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underwear? (spoilers, question about ending)


This is going to be a horrible question, but I'm dying to know if anybody else was bothered by this detail. Considering how utterly horrible the killer proves himself to be, I just don't see any reason at all why he would strip Amy down to her underwear but then stop there. Am I missing something?

I know that, from a realistic perspective, actresses have nudity clauses (although I know they got older actresses to play those parts, and it's not like they were counting on A-list celebs in those roles), and there's probably a very real fear of crossing the line into making those gruesome scenes titillating by including nudity - but aren't girls in underwear sexy, too? And anyway, isn't the whole point that what's going on is so horrific that no reasonable person would be turned on by it anyway? I mean, it's like during the rape scene. It's simulated sex (well, if you consider rape a form of sex), but it isn't the least bit stimulating because it's just so horrible.

So I'm just curious, why would he even bother to leave her underwear on? He obviously wanted to humiliate her, and make her uncomfortable, and he obviously wasn't swayed by mainstream opinions of what is 'right' and 'proper', so, simply put, what gives? I mean, like, it's weird - I know decent people are scared of nudity, but when even a pure evil, cold-blooded killer, who doesn't think twice about nasty deeds like rape, torture (of both the physical and psychological variety), and murder, is himself too embarrassed to strip his victims all the way nude - what does that say about the way we're characterizing nudity? That it's worse than rape? Worse than torture? Worse than death?

And I'll grant you that violence is easier to 'fake' than nudity - but that has to be the case because violence is painful. What's the big deal about somebody seeing your naked body? Especially if you're an actress - and if ever a role called for reasonable and non-gratuitous nudity (at least to the extent that the whole scene is kind of gratuitous and that's the point), this is one. I'm sorry, but a detail like this really stands out to me as being unrealistic and reflective not of reality but of the media-generated fear of exposure.

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Well, the film already went further than most American films even think of going, with the 5 minute rape scene and all. I figured Michael Goi probably felt having them completely nude would've come off as cheap exploitation horror (seeing as people already think this was exploitation just for the last 20 minutes WITHOUT nudy) and wanted to avoid that.

Either way, I do see what you meant. Perhaps "Josh" was a prude who hated nudity. (Sorry, lame joke.)

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I'm glad to hear I'm not completely bonkers for thinking that. Yeah, I'm not saying it's any surprise the director wanted to play it "safe" on this one point, but it definitely stands out. It's like: "violence taboo? busted. Rape taboo? no problem. Nudity taboo? eh, let's back off on that one." Which just seems silly to me, because it's like people are more afraid of naked bodies than they are of far more traumatizing subject matter. And what's even more ironic is that people will be like, "go ahead, let's put sex in this movie, but only so long as there's no nudity," because the actual fact of people's naked bodies is, like, scarier than anything people might do with them.

If anything, I'd support the decision NOT to mix nudity in with the themes of a movie like this one, which hinge on rape and violence and, basically, truly horrible stuff. I'd prefer nudity to be presented in much nicer contexts, if just to cleanse people's image of casual exposure as a naughty thing. But the fact is that nudity is a neutral state for mankind. Everybody's got a naked body. To say that it can only be used for good purposes or only for bad purposes is to try to impose control on it that you just don't have. So, ideally, I opt for a more realistic approach towards nudity. Which means not flinching when the script reasonably calls for it. Cause when you do, it really seems to contribute to a cultural anxiety around naked bodies that I hardly see as healthy.

But, yeah, that's actually what I love about exploitation cinema - it doesn't give a *beep* about 'the rules', or trying to please oversensitive busybodies.

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Well since the actor was protraying a 13yo girl.. :D So shoving a totally nude body of what shuold be a 13yo girl would be too much. Realistic yes, i wondered the same thing why he left the underwear on. But it would have been too much.

That, or then he wanted to hide that her body was way more evolved than 13yo, and it would have showed more clearly totally naked.

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Both plausible explanations. Although not entirely justifiable. In the second case, she was already pretty well stripped, so it's not like there was much actually hidden, except from a modesty standpoint. And purely for argument, it's not like there aren't 13 year old girls that haven't already undergone a certain amount of development, so I just don't see that as being a good enough excuse.

I think your first suggestion is more likely, although it sort of highlights the nudity taboo and how ridiculous it is. Isn't it great that we can put actresses on camera to depict the rape, torture, and murder of 13 year olds, and that's acceptable, but exposing their nude bodies is out of the question?

You're right in that it can be seen as being just one straw too many (despite this being a movie whose very modus operandi seems to be to go too far), in a story where the torture is pivotal to the plot but the nudity isn't, necessarily (apart from the believability issue), but then again, that kinda puts undue importance on the nudity itself, which again, feeds into the taboo. There is something powerful and scary about people's natural, exposed states, that is somehow able to spook even people who aren't deterred by the challenge of depicting the horrific rape/murder of adolescents. If you ask me, that's frighteningly backwards.

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I think you are right but then again some creeps get off on girls wearing childish underwear with little dolls and flowers on it.. so maybe those loose teen panties and bra did something to him.. I really don't know..

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lol, now that's a possible explanation that could actually make sense.

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I think the rape scene was about power. I don't think he was too concerned about nudity, rather just dominating them.

I also think this is the case because Megan told Amy about the power she felt when being with guys.

Very sickening, but should be seen by all teenagers. Unfortunately the world we live in is very dangerous...

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it was ego and wanting sex because thats all guys want right


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@MarilynManson_kissed_Me: Oh my god... You've got to be kidding me. This has got to be one of the most ignorant comments I've ever seen. Rape has nothing to do with wanting sex, you moron. And to stick "that's what all guys want" at the end... Oh lord you need to think before you say things.

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"@MarilynManson_kissed_Me: Oh my god... You've got to be kidding me. This has got to be one of the most ignorant comments I've ever seen. Rape has nothing to do with wanting sex, you moron. And to stick "that's what all guys want" at the end... Oh lord you need to think before you say things." <---It is partly. The power is a turn on.

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To the OP, I thought the exact same thing. Sorry, but if it were a "REAL" picture of her being tortured in that table, she would have had NOTHING on. This was a 21 year old actress who played the role of a 14 year old girl and the U.S.A. isn't liberal enough to actually show down below. They creatively and legally, don't have the rights to do so. In Europe, it would be a different story. Anyways, yeah, it was not very realistic AT ALL.

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I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure they did have the creative and legal rights to show "down below". What they didn't have was the balls. On the other hand, the power the ratings board wields would have doomed the film to obscurity if it dared to show that kind of nudity (especially given the context). But on the first hand, was this movie ever expecting a mainstream audience? I doubt it. They should have gone for it.

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"I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure they did have the creative and legal rights to show "down below"." <---'Cause it's a movie. I'm sure you can find this fun in other movies.

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exactly. I mean what kind of audience were they expecting when making this small movie anyway? so, what difference would it have made if it got an NC-17 or Unrated rating?

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Are you saying that because the CHARACTER is 14, we can't see her cooch? Not the actress, but the character? I need to learn more about the ratings board....

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Yep, that's the American rating system for you. See the documentary "This FIlm Has Not Yet Been Rated".

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yeah not so sure about that. watch Kids and tell me that blonde at the beginning is supposed to be any older than 15.

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Argh, Kids. What a nightmare for a parent to watch.

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what was so disturbing about the picture of megan from the fetish website that has her look like she is screaming and that looks like her head is cut off?

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What are you talking about? I will never, ever get the image out of my head. REALLY messed me up.

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i'm not doubting you about it being disturbing, i'm asking you why it was so disturbing? and if you saw it online without seeing it while watching this movie would it be as disturbing to someone?

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Well, I'm not the type that looks for that kind of thing. BDSM isn't my fantasy. But if I somehow stumbled across it, it would horrify me.

It bothers me because I have a teenage daughter around that same age (a little older). Of course, I had her watch this. The scene where he buries the girl alive while she begs to be let go was so horrifying to me that I skipped it. I'm pretty confident that I will never watch this again, though I thought it was a great effort.

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no, I was asking you why was the picture disturbing to you? and if you saw it online instead of while watching it in the movie would it of been as disturbing?

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YES. She looks terrified. If it was a straight up BDSM picture (consensual) I would have yawned.

Why, what are you getting at?

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I'm asking this because I saw it and I'd like to find a reason of how I can forget about it. and also I'd like to know if seeing it in the context of the movie is more disturbing than seeing it online?

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Yeah, I think it is more disturbing in the movie context. You don't just stumble across pics like that unless you're looking.

How to forget about it? Well, try "it's just a movie."

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oh, so you're saying the way you were completely blind sided by it in the movie was harrowing, raw, and disturbing? even though you knew something really disturbing was coming up because of the written words saying what you are about to see Is video from Amy's camera that has been unedited and unaltered you still don't ever put your mind there with an image that fuc#ed up? also another way to get over it is to face your fear and look at it again. I've found that to be true. because with images that scare or disturb you there is sometimes an element of mystery as to what is so disturbing or scary about the image. so if you face your fear and look at the image again you can then take away the mystery of what makes the image disturbing or scary after you have gotten over the initial fear of seeing the image. when you first are scared or disturbed by an image you don't have the ability to analyze what makes the image disturbing because you are scared and disturbed. I'm over the disturbing image now.

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so it's ok to show a woman brutalized, raped, and killed but not show her nude while getting raped??? ok. how dumb and mixed up is that? how is it somehow going too far showing her nude while getting raped but they can show everything else that they show in this movie? don't you think it's worse to show her getting raped and tortured than just showing her nude body? and don't you think it's more disturbing showing her get raped and tortured than it is showing her nude?

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to have her stripped down like that psychologically messes with her, probably giving her a feeling of helplessness.

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Absolutely. But the question isn't why was she stripped to her underwear, but why wasn't she stripped all the way nude?

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I hate saying this because it is disgusting, but maybe he wanted her, umm... private parts to be clean for when he wanted to have sex and rape her. I don't know, just a thought...

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IMO he wanted to make her feel helpess, and uneasy. She was stripped down to her underwear, leaves her wondering is he going to remove her underwear, but even though he didn't likely she's creepd out that a predator sees her in her underwear.

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I think it was part intimidation by the character of Josh, as another poster mentioned, and partly a precaution on the part of the director/filmmaker.
Someone mentioned a ratings issue, and that was my impression too.
That the director may have been risking an UR or even an X.
The MPAA is often more concerned with nudity than graphic violence, which never made much sense to me.


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For me it was more aesthetically effective (if those are the right words) for her to be wearing underwear, and even that particular type of underwear, because it made her look even younger and more vulnerable; it made me feel even more terror and pity for her, as did the teddy bear.

Ugh, god, why am I even posting about this movie. It was devastating.



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I thought the actresses WERE really that young, but if they were over 18 the OP has a point. Strangely, the US seems to have a taboo about 18+ actresses appearing nude if they play underage CHARACTERS. But if FICTIONAL "underage" nudity is taboo, you'd think all the other FICTIONAL stuff that goes on in this movie would be taboo as well.

If the real actresses were that young (they looked it), I could definitely understand this. Actual underage nudity isn't always illegal even in the US, but it would be VERY questionable in this movie. I already don't buy that this a "cautionary tale" about the "real" dangers of the internet and not just flat-out sensationalistic exploitation.

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