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Why is Brie Larson blaming men .. sexism ,racism and Islamophobia ?


She’s ranting about sexism and racists and Islamophobia.. why is tht her go to ?

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posted 3 minutes ago by Nipsey_Russell (1300)
She’s ranting about sexism and racists and Islamophobia.. why is tht her go to ?
Please, please, please show us all where Brie Larson, with links and or quotations, is ranting, whispering, blogging, talking about, sexism, racists, and Islamophobia.

I need a good laugh today.

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https://fandomwire.com/it-doesnt-deserve-the-hate-men-are-giving-it-brie-larson-fans-target-men-for-the-marvels-getting-review-bombed/

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She said before she did not give a damn of what white men thought, and now she does, how things change.

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[–] fc31 (3813) 2 minutes ago
She said before she did not give a damn of what white men thought, and now she does, how things change.
Nope, Brie Larson never said that either. Try again. Here allow me to assist:
Larson commented on that discrepancy at an event, noting, "I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time. It wasn’t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color.”

Even at that very same event, Larson elaborated on her initial comment, stating, “Am I saying I hate white dudes? No, I am not. What I am saying is if you make a movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is an insanely low chance a woman of color will have a chance to see your movie, and review your movie.”

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Isn't that virtually the same thing? This movie is clearly not made for men, just like A Wrinkle in Time.

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[–] fc31 (3814) a minute ago
Isn't that virtually the same thing? This movie is clearly not made for men, just like A Wrinkle in Time.
Brie Larson was commenting on there being so FEW women of color as film critics. She advocated for there being MORE women and people of color in the film review process providing more voices and POV's.

When was The Marvels not made for men? Plus, how many POC are Reviewers of this movie POST Brie Larson's comment? The reviewer pool has indeed expanded.

So again, when did Brie Larson say again, your quote, not mine:
[–] fc31 (3814) 26 minutes ago
She said before she did not give a damn of what white men thought, and now she does, how things change.
Sooooooo.....?

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Like I said before it is really the same thing, you were just saying they were not EXACTLY the same thing.

I think we all know what she was thinking, you are just not willing to admit it.

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[–] fc31 (3818) 20 minutes ago
Like I said before it is really the same thing, you were just saying they were not EXACTLY the same thing.
Nope. It is not even remotely the same thing. Brie Larson was indeed commenting on Film Criticisms and Reviews of content that was indeed made for a particular audience's POV. Brie Larson wasn't then and is not now berating "White Males" for their criticisms of and reviews of The Marvels. Brie Larson did not then and is not now commenting on Racism, Sexism, and Islamophobia as regards to films.
I think we all know what she was thinking, you are just not willing to admit it.
No, she said what she was thinking, she is quoted as to what she actually said, word, for word.

There is nothing to admit besides the projections of others commenting on what she said and or didn't say.

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The evidence is right here, I think anyone watched it would agree with me, even agree with OP: https://youtu.be/9e852S8RvlU?si=l0-NHzyH83dQ0FoA&t=218

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Yeap, you and the OP are correct.

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[–] tvfan (4340) 3 hours ago
Yeap, you and the OP are correct.
Yes, you and the OP too are correct about "something" but no one reading this is quite sure what that is. 🤔

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[–] fc31 (3821) 2 hours ago
The evidence is right here, I think anyone watched it would agree with me, even agree with OP:
Sounds like her comments were well received by her audience. She also made apologies to those who would take her comments the wrong way. She clearly said she doesn't hate white males.

2.5% of film critics were POC and she brought stats to bolster her call for changes. When movies are panned because they don't meet the critics expectations then the movie may be poorly received because of reviews.

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if wrinkle in time wasnt made for white men and she doesnt want our opinions on it, the the marvels also wasnt.

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i guess they are finally discovering who buys tikcets.
thot they'd know that by now. those idiots.

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[–] ShadowHunter (391) 2 hours ago
if wrinkle in time wasnt made for white men and she doesnt want our opinions on it, the the marvels also wasn't.
You didn't see A Wrinkle In Time, you had no interest in seeing A Wrinkle in Time before, during, and after Brie Larson's comments regarding POV film criticism..

..and you think that whole brouhaha over A Wrinkle In Time should extend to The Marvels?

Brie Larson wasn't in A Wrinkle In Time and hasn't said word one about criticism and or reviews of The Marvels by "40 Year Old White Male" Reviewers.

I don't get it. 🤔

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"I don't get it. 🤔"

what is there not to get? she was saying the movie wasnt made for white 40 year old males. she cares what litel black girls think on it etc. so why would a movie starting three women, and directed by a women, logically according to Brie, be made for white males? im extending her "logic" from wrinkle to this.

its not about "that whole brouhaha over A Wrinkle In Time". its about calling out Bries extremely simplistic and silly views out.

"Brie Larson wasn't in A Wrinkle In Time and hasn't said word one about criticism and or reviews of The Marvels by "40 Year Old White Male Reviewers."

of course she hasnt! she got bodied over that stupidity.

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That’s still racist. If the majority of the reviewers were black, and the lead actor said “I don’t need a 40 year old black dude to tell me what didn’t work about this movie, it wasn’t made for him” They would be cancelled. Stop defending this shit.

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[–] WandererFromYs (1235) 4 hours ago
That’s still racist. If the majority of the reviewers were black, and the lead actor said “I don’t need a 40 year old black dude to tell me what didn’t work about this movie, it wasn’t made for him”
Let's try this again. Brie Larson wasn't in A Wrinkle In Time. She was NOT a producer, a director, nor working as a Gaffe or a Best Boy on the film. Brie Larson was advocating for MORE voices in the reviewer space.

Brie Larson wasn't saying White 40 year Old males should lose their Review jobs. Brie Larson didn't say that 40 Year Old White Males should just shut up and play Nintendo.
They would be cancelled. Stop defending this shit.
What should Brie Larson be cancelled for?

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She should be urging more black women to get into film journalism and reviews.

It's a demographic problem. They just don't want to.

Look at all the freelance reviewers on Youtube with their own channels and constant content.

How many are middle-aged black women?

Brie is kinda dumb and a misandrist.

The gates are very open. Blogs, Youtube, Instgram, etc. There are many avenues for aspiring reviewers to start and build something. Nobody is stopping people becoming reviewers.

The middle-aged black women are not flooding through those gates my friend.

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[–] mitzibishi (1502) 16 minutes ago
She should be urging more black women to get into film journalism and reviews.
I have never seen a publicist present to the press what Brie Larson does or champions with the exception of her 2019 honoring for the following initiative: "Along with 300 other Hollywood women, she helped orchestrate the Time’s Up initiative in 2018. She also has an inclusion rider that specifies a specific level of diversity in casting and production staff. In 2019 she was honored for her work with the Equal Justice Initiative by Variety"
It's a demographic problem. They just don't want to.
That is a pretty harsh assumption. No demographic is totally homogenous or monolithic but industry awareness and exposure is an inducement and all that is needed to make a change and in many ways wanting access to those types of careers or creative endeavors to exposed groups.
Look at all the freelance reviewers on Youtube with their own channels and constant content.

How many are middle-aged black women?
That is a very good example. There are many Youtube influencers that have monetized their content. Since Larson spoke on this topic Rotten tomatoes did expand their reviewers list and it is now more inclusive.
Brie is kinda dumb and a misandrist.
Another rather "harsh" assessment not based on anything Larson has ever said or done or advocated. Advocating "For" something is not equivalent for pushing back against something else. Larson wanted MORE seats at the table or the "Gates", she never stated that she wanted to replace anyone.
The gates are very open. Blogs, Youtube, Instgram, etc. There are many avenues for aspiring reviewers to start and build something. Nobody is stopping people becoming reviewers.
Good point. Larson wasn't railing against an industry preventing voices from being heard. Go back and hear what she said.
The middle-aged black women are not flooding through those gates my friend.
That may very well be true but the problem you are addressing isn't even in the topic of what Larson was bringing to light. The fact that Ava DuVernay made a film is a testament to that. "“It really sucks that reviews matter – but reviews matter,” she said. “Good reviews out of festivals give small, independent films a fighting chance to be bought and seen. Good reviews help films gross money, good reviews slingshot films into awards contenders. A good review can change your life. It changed mine.”

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Guaranteed your post history consists of Donald Trump content even though he hasn't been president for almost 3 whole years, and will never get near the white house again........

Just checked, and I'm right. Obsessed with T.R.U.M.P.

Here's a snapshot. https://imgur.com/a/Qc6TGmG

Just one page and it goes on and on and on and on and on....TRUMP.TRUMP.TRUMP.TRUMP.

Your post history from the last month and beyond is 99% TRUMP posts. It's astonishing, sad, pathetic and kinda tarnishes your ability to think straight and be taken seriously......seriously. Especially when talking about movies. Maybe stick to politics, old outdated politics that is.

The old fart was voted out almost 3 years ago. He was one of the most hated presidents of all time. Get over it, it's over, he is not coming back.

Anyway, besides your psychosis, I'll be back after the weekend to decimate your trivial strawman-clutching trash, blabbing nonsense. I skimmed through that garbage you copy pastad and you failed to put a single argument together or point. Do you want to try again, except a little harder so I have something to bite on?

Cya next week. Meanwhile, continue obsessing over an old balding man in a suit who was voted out 3 whole years ago.

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[–] mitzibishi (1509) a day ago

Anyway, besides your psychosis, I'll be back after the weekend to decimate your trivial strawman-clutching trash, blabbing nonsense. I skimmed through that garbage you copy pastad and you failed to put a single argument together or point. Do you want to try again, except a little harder so I have something to bite on?

Cya next week. Meanwhile, continue obsessing over an old balding man in a suit who was voted out 3 whole years ago.
So in scouring my posting history you couldn't come up with anything meaningful to support your Brie Larson is a Misandrist, or Brie Larson isn't supporting Black Women appropriately, or Middle Aged Black Women aren't really interested in finding Gates to being film reviewers and flooding them?

So which Strawman definition are you implying I used as some stealth argumentative tactic to confuse your deductive sleuthing of my post? Was it:

1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument

Or

2. a person regarded as having no substance or integrity


I had no evil intent, and hopefully I was interpreted as being civil. I trust you had a nice weekend?

My wife and I went to see The Marvels. 😉

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>So in scouring my posting history

Merely a click. I like to know the player I'm walking onto the field with, and the game I'm playing. If I find the player is a clown, I don't want to be caught walking on the field kicking a football only to have a custard pie mushed into my face because I'm in a pie fight.

You're a clown. Your post history shows it. You're an online activist obsessed with a crusty old man in a suit who was voted out of office almost 3 years ago. Your opinion is taken from scripts written by blue haired left wing extremists on Twitter.

TRUMP is not coming back. Get over it. If you need to vent about TRUMP go to a political website to discuss POLITICS. Not poison and infest a MOVIE CHAT forum with a small handful of other right/left wing extremists to sling mud at each other.

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1. She should be urging more black women to get into film journalism and reviews.

I have never seen a publicist present to the press what Brie Larson does or champions with the exception of her 2019 honoring for the following initiative: "Along with 300 other Hollywood women, she helped orchestrate the Time’s Up initiative in 2018. She also has an inclusion rider that specifies a specific level of diversity in casting and production staff. In 2019 she was honored for her work with the Equal Justice Initiative by Variety"


Irrelevant. Pointless. No point mentioning Times Up. As you said, nothing she has done gets more black women to get into journalism. Only 1 rant about white males. With the adage that she wants to see non-white males as reviewers because she doesn't want to hear viewpoints of white males.

2. It's a demographic problem. They just don't want to.
That is a pretty harsh assumption. No demographic is totally homogenous or monolithic but industry awareness and exposure is an inducement and all that is needed to make a change and in many ways wanting access to those types of careers or creative endeavors to exposed groups.


So you didn't prove it otherwise? Further down your blab, you agree that it may be the case.

You doubt there are careers certain demographics are not as drawn to? Funny that the majority of sewage workers, and garbage disposal are male in a huge majority. I suppose middle-aged black women aren't drawn to working in sewers? Or am I incorrect in saying that?

"industry awareness and exposure". As if black women need to be taught that the job of a film critic exists. lmao The doors are open, all you need is a camera and a mike, go watch a movie, review it on camera, upload it to Youtube. Do that for a long time and build a channel. Simple. There are no gates, no barriers put up by straight white males.

3. Look at all the freelance reviewers on Youtube with their own channels and constant content. How many are middle-aged black women?
That is a very good example.
It is, not many then? Majority males?

There are many Youtube influencers that have monetized their content.

Erm, ok then? Thanks for letting me know that content creators accepted their content to be monetized.

Since Larson spoke on this topic Rotten tomatoes did expand their reviewers list and it is now more inclusive.


You have a press release from RT saying that Brie Larson was directly responsible?

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4. Brie is kinda dumb and a misandrist.

Another rather "harsh" assessment not based on anything Larson has ever said or done or advocated. Advocating "For" something is not equivalent for pushing back against something else. Larson wanted MORE seats at the table or the "Gates", she never stated that she wanted to replace anyone.


It's not harsh. It's calling a spade a spade. She got a few bad reviews, chucked a hissy fit, wanted to rant about white male reviewers, and gate keep her movie. She's basically saying white male reviewers do not have any objectivity or impartiality.

"I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time," said the future Captain Marvel. "It wasn’t made for him!"

Kinda racist, misandrist and dumb.

Next she'll be saying the front of the bus is not made for straight, white males. Who is she to say what colour of skin or gender a movie is made for, and if they are paid to watch and write about films their opinion doesn't count over somebody with a different skin colour and gender.

And it's hypocritical. Notice, she only complains about the negative reviews. Positive ones she will gladly take from straight, white males. She may think she has good intentions, but her personal biases, tendency towards sexism and misandry cast a dark cloud on her "good intentions". Then other than her rant didn't follow up on her "good intentions" and dropped the mike.

"The fact that Ava DuVernay" What on earth are you blabbing about? Another director complaining about bad reviews. It's the nature of the beast. Films come out, people are paid to review them, the general audience talks about them. Word of mouth. Gate keeping reviews to non-white males in the hopes to get fake praise isn't going to solve anything.

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Brie Larson was commenting on there being so FEW women of color as film critics.


About that, why does it matter? Did she ever think that maybe the profession doesn't appeal all that much to women of color? Besides, how does having more colored women critics help anything? It's not like it'll change how good or bad a film is, or tv shows and games for that matter.

Furthermore, even if we agree that what she said wasn’t racist or discriminatory, her saying that she'd rather only hear from certain critics for particular movies still sounds like gate-keeping to me, which is ironic since her ilk claims to hate gate-keeping, in addition to racism and discrimination.

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[–] LanceDance (924) 3 hours ago
About that, why does it matter? Did she ever think that maybe the profession doesn't appeal all that much to women of color?
It looked like the forum she was speaking at begged to differ from your speculations of what industries and or professions certain people have and or don't have an interest in pursuing.
Besides, how does having more colored women critics help anything? It's not like it'll change how good or bad a film is, or tv shows and games for that matter.
Focus groups, feedback, criticisms, by diverse audiences say otherwise.

Get reviews of kids toys made for kids by adults for kids and you just might have the right input to make the right product.
Furthermore, even if we agree that what she said wasn’t racist or discriminatory, her saying that she'd rather only hear from certain critics for particular movies still sounds like gate-keeping to me,
What Brie Larson said was the opposite of gate-Keeping. Larson advocated for opening the gates to MORE types of voices and to make it more reflective of the larger audience instead of a single, pre-dominantly male oriented POV. Brie advocated for inclusivity, more seats at the reviewer's table.
which is ironic since her ilk claims to hate gate-keeping, in addition to racism and discrimination.
I think I will read your comment of Ilk as judgmental and meant as a slur when in fact she was advocating for those that are unseen and unheard and NOT at the expense of those who have the seats and feel entitled to not want to hear from others as they deem themselves anointed to speak for all regardless of their collective or even individual experiences.

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1. The forum can beg to differ all they want, supply and demand is what it is.

2. What focus groups are those? Gen Z liberals from California? Whoever they are, they’re completely out-of-touch with reality. If they weren't, their products wouldn't be under-performing or failing.

3. Larson clearly said she didn't want to hear what certain people have to say, that's literally gate-keeping, if not racist and discriminatory. You can advocate for more voices without pushing to censor others.

4. “Ilk” is defined as people of the same category, type, or kind. It's not judgemental or a slur. Her ilk is left-wingers, and whatever falls under that umbrella.

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Newsflash Brie Larson, it’s mostly white men showing up to review your movie, because they are the biggest fans of the genre. These are the same people that would worship you if you weren’t such an insufferable person.

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Well said.

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/These are the same people that would worship you if you weren’t such an insufferable person./

all of this.

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Dear WandererFromYs, where is Brie Larson ranting, whispering, Taunting, blogging, talking about Sexism, Islamophobia, racists in that aggregated link?

Okay, now it is your turn to own up and admit this thread is nothing more than "Clickbait".

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The thread is not his to own.

And we all know what OP said was really not that far fetched.

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[–] fc31 (3815) 4 minutes ago
The thread is not his to own.

And we all know what OP said was really not that far fetched.
Correct, the OP doesn't OWN his thread but he could at least self-moderate his drive-by, and clearly throw-away, opinions. It is REALLY a stretch to call his initial post an "Opinion" because it is based on untruths.

No, what he said is indeed far-fetched and also casts an unwarranted aspersion on the actress. Secondly it reflects more on and about the poster as it telegraphs his own bias and agenda.

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I think any sane man would disagree with you after watching this: https://youtu.be/9e852S8RvlU?si=l0-NHzyH83dQ0FoA&t=218

Her attitude towards men was on full display.

I think you are one of those Disney shills just like @FilmBuff, so I am not going to waste any more of my time on you.

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THANKFULLY, now maybe they are learning reality via box office

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We can only hope ...

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I didn’t made the thread, but the link I provided has a few quotes in it. I’m guessing the Islamophobia thing was an exaggeration, but she is complaining about white men. Again.

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[–] WandererFromYs (1233) 3 minutes ago
I didn’t made the thread, but the link I provided has a few quotes in it.
No one is commenting on you making or owning the thread. I was asking YOU to defend the quote that apparently backs up what the OP stated as a question?
I’m guessing the Islamophobia thing was an exaggeration, but she is complaining about white men. Again.
Everything that the OP said is not just an exaggeration but a complete fabrication.

No, Brie Larson wasn't and isn't complaining about White men, full stop.

Additionally, not a single word in that link is an attribution by Brie Larson, not one word, not a single quote is from Brie Larson or advocated by Brie Larson. 🤔

I don't get it.

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Brie Larson wasn't and isn't complaining about White men, full stop.

I could not help it, but are you really that full of yourself, to the point you think you can speak for her?

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[–] fc31 (3821) 2 hours ago
Brie Larson wasn't and isn't complaining about White men, full stop.

I could not help it, but are you really that full of yourself, to the point you think you can speak for her?
When was I speaking FOR Brie Larson? How is it that I am full of myself because I asked a question of the OP about statements that weren't said by Brie Larson?

P.s.,

Brie Larson hasn't attacked you (if you are a white male) and Brie Larson hasn't attacked your opinion and or your characterization of her, based on comments that Brie Larson has or hasn't said.

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If you were an honest person I would probably be happy to have an honest debate.

But you are not.

You have a side to argue, and you will stick to it no matter what, that is the determination of a paid Disney bot, believing lies repeated a thousand times will become truth.

Like I said before, it is pointless to even try to have a conversation with you.

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It's her go to so it distracts from how poorly her movie did at the box office in it's opening weekend further proving that they need to leave well enough alone for at least 10 Years before making another superhero movie and come up with an original idea..

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Sexism while 61% of the viewers are men.

Some people are so fucking dumb, woke makes people idiiots.

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yep. reality is not a "safe space" for them. i have no worries.... the real world will kick their ass back to the curb soon... WOKE is getting a WAKE UP call

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I thought it was the other way around.

Or, maybe it really doesn't matter, since it's the same crap...

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Because she's either too stupid or too arrogant to believe that it's the crappy plotline of her film that is to blame, not bigotry. Not to mention she dumped on the very kind of men who make up the largest group of fans of Marvel films/comics, so that doesn't help.

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