enjoy the first season. Chances are the second one will be woke.

When they're losing audience, they hold the amount of politics. Once the viewers are caught in the story, they go back to push woke politics down the throat.

One bright side is that the first season will be probably good. I hope it holds for the whole season, but I don't think it'll hold longer than that without getting woke.

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 years ago

>> Enjoy the first season. Chances are the second one will be woke.
One bright side is that the first season will be probably good. <<

I'm not gonna defend the CW. I've seen numerous reviews on YouTube that are in the same boat as myself: they don't watch any of the other CW "superhero" shows, don't like them, and ASSUMED this would have been "woke" trash, but its awesome. It has the same actor as Superman from the "Supergirl" TV series, but it is totally different and 10X better.

Even if you guys sneering at it and assuming it will "go woke" after a single season are correct, it would STILL be a vast improvement over the Snyderverse, since THAT version of Superman was worthless garbage from the START. Worse, Snyder has been "in charge" of THREE big budget films with Superman thus far, and he has YET to deliver one that is even COMPETENTLY written, let alone a legit good superhero film on its own merits (yet letting him re-edit his rushed sequel to Batfleck v. Pseudoman so its four hours long will somehow magically make it good). At least you can say this show NAILED it from the start.

But I haven't seen the "release the Snyder cut" crowd even willing to acknowledge that fact, so I guess the fact a CW TV show gave us a better Superman than a big budget tentpole "event" movie is too painful for them to accept.

Well, they can enjoy their Pseudoman portrayed by Henry Cavill. If they want to throw money at HBO Max for more of Synder's trash, more the power to them. If THIS show "goes woke", I will simply stop watching, but unlike them, I won't have wasted ANY $$$ on it.

[–] horrorfan000 (2317) 4 years ago

I really hope your wrong but given it's connection with the other DC shows the preachy wokeness will most likely seep in at some point.The OP is right though.The DC film franchise should feel embarrassed that a show on a smaller tv budget did vastly better than they could do on a major film studio budget.They should watch this and take notes.

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 years ago

>> They should watch this and take notes. <<

EXACTLY my point. Nolan, Snyder, and Goyer should be locked in a room and forced to watch this on a loop for hours until they get it thru their thick skulls that THIS is how Superman and Lois Lane are SUPPOSED to be portrayed and "what the fans want", NOT a rarely speaking, mass murdering handsome beefcake with the personality of a plank of plywood and ZERO chemistry with Miss Lane.

And to be perfectly fair, Bryan Singer totally missed the mark in 2006 as well, his Superman was ALSO way too dour, serious, and grim.

I wonder if the Snydernites will ever stop with their lying and history revisionism claiming what the fans "wanted" was tons of people being killed and mass destruction, instead of a likeable and inspiring Superman.

[–] Forky (1739) 4 years ago

lol, no

[–] Nate Adams SA23 (902) 4 years ago

Good review. So far so good and hoping it stays that way. I was hopeful of Supergirl too and look how quickly that turned crap.

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 years ago

The Supergirl pilot was merely "ok". It was not "WOW, they NAILED this character within the first 3 minutes" like Superman & Lois was.

[–] Nate Adams SA23 (902) 4 years ago

I agree but I had hope I guess. As with much of the Arrowverse though my hopes were quickly dashed

[–] bond998 (1213) 4 years ago

So what your saying is one mediocre thing is better than some other mediocre thing. Total Win for sure.

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 years ago

Ummm no. Phrases like "They NAILED it" and "PERFECTION" and "Episode 2 was AWESOME" were not arguments that it is a "mediocre thing".

[–] asom (6867) 4 years ago

how come you missed the teen drama? it's such a big part of the show ...

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 years ago

Eh, its in there, I can handle it. I'll take angsty teen drama over Man of Steel's endless CGI destruction porn any day.

[–] asom (6867) 4 years ago

Matter of taste. I would rather take action over useless drama ... actually i would take anything over useless whiny drama.

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 years ago

They should air Superman & Lois in the same time slot as "the Snyder cut" and see who pulls in bigger audiences. I DARE THEM. Not to mention the fact you have to PAY tons of $$$ for the "privilege" of streaming four hours of Hack Snyder's trash on HBO Max, while you can stream the first four episodes of Superman and Lois for FREE on the CW's website!