Writer admits show was a troll
So, instead of trying to entertain fans, they were purposefully trolling them...
Why are these people not being black balled in the industry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LW3Q5oimV0
So, instead of trying to entertain fans, they were purposefully trolling them...
Why are these people not being black balled in the industry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LW3Q5oimV0
This whole 'fuck the fans' phase that Hollywood is going through is so bizarre.
Make good content instead of purposely antagonizing the fandoms in the name of some political or artistic one-upmanship. You get people trying to weaponize media in the name of politics and others who are so full of themselves they think fans opinions don't matter.
Reminds me of Halloween Ends (2022) where you have quotes from JLC going back a year stating the movie is gonna make people very angry. If you know it's gonna get a poor reception shouldn't you maybe rethink the whole thing?
This shit shouldn't fly.
Worse is when they intentionally antagonize the fans then play the victim when people don't go out and watch their projects. Too many people go "If you don't like it don't watch it" then people don't watch and it's the fans faults for being "bigots."
shareUnreal that so much money is pissed away on these projects for the sake of "trolling".
And very weird that you would antagonize a fanbase, which no doubt consists of people that probably were with the MCU since the start. So much for appreciation.
i want to say hollywood money is never pissed away. doesnt matter if projects fly or fail, everyone working on it gets paid (usually), then they bankrupt the LLC, recover losses in tax dodging, and move on. almost cant lose with hollywood finance loop holes, fly or fail, the money is pocketed.
shareBULLSHIT...THAT FUCKER IN THE VIDEO LOOKS LIKE A REAL IDIOT AND SOUNDS LIKE ONE TOO...PICKING AND CHOOSING WORDS AND EXPOUNDING ON THINGS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT...SEEM FAMILIAR?...OH...THAT'S WHAT YOU NECK-BEARDS ARE DOING ON THIS THREAD...CARRY ON. NOEMOJI
shareThe Quartering is actually a pretty nice guy that bends over backwards to be fair to people.
shareHollywood is now under Communist/Democrat party control. They won't be black balled, they will be promoted for spreading "the message."
shareFailing upwards... because to the Rainbow Reich it's not about the money, it's about the message.
shareNow? McCarthy was right, they just were angry that he called them out. They used their massive media influence and control to make his name rank among the worst figures in American history, so much so that every schoolkid learns he was a dark spot on democracy. What they don't ever answer, though, is whether or not he was right, or would be even more right today.
shareAll true, but in the McCarthy era, entertainers could be open Republicans, not like today where every entertainer has to publicly declare loyalty to "the Party." It's much worse now.
shareThat's very true. Hence all the woke messaging we are seeing in films/tv series and studios making more garbage even after their previous garbage project was a huge financial failure. This is no longer about money - it's ideology driven and it is being financed by some big corporate money - vanguard/black rock/etc. The very same corporate entities which imposed the ESG scores - the most woke entities get the biggest financing. ESG score is also being applied to countries.
I'm very curious how all these shows and movies are gonna play 20 years from now when there's no longer any context for their existence.
shareI've wondered that too. Whole careers will be built deconstructing and trying to understand the cultural dysfunctions that led to this bizarre and unhealthy period, imo.
shareMy prediction is not many people will be rewatching in 20 years.
shareYeah I’ve also wondered about that. Either the concepts being played out in today’s shows will be seen as racist/sexist etc in the decades to come by an even more Woke audience or the whole Woke thing will die out from its own stupidity and these shows will be seen as some kind of Left wing hate device.
It was so boring that I stopped watching after 2 episodes. Then watched finale because everyone said it was so ridiculously bad. And it was.
That was not hate-watch bad. It was boringly bad.
Yeah, I failed to get though episode ONE. And I love that actress from her earlier work. But the story, and the dialog, and the effects.
All terrible.
Orphan black showcased her talents beautifully. A much better show.
shareAgreed.
shareA shame actually. I feel Disney/marvel wasted really talented actresses on bland characters. Tatiana I feel is a great actress as shown in orphan black. Another example is Brie Larson. She gave a breathtaking performance in the movie Room 2015. She also does a great job in the movie short term 12. So it's a pity most people know her from captain marvel a very bland uninteresting forgettable film. Lots of people think she can't act when the opposite is true.
Honestly the issue comes from too much commercialization on Disney's end. Once the avengers hit it made factory film making a priority. Notice everyone went oh team up movies? Universe building? Genius this keeps money flowing in yes yes! It became a producer's wet dream. It's why I liked the batman. No team up crap, no universe building and endless sequel baiting. It gets so bad with marvel I feel I'm watching an advertisement. The mcu feels more so like a big budget tv show than a theatrical cinematic film. I think there is far too much output and not enough quality control. Personally it's why I don't tune in anymore. I don't need to see she hulk, falcon etc. They look dumb therefore I don't support them.
The stand alone movies were better imo, even though the major story arcs happened in the teamups.
The characters have an...illusion of greater depth becuase of the history from the comics, imo.
BUt yes, Disney is milking that to death.
For once we might be on the same page. I think Iron Man is absolutely fantastic! It is what after all jumpstarted the whole thing. See here is another issue I call it trend chasing. Notice how studios try and emulate anything that is the measuring stick at a specific time? Want an example? What before the Avengers was the highest grossing critically successful comic book film? The Dark Knight! Notice something about Man of Steel, Amazing Spider-man? Both have a Dark serious more realistic tone. Stripping away color and the comic book fantasy aspect. That was because during their production The Dark Knight was what everyone wanted to emulate.
Okay what changed in 2012? What shifted? Well in 2012 the highest grossing comic book movie was the Avengers. Avengers was what brought the Dark Knight to it's knees. Was it a better film? Heavens no but it was more financially successful. Now notice how in BVS Dawn of Justice and Amazing Spider-man 2 shift from their predecessor? What changes? Both now emulate the team up and universe building that the MCU was known for. How Many Easter eggs are in both BVS and Amazing Spider-man 2 that allude to future films? The sequel bating and product placement in those films is down right ridiculous. Amazing Spider-man 2 also changed because that one ups the color into overdrive, a far outcry from the colorless gritty take the predecessor had.
Again it is why I liked the Batman. I do not like when the director has no voice in the project. Lots of MCU movies to me just hire yes men directors and allow very limited creative freedom. They keep them on an assembly line and look over their shoulder. They want it to remain safe and marketable. No risks no chances etc. I enjoy Nolan's films because even though they have flaws they are his Batman films. Same with Tim Burton's Batman films, Matt Reeves's Batman film and films like Sin City, Logan etc. Since the director has a voice it feels unique. Honestly I hated that the movie Dredd in 2012 bombed. Such a shame when inspired good movies bomb where as anything mcu will rake in cash.
Agreed.
sharefucking awesome , got a load of whiny man baby fanboys all triggered?
Whilst just appearing to normal people like a tongue in cheek show with some references and breaks 4th wall?
Well done MCU ! , I might break my anti mcu stance and watch it .
Nobody watched it, it bombed. If there's another season, it will be a miracle. "Normal" people didn't watch, and neither did the fans.
Hurrah for failure! Awesome success at being a fail!
>Whilst just appearing to normal people
Apparently they were appealing to 9 year old children who can relate to a 30 something single women navigating the dating market and her sex life.
https://www.polygon.com/23408823/she-hulk-sex-scenes-kat-coiro-interview?utm_campaign=polygon&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Hollyweird.
Let's put it this way: if Hollyweed didn't have a ton of money to start with, and an overseas audience as a backup source of income, they would have quit this BS a long time ago. Most businesses are successful because they give their customers what they want. But not Hollywood. For some reason they think catering to tiny minorities (who are often poor or don't even watch their shows/movies) is more "profitable" than making material that appeals to the majority of Americans. Evidently the people at the top were so stupid that they thought they could get more money this way, having no idea that their chosen audience was the worst demographic to appeal to.
I also smell the stench of the govt. in all of this, telling Hollyweird to do all this shit so that Americans will be mad about their crappy wares and not about what's important in life. Nothing benefits a govt. in the middle of a quiet coup than dividing the very people who can stop them from seizing power.
I find it particularly pathetic that after all their least favorite, talented people were purged, the people left in Hollyweird have no talent, no creativity, and nothing to really offer their customers, and they think hating on and insulting the very people they get their MONEY from is gonna be part of some childish win against "Trump supporters." I would like to point out that not everyone who dislikes their garbage is from that group. In fact, people on both sides of the aisle are getting sick of the woke shit.
Nothing would please me more to see shitheads like Jessica Cow lose their jobs and be replaced by the very types she and her ilk hate, and make her look even worse by making far better quality entertainment.
Amen.
shareSo you are mad they want to cater to a minority but get upset about them not listening to you about the batman? Aren't you in the minority in not liking that film? If so why should they cater to you?
shareBig difference between choosing to "cater to a minority" and responding to fan criticism.
Seriously, that you try to conflate the two,... it is hard to believe you truly believe that, and are not just trolling.
You are in the minority in disliking the film. Why should they cater to your critiques? Your critique is not one shared by the majority, you are in the minority. If a fan's criticism is in the minority then why would you cater to it?
shareIf you want to argue that criticism of a movie should be ignored, drop the shit trying to conflate it with "catering to a minority". That's dishonest and misleading.
This thread is about the writer(s) admitting that they wrote teh story to troll the fans, or the "toxic fans".
BUT, THEY seem to be vague about whether or not they are talking about a faction of their fans, or if ALL their fans are "toxic".
The myth that the woke left is pushing iss that they make films that are good, and that have "strong female characters" or some such "representation" and that "fans" or "toxic fans" are "triggered" by those elements.
BUT, now we see the writers admitting that this is not the case. They purposely crafted the plot to be offensive to "fans".
The questions that need to be asked now is,
1. When you say "toxic fans", do you mean "All fans" or "all male fans"?
2. Are you admitting that you purposefully wrote plot that you knew was not right, to make a political statement?
When the criticism is is not shared by the majority then you are in the minority. Overall the Batman was a critical success as well as a financial one. You not liking it and your critiques are not shared by the majority. Therefore catering to the minority makes no sense. In the case of She Hulk you might have a case because the majority of people do not like it. The issue is you always want to be appeased whether you are in the minority or not.
Not necessarily a myth. Watch how many racist things you will see posted on Black Panther Wakanda Forever once it is released. The critics are paid! The box office numbers are fake to make this movie look good! Nobody can like Black Panther without you being a shill of some kind. You have to agree the movie is trash otherwise you are a brainwashed leftist liberal. People have their mind made up before even seeing the film. Prey was an example of this also. Where there is smoke there is fire. Now on the flip side are there times where they use it to cover up for bad film making? Such as Ghostbusters 2016, Captain Marvel the new Star Wars etc. In those cases yes it is a shield but that is not always the case and you know it. However in cases like Prey, Black Panther, The Batman, Mad Max Fury Road etc. Those are good films that people constantly try and bring down because they do not agree with the ideology of it. They are not objective or fair about it at all.
They admitted it in this instance. You are running with it and making the assumption/generalization that this is always the case. This is deceptive and disenguine by you.
Fans who are toxic, it is not limited to their gender.
Obviously in this case they admitted it. In other cases you will reach for whatever you have.
To a hammer everything looks like a nail. Ever heard that saying?
You want to argue several points at once, so you can keep pivoting from one to the other, instead of admitting when the other side has a valid point.
You want to explain why criticism from fans should be ignored, or, as you seem to be implying, is inherently invalid, you go right ahead.
You want to throw a bucket of various shit against a wall and see if any turds stick, you can play with that yourself.
I admitted when the other side had a valid point. Did I not say that they use it as a shield against criticism for films like Ghostbusters 2016, Captain Marvel the new Star Wars etc?
Nope I said in the case of She Hulk or the other ones I listed that it is valid. You just want this to apply anytime you disagree with a film's ideology. You proved this when discussing the Batman.
Nope read what I write. Get out of that echo chamber you are in it is not healthy. I have never heard you admit when the other side has a valid point against you. I have done that you have not.
Why is it "invalid" to criticize the fact that the writers of this show, are fucking ADMITTING that they were trolling the fans?
Where did I say that it was invalid in this scenario? I never did. I mean this sincerely are you not listening to what I am saying? I said in the case of She Hulk, Ghostbusters 2016, Captain Marvel and the new Star Wars they used it as a shield against criticism. You however want to apply this same scenario to every film that goes against your ideology.
Now answer my question. Are you big enough to admit when the other side of your belief set has a point? I just proved I was big enough by admitting that in this scenario you have a legitimate beef. Lets see if you can grant that same thing on the opposite side.
Do you think that the she hulk writers think ALL their male fans are toxic and thus their entire plot was not meant to be good entertainment at all?
shareNo I think they did that to use it as a shield against criticism. I think they wanted to get away with making a lackluster product. Now answer my question.
shareCOme on, shit like making Daredevil do a "walk of shame"?,
That's DUMB. And it is bad story telling and not entertaining.
They had a choice there between doing something GOOD MOVIE, and they choose instead to TROLL. That is not them after the fack saying they were trolling to shield themselves, that was them putting their desire to make anti-male fan trolling, instead of a good movie.
Dude! My goodness did I or did I not just admit it was terrible? It was terrible! I absolutely adored the Daredevil tv show on Netflix. It was brutal, dark and gritty just how I love it. I knew once Disney got the rights back it would be watered down. Yes they forced an agenda and put politics above storytelling. This is the third time I've said this. I didn't even see she hulk I knew it would be bad off of trailers. All these disney plus shows have been lackluster honestly. Now answer my question please. Are you big enough to admit when the opposing side has a point?
shareIf they had NOT admitted it, would anything convince you that they had done so on purpose?
shareAnswer my question first. I answered yours now answer mine. To a hammer everything looks like a nail. You actively look for things to upset you. Therefore you find it in places where it is not present. You assume because it exists in one area it's everywhere. You do this before even watching a film. Before a plot beat or even a set image was leaked people dumped on the casting of Zoe Kravitz. So this shows that there was no way of casting Catwoman other than white without it being an issue. I can prove it. Like I said no trailer, set image or any plot thread had been leaked. Explain that. Boom checkmate.
shareBecause we know that Hollywood are general woke assholes, as shown by the admission of this writer that she was trolling the fans.
Your "boom checkmate" is you being retarded.
If this writer had not clearly and openly admitted it, you would be denying that the writers were purposefully "trolling" the fans, you would be talking shit about them just doing a bad job, or some such bullshit.
You said it's possible for Catwoman to not be white and it not be political. Then in the same breath say well Hollywood is generally liberal/woke. Which shows that guilty until proven innocent mentality in your brain. Before a trailer was shown, a set image displayed or a plot beat revealed people were complaining about the casting.
Even if the director came and said it wasn't the case you guys would say he is lying. The problem with generalizing and acting as if generalizations are iron clad facts is you are bound to be wrong at some point. So let me ask again how do you cast Catwoman a race other than white and have it not be an issue? I just debunked your claim that it would be accepted. As I stated before an image was shown, a plot beat revealed or a trailer revealed your camp was whining. So enlighten me.
Nope the writer of Ghostbusters 2016 never came out and I admitted it and I still called it. Try again brother. Now answer my question. You big enough to admit when the other side has a valid complaint? This is the fourth time I have asked this. I answered your question you too chicken to answer mine?
This thread is about a writer openly admitting they were "trolling" the fans.
And you are here defending them by distracting from this with shit talk.
How many writers do you think "trolled" the fans and did not admit it?
Are there any that you admit that they did it for political purposes, where they did not openly admit it?
If the writers had not admitted to the trolling, would you be denying their political intent?
I am not defending them. I am pointing out that just because that is what happened here does it mean it exists everywhere.
I have admitted it multiple times with Ghostbusters 2016. You are so blind with rage you are ignoring when I call it out. The writers of Ghostubsters 2016 never admitted to trolling and I said you have a legit beef in claiming that for that film. I have answered your question several times now.
Answer my question. You big enough to admit when the other side has a valid complaint? Yes or no?
You are defending it. When you immediately derail a thread attacking them, rightfully so, you have thus defended them.
That is teh side you are on.
Nope not true you are talking crap. No one can have an opinion that goes against yours. I attacked no one. I said in this case it applies but that doesn't prove your point that it happens everywhere like you claim.
You going to answer my question or should I count that as a concession from you?
WOULD YOU HAVE ADMITTED IT, IF THEY HAD NOT ADMITTED IT?
shareI already answered that. Now answer my question.
shareDude. You act the asshole and then expect to be treated civily.
That is you being delusional.
I'm going to answer this one more time. If you ignore it this time I will ignore the question. I already called this show out on this before even seeing your article of them admitting it. So yes I would. The ghost busters 2016 team didn't admit they did it and I called it out. Now answer my question.
shareIt is a retarded question. I'm not the bad guy here, you and you people are.
Your refusal to answer the question shows that you know you will lose footing if you answer it. The reason you will not answer is because it opens you up and gives me ground. Notice how I was secure enough in my position to give you ground.
Funny thing is I actually admit when a liberal/leftist is in the wrong. You won't admit when a right winger/conservative is in the wrong. Yet I'm the bad guy? Pathetic! Keep deluding yourself.
You are just trolling. Your question was retarded. The She Hulk writers, this particular example is only matter of degree, they were so... isolated in their bubble that they were comfortable ADMITTING their political motivation to put forth shit.
shareNo yoir refusal to answer says it all. Right wingers are always correct and leftists are always wrong. You are a shallow person.
shareA thread about liberal writers admitting they betrayed their professional responsibilities and did not even TRY to do good work and instead "trolled" their fans, and you have changed the subject from that, to me.
You are teh bad guy, here to defend your fellow bad guys.
Where did I defend them? How am I defending them when I called it out?
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