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Real flaw of this movie (and some other 'curse' movies)

posted 17 years ago by last-c
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OK, i must say this movie is terrible except for a few details, but it's not the ending or "false advertising" that bothers me the most. It's the way this entire "curse thing" works. Allow me to explain;

1. You do wrong to an individual..
2. You curse that individual..
3. He comes back for revenge..
4. He kills many innocent people in the course of chasing you.
5. He does many wrongs to lots and lots of people.

This flaw is pretty much the same as in asian horror-ghost flicks. Someone who was treated in an unfair manner behaves the same way and unjustly kills countless people. So shouldn't each and every one of those innocent people return the same way to avenge their deaths?

The Ring, for instance. That girl was killed, yeah that's terrible, but what about all those she killed? They should also return as all-powerful supernatural beings who can do whatever they want and can never be stopped, and they should kick her ghost @ss back to that well she came from..!

So it's not this films fault, but it just stood out a little too much for me here.

PS. I just thought of another item..

6. Anyone can curse someone else to ruin the lives of countless other people.

If this item were true, entire humanity would be strolling around drooling, and coming out of TV's and trying to scare the *beep* out of others, who themselves just came out of other TV's or something.

How many of you believe in telekinesis? Raise my hands.

[–] bigwillystyles23 17 years ago

Interesting idea and I agree that it's a fault with a lot of horror films.

In the case of Rise of the Dead, I'd have to disagree. Not because I made the film, but because of the logic of the ghost.

In every killing in the movie, I tried to make it apparent that the person dying is an individual who has somehow wronged the baby. Laura's roommate Amber carried the baby away from it's mother, Rick the ex-boyfriend who never lived up to his responsibilities of as a father, the foster parents who let it get the gun, the foster parents who cursed it in the first place. They all had their own sin and they all did something against the baby either before it was born or after. An argument could also be made that the death of Greer is because he didn't belief and thus angered the child. The only person who died and didn't wrong the baby is Laura's mother, in which the baby kills her to get out and take over Laura's boyfriend, Jack.

So in that case, each and every death in the film is justified and does make sense. Maybe it didn't add up for audiences, but that's what I was thinking when making it.

I know I'm not going to convince many and even this logic in cases might called questionable. At least we had something behind what we were trying to do instead of just scaring the pants off of people without making any sense at all.

Cheers,
Will Wedig

[–] last-c 17 years ago

Thanks for the well-rounded reply..

I think there was also that cocky police officer, and possibly that naked girl with the axe, but i see your point. Still, it is hard for me to justify the killings of all those individuals. But it's a ghost-baby we're talking about after all! And babies are obstinate when it comes to their needs, in this case, care and attention of their mothers..

How many of you believe in telekinesis? Raise my hands.

[–] bigwillystyles23 17 years ago

Also the thing is really damn pissed off. So you know, it tends to do such things.

BTW, the girl with the ax never did get killed. She killed the bastard father of the baby which is acceptable I think..

I mean, "You should have aborted that thing when you had the chance." Come on, dude. That's just mean.

Cheers,
Will

[–] last-c 17 years ago

Off-topic, but doesn't he have to kill off the body he possessed to switch to another one? Maybe i mistook the "rules", that's why i thought the naked girl died - she had to commit suicide to set the ghost free for another possession. Nah, nevermind..

You know, under certain circumstances, it's quite possible that anyone can kill another.

How many of you believe in telekinesis? Raise my hands.

[–] avnrulz 12 years ago

No, he did not have to kill the occupied body to move to another body (witness the foster mom who killed the foster dad).

OMG! (it's not what you think)

[–] Lawdog1527 12 years ago

Just FYI, in The Ring Samura doesn't kill out of revenge, but because of the fact she's inherently evil. She brought her curse to the world before she was killed, that's why her mother strangled her and chucked her down a well. Her spirit just used Rachel's sympathies about the abuse to lure her into making more tapes.

And as to #6, in the Ringu novels that's exactly what starts to happen and was the end goal of Samura.