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I have to give this movie a fail (spoilers)

posted 4 years ago by [deleted]
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Why?

Because they UNWROTE what is the basis of the first movie, that is, Bill and Ted become the greatest rockers of all time and all of society is based upon these two numbskulls.

The whole joke is that they're not there yet, it's the future great potential that lives inside of them that will change the world. For now (or then), they are just two dudes who are trying to figure life out, thrust into a time-travelling adventure.

Bogus Journey ends with them FINALLY becoming the rockstars that they are destined to be.

But in this one, they're losers again and BIG TWIST, their sons (now daughters) are actually the ones who will unite the world with their music.

Wait, what?

Any movie that rewrites the ones better it get a fail for me.

It's dangerous to try and EXPLAIN previous movies, but REWRITE?

NOT COOL!

[–] AZ (62) 4 years ago

Agreed. This is a common thing these days. Hollywood is constantly retconning old movies to "improve" them, often meaning for contemporary politics or to just regress the progress of the characters because they don't know how to move them forward from where they were left off.

This movie is kind of meta in that sense as it reflects the writers' inability to move Bill and Ted forward from part two. Instead they've stagnated and done nothing for thirty years.

The same problem happened with Han Solo with The Force Awakens and Luke in all the Disney movies.

This is again a common problem, or maybe it's intentional, with Hollywood. No ability to think in a forward and creative way anymore for them. Their minds are dulled by too much greed, too many politics, and probably too many drugs and other vices. Not the same as taking a risk to make a unique and odd movie when you're young.

I don't care if the original writers made this sequel. That means nothing these days. That's been proven by how many old directors and writers have gone back to original material and messed it up up today.

I'm sure many fans could have thought up a Bill and Ted sequel that is less rehash and retcon and more creative. I would have made the movie about the future. Ie. maybe we see them write and play the song then fast forward to the future where they're famous. Plenty of ways to give them something to do after that point.

[–] B1cKsurN (17484) 4 years ago

Hollywood is constantly retconning old movies to "improve" them, often meaning for contemporary politics or to just regress the progress of the characters because they don't know how to move them forward from where they were left off.

The positive side of this is that these "improvements" are the complete opposite, the movie fails hard, deservedly falls into the abyss of obscurity, and is eventually forgotten or endlessly criticized(as it should be).

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Absolutely!

From the perspective of 1991, a movie made in 2020 would have Bill and Ted's futuristic society coming into place. They might be joint rulers. Music may be the means of political discourse.

So many creative ideas could come together to show us what a society built upon Bill and Ted would look like.

Then throw in a revolt by the "anti-music" people and you've got a movie.

[–] AZ (62) 4 years ago

The positive side of this is that these "improvements" are the complete opposite, the movie fails hard, deservedly falls into the abyss of obscurity, and is eventually forgotten or endlessly criticized(as it should be).

That is true. It's unfortunate so many old franchises are getting thrown through the ringer to get there. What Hollywood is doing with them is meaningless and wasteful. Maybe they want to promote nihilism and that's the point.

Music may be the means of political discourse.

That would be interesting. Imagine music as the means to communicate and even debate and resolve conflicts. The problem is it's an idea that would go over the heads of those in Hollywood. Those who believe they're smarter than everyone and so believe the audience must be dumber than they are.

[–] Forky (1739) 4 years ago

i liked it

[–] Moonglum9 (11311) 4 years ago

Out of any type of movie though, a movie with time travel as a premise is the easiest one to explain away weird changes. In this case, someone could have gone back in time at some point between B&T 2 and B&T 3, and some of the ripples of change caused by something they did caused Bill and Ted's lives to unfold differently than we previously saw.

[–] [email protected] (2019) 4 years ago

Yes. Horrible horrid gross film. I hated that they made the first 2 films worthless for this lacklustre sequel.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I don't get where they say "our fans want a sequel!" So they make something that nullifies what we liked, or shits all over it.

I feel the same with Coming 2 America. Not worth the wait.

[–] Kowalski (76300) 4 years ago

A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKED FACE THE MUSIC...MYSELF INCLUDED...YOU SHOULD REALLY SPEAK FROM YOUR STATION AND NOT A PLATFORM.

[–] Moonglum9 (11311) 4 years ago

joi2049? Is that you?