insularity (major spoilers)


the movie contains a mystery about why she was convicted and jailed, but the main theme of the movie is her insularity. the climax of the movie occurs when the sister wails, "why didn't you tell us!" and, for a film that is so psychologically real about her individual psyche, the interpersonal - the insularity - is really not treated in any satisfying way.

indeed, why didn't she tell anyone? why was this hers to solve and handle alone? (not to mention why didn't she tell other doctors so the boy might get treatment? i'm a doc, and the lab tests sure looked to me like leukemia, which should be treatable. if it was adrenoleukodystrophy, as offered in another thread, well, that is such an obscure disease that you would never diagnose it without several consults) yes, it hits a mom incredibly hard, but why not let others grieve as well?

several of the other characters are way insular as well - and in ways that startled me. why didn't her parole officer, who seemed so open, confide that he was depressed? or, more precisely, why does the director present the parole officer as transparent and vulnerable, when he is really quite deceptive. why doesn't bald budding boyfriend michel tell anyone what actually happened to his late wife (i was imagining he was driving in the car accident in which she died).

for that matter, why does the director have michel chase kst through practically the whole movie only to turn her down when she calls him from the cafe? not that there couldn't be 20 valid reasons, but the movie simply doesn't bother to offer any of those 20 reasons for his change of heart. and then, to make matters worse, why does the director have bald michel do another about face: at the end of the movie, there he is ringing her doorbell again. so what was with the telephone snub?

there is one heck of a lot of insularity in this film, but just what are the writer and the director trying to say about insularity? without further explication, the film by the end seems to me quite alienated or random. when do you let others in, when do you need to keep to yourself? what is the stance of the film?!?

i think of another film about insularity, "blue," by k. kieslowski. in that film the heroine (juliette binoche) also withdraws after a family death and is also brought back out by another character (in this case a wacky neighbor). but in "blue," the withdrawal and the return are clearly portrayed and make sense.

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As I understood it, the reason Michel 'snubbed' her phone call was because he was already back at the house with her sister and friends for the surprise birthday party - the immediate scene following was her walking through the door.

I went to see this film with positive expectations following the reviews. However I must say I found it disappointing (there aren't many of us with this opinion on this board). I think a lot of the 'alienated or random' summation you give it comes down to some straightforward flaws. I felt the dialogue was stilted and self-conscious; the acting was distinctly average and unoriginal. Much as I can see why they cast Kristin Scott Thomas - the French, the ability to look haunted and damaged - I've never really warmed to her as an actress: I think she is not as good an actress as she is intelligent, which means that she has to try a little too hard, and is never quite natural enough to play around with emotion and interpretation of the script.

The other main actors were also fairly unimpressive, possibly a result of self-conscious and sometimes randomly emotional dialogue. I can't see the excessive praise given to the actress who plays the sister. Production values were also poor: this is a film distinctly shot on a budget with unimaginative cinematography - I felt like I was watching Home and Away at some points.

I'm not saying this is a bad film at all. It's good - but it could have been much better, with more money, imagination and a better cast (KST is no Cate Blanchett or Jodie Foster - the latter has the nuanced acting and the accent, but there was obviously no money for a superstar). It just didn't stack up to the reviews.

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the movie contains a mystery about why she was convicted and jailed, but the main theme of the movie is her insularity. the climax of the movie occurs when the sister wails, "why didn't you tell us!" and, for a film that is so psychologically real about her individual psyche, the interpersonal - the insularity - is really not treated in any satisfying way.

indeed, why didn't she tell anyone? why was this hers to solve and handle alone? (not to mention why didn't she tell other doctors so the boy might get treatment? i'm a doc, and the lab tests sure looked to me like leukemia, which should be treatable. if it was adrenoleukodystrophy, as offered in another thread, well, that is such an obscure disease that you would never diagnose it without several consults) yes, it hits a mom incredibly hard, but why not let others grieve as well?

several of the other characters are way insular as well - and in ways that startled me. why didn't her parole officer, who seemed so open, confide that he was depressed? or, more precisely, why does the director present the parole officer as transparent and vulnerable, when he is really quite deceptive. why doesn't bald budding boyfriend michel tell anyone what actually happened to his late wife (i was imagining he was driving in the car accident in which she died).

for that matter, why does the director have michel chase kst through practically the whole movie only to turn her down when she calls him from the cafe? not that there couldn't be 20 valid reasons, but the movie simply doesn't bother to offer any of those 20 reasons for his change of heart. and then, to make matters worse, why does the director have bald michel do another about face: at the end of the movie, there he is ringing her doorbell again. so what was with the telephone snub?

there is one heck of a lot of insularity in this film, but just what are the writer and the director trying to say about insularity? without further explication, the film by the end seems to me quite alienated or random. when do you let others in, when do you need to keep to yourself? what is the stance of the film?!?

i think of another film about insularity, "blue," by k. kieslowski. in that film the heroine (juliette binoche) also withdraws after a family death and is also brought back out by another character (in this case a wacky neighbor). but in "blue," the withdrawal and the return are clearly portrayed and make sense.

Yours comments remind me a quote from the movie "blood diamond" : "you americans love to talk about your feelings, right ?"
It's good to talk, not talking about it can be very damaging....but truth is that the people, that I know, keep mostly their feelings, their grief for themselves.


so to answer to your questions, many of the answers are here
http://www.sonyclassics.com/ivelovedyousolong/filmmakers_interview.htm l

i will sum it up for you :


indeed, why didn't she tell anyone? why not let others grieve as well?

she's human, and she just lost her only child.
Claudel said about this "she didn't wait that society judge her, but condemned herself, heavily, so she went away from the life, locked up herself in a silence as in most terrible of the punishments".



why didn't her parole officer, who seemed so open, confide that he was depressed?

Well he sort of did it but Juliette couldn't hear him. She didn't do for Fauré what the others were doing for her.




so what was with the telephone snub? (by michel, the bald guy)

not a snub, he wanted to surprise her at her anniversary party.

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"she's human, and she just lost her only child?"

well that might be a reason why she didn't explain the murder after the fact.

what i'm asking about is comes earlier. why didn't she tell her husband, the father of the boy, that his son had a fatal illness? why didn't she get advice / 2nd opinions from other physicians? i'm a doc and i would never dream of being that sure of my own diagnosis if my kid were sick. why didn't she tell the boy's grandparents that their grandson was sick?


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well that might be a reason why she didn't explain the murder after the fact.

i meant that as to say "she's human = she has flaws/she made mistakes".

And you're thinking like a doc here....in this story she is the mother of the child.
The character was in her own grief, her own pain (and oftenly you can have a family but you are alone in your own grief) and She didn't want to justify her act.

And i don't think it's incoherent that someone keep her/his feelings for herself/himself. I think it's completly human to be insular about the feelings we feel.

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thanks, c_bolavienon, for helping articulate this issue. it emerges from this discussion that there are 2 kinds of solitude at issue.

the solitude of the kidnapping is the problem, not the solitude of her reticence.

i, too, don't think it's incoherent to be discreet or reserved or private. one can make a great movie about reserve. again, the main character in "blue" keeps her feelings to herself, and that's a wonderful film. (although i don't get what the writer and director of "longtemps"are trying to say about keeping ones feelings to oneself. is it justified? is it natural, is it human, is it something to be challenged by friends and family?)

but, again, i'm not too concerned that she doesn't want to talk about her act. that seems understandable. i was right with kst when her character said to the social worker, "if i didn't talk about it before, why would you think i'd want to talk about it with you now?" you go, girl!

so, if you wish to raise "coherence," then what is not coherent is that she kidnapped her son to hide the fact of his illness from her husband, sister, parents and the medical profession. at that point in the movie, i went, "huh? say what?"

her grief (and perhaps the act of murder) are hers alone, but the boy's illness simply is not her solo possession. did the boy not have a right to a 2nd medical opinion. did the boy not have a right to see his father, aunt, and grandparents as he was gradually becoming more ill? did they not have a right to see him, to comfort him?

the author/director conflate a natural reticence with a very unnatural kidnapping. these are very different sorts of behavior. her odd failure to treat his illness as a family problem is what i mean by insularity.

open or transparent would be the opposites of reticent. the film makes it believable that she is not transparent.

collaborative is the opposite of insular. the film does not make it believable that she was not collaborative about the boy's illness.

i don't believe the film presents the kidnapping in a way that makes any human sense.

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so, if you wish to raise "coherence," then what is not coherent is that she kidnapped her son to hide the fact of his illness from her husband, sister, parents and the medical profession. at that point in the movie, i went, "huh? say what?"

well i don't think, in any way, they (well he, claudel) portrayed her as a saint who did the right choice with her kid.
But I think we can relate and think that her choice was understandable.
She was feeling guilty as a mother to have give birth to a kid who had this disease, and she was in pain to see him like this.
People say, do pretty irrational things when they are in pain.


did the boy not have a right to a 2nd medical opinion.

in theory yes but I don't think it's unrealistic the choice she made in the movie.


did the boy not have a right to see his father, aunt, and grandparents as he was gradually becoming more ill? did they not have a right to see him, to comfort him?

Yeah but as i said she was on her own guilt, pain about the whole thing.
that's why i said : she's not perfect, she's human.




i don't believe the film presents the kidnapping in a way that makes any human sense.

I think the movie was about 'being locked' but I'm not talking about prison here, i mean locked in their own mind.
Many characters in the movie (not only juliette) are locked....and some (juliette, léa) did succeed to free themselves. Others didn't (fauré) or can't (the grand-father who is silent, and the mother of juliette and léa).


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yes. locked in own's own mind is what i meant by insular.

i went to read the "interview with the filmmakers" that you linked, but the link doesn't work. the sony website for the movie shows one of the several scenes with the sisters in the swimming pool.

i'm beginning to think that this movie is "'blue' - lite." in "blue," many of the bonding interactions of the juliette binoche character and her neighbor occur in the local (indoor) swimming pool.

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yeah sorry i didn't put the link correctly...it should work now (copy and paste this)
http://www.sonyclassics.com/ivelovedyousolong/filmmakers_interview.html

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Grief is not rational.

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that is true and it affects people in different ways

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I also think the ending is not satisfying. I regret I saw the whole movie for that poor ending. It seems the director is the writer of the novel, on which this film is based on. So, I don’t know how such novel could have been successful enough to be made into a film. I cannot imagine a mother punishing herself because her son died of leukemia which she is not responsible at all, unless she is seriously and clinically depressed. Actually, I had thought the son died of AIDS which had been given to him by the father. And the mother perhaps took the burden to protect her husband. And she's more distressed because the husband testified against her. I was tricked by the title.

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