How dumb can they be?


First thought that came up for me was if they didn't want to kill the herders, then just march them along with them till the top of the mountain when their extraction was guaranteed before freeing them. Geeze, talk about inability to think out of the box.

Also, what's with the Rambo body count? In the real battle apparently it was less than 20 Taliban that ambushed them. Seems like they upped the body count just to make this failed mission look more heroic and less of a massive fail.

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I was thinking the same, just take them with you for *beep* sake

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Me too.

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Liked the movie overall and it was still emotionally affecting, but Peter Berg definitely hammed it up with that body count, the action sequences and that made-up ending.

See you in hell, candy boys!

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Yes they were incredibly dumb. They made a stupid decision with the goat herders which caused the whole thing, and they also were terrible in the firefight. Zero tactics, panicking like idiots the whole time, screaming, arguing, absolutely terrible. American soldiers have a bad reputation and this more or less confirms it. They are so brave, but just such idiots.

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was thinking the same thing as well when i viewed this movie the first time. then, seeing it on hbo in rerun it really started to piss me off, cause aren't these guys suppose to be the, corn of the poop(creme of the crop). how could they not think of this very obvious solution to their dilemma. it made me so confused that i checked out the book from the bribary to see what really went down(or what this Marcus Luttrell dude claims went down). and let me tell you, the books turn of events is even more moronic. unlike the film, the book explains that they just released the shepherds to their own recognizance, no kid escaped and parkdorked down the mountain, they just let them go and watched them leave with their telescopes. so if i was them i would have gotten the *beep* out of dodge after letting these guys go. but no, these tools just moved to another spot and thought they could continue on with the mission. i think they even had a couple of hours in this new spot, not far from where the shepherds incident occurred, until they realized the enemy was surrounding them. now i love this land and i hate saying anything bad about this great country or compatriots, but for *beep* sakes, why didn't you abort the mission once it was compromised u freaking brainwashed cogs. and all through the book Luttrell is touting how sharp and smart he and his fellow warriors are. no offense but, not that freaking good at problem solving ya ask me

Maybe I should get, get me, find me a script with a retarded slave then I get me the oscar.

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why didn't you abort the mission once it was compromised u freaking brainwashed cogs.


How exactly does a small recon team in 'indian territory' in the mountains 'abort' their mission?





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I'm not trained or knowledgeable in the art of elite soldiering, so I don't know what I say is plausible or even possible. If was able to think coherently and with sound and mind, make rational decisions in a situation that these great brothers of the united Stares were faced. My proposal 2 "How exactly does a small recon team in 'indian territory' in the mountains 'abort' their mission?", would be this.
Use the information I had at my disposal of the surrounding environment, decide on a route to, while retaining the high ground and not coming in contact with indians known to reside in the local vicinity, formulate a route to get to a spot that can be safely used as a extraction point. Or, to try to locate a spot that would assist in the concealment of myself, while retaining the best defensive position if enemy contact is established, in a attempt to, let things cool off until a less possible time of being revealed to the enemy has occurred.
I'm pretty drunk right now answering this, getting drunker by the letters i type so i'm gonna try to put this in a way my 15 year old self would understand. I would play ditch'em in the mountains until i was comfortable to call in reinforcements. To assist in me getting back to base.
I feel like these guys were made to believe, while they themselves also perpetuated the idea, to be so cock sure of their abilities that they could just do what they were gonna do and they didn't need to worry bout hiding in a game of hide and seek cause they are better then that.
Let me also make clear, if i haven't already, that i mourn the loss and appreciate what these warriors are doing and giving for the level of quality of lifestyle they have giving to me. I just wish that they could have looked at all their possibilities of action before assuming they only had two to choose from.
I know not what i say.

Maybe I should get, get me, find me a script with a retarded slave then I get me the oscar.

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Fair enough but they're in the mountains which cause coms problems at the best of times--a fast climb to the summit probably ain't in the cards if it's too late in the day & if the badguys have been informed of their presence. Not to mention if you're gonna get extracted, you need an area for a chopper to land and/or hover without coming under fire. And of course, I have no idea how far the base is from their position and even if they can be reached in a timely manner before the hostile militia gets close enough to attack them.






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Since the old man had a radio and the middle one was clearly Tally allied, the Tallies would have gotten suspicious if they'd been gone too long. There's no way they slipped out of the village with 20 bell-ringing goats unnoticed.

"Is it okay if we take our goats up the mountain a bit?" "Sure just don't be gone past sundown or we'll come looking for ya."

They banked on a return of given mercy, (the old man says something like "we won't forget this kindness" as he's about to leave) and they lost the bet thanks to junior Tallyman, but if they'd taken them along, they'd have been A. slower going, B. having to deal with the one guy running off all the time and C. would have drawn the Tallies up there anyway.

That being said, yeah the SEALs as portrayed in this movie were pretty dumb, I mean for me the whole jumping down a mountain THE SECOND TIME after the first time was a COMPLETE DISASTER is where the movie completely jumped the shark (even if that's how it happened).

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The old man didn't say "we won't forget this kindness" just before the goatherds were let go. He said (roughly translated by Afghan translators while writing the script) "In the morning you will wake up separated from all your blood" which is described as 'the most serious, dangerous threat that can be said in Pashto'.

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am female and senior citizen too, but my thought as they were discussing what to do with herders was take them with you for safe extraction. The didn't and I thought...well that's dumb!
But am riveted because Wahlberg is well Wahlberg.

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What would they have done with all those goats?

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