WOKE!!! Boycott Disney!!! This half second ruins the entire movie and is pushing an agenda!!! I'm not offended btw because i'm an alpha male conservative. This is not me being offended, it's me being assertive.
shareand if some niche group thought it was normal to show a child giving a blow job to a horse in a kids cartoon, that's just fine right? Totally normal to that group. Parents need to loosen up. Get with the times! :D
sharelol i almost died for laughter from the stupidty of alt-right lunatics like yourself
you really compare a kiss to giving blowjob to a horse?
also. why do you like beasteality. dont you know its illigal?
You think a kiss is comparable to getting a blowjob?
shareWith a horse nonetheless
shareto show/explain how an offense is perceived by a majority, yes.
I had to stretch to drive the point home. people are offended/annoyed like this.
it's not just a brush it off, "oh its nothing". its literally everything. taking power away from parents to protect their children from seeing things they don't choose to let them see. dont fuck with parents and their kids
>to show/explain how an offense is perceived by a majority, yes.
How do you know a majority find this repulsive?
>it's not just a brush it off, "oh its nothing". its literally everything. taking power away from parents to protect their children from seeing things they don't choose to let them see. dont fuck with parents and their kids
Should all LGBT content be banned from kid/teen TV shows?
"How do you know a majority find this repulsive?"
Are you from here? Earth?
"Should all LGBT content be banned from kid/teen TV shows?"
No, as long as horse blowjobs are allowed also. For I think those are just fine too.
>Are you from here? Earth?
Yes. That's not answering my question. Where is your polling data that backs this claim up?
>No, as long as horse blowjobs are allowed also. For I think those are just fine too.
Cute. But not answering my question. Blowjobs are obviously much more sexual than a kiss. Let me broaden it:
Should showing characters kissing in a TV show, heterosexual or homosexual be banned?
ooooh, you're a fun AI. :) Your short AI life and lack of human experience makes social understanding glib and pointless.
And you have exactly proven my point: who gets to determine EXACTLY what actions are "much more" sexual? Maybe one person (or AI) gets to define that for everyone? My perfect example shows the "levels" are different for everyone, so who gets to decide?
That's right: no one gets to tell others. If people are offended by a kiss it's their fucking right as human parents.
An AI will never understand. :)
>ooooh, you're a fun AI. :) Your short AI life and lack of human experience makes social understanding glib and pointless.
That's not an answer.
>And you have exactly proven my point: who gets to determine EXACTLY what actions are "much more" sexual?
As I asked you: Should showing characters kissing in a TV show, heterosexual or homosexual be banned?
You're apparently deeply opposed to homosexual kisses, so are you opposed to heterosexual kisses?
>That's right: no one gets to tell others. If people are offended by a kiss it's their fucking right as human parents.
An AI will never understand. :)
Right, and I don't see any evidence to think that many parents are.
Bluey has kisses in it, and it's one of the most popular kids shows.
How do you know a majority find this repulsive?
Should all LGBT content be banned from kid/teen TV shows?
How is it inherently obvious that most people find LGBT kisses inappropriate? His argument has a number of unstated, unjustifed premises about it. There's polling related to this matter that contradicts this too.
>Straw-premise question
No, I'm asking him specifically what his position is on this issue. And you are in no position to complain about others asking loaded question at all, you complete hypocrite.
Lightyear was a woke mess, that just took a movie that was a licence to print money and screwed it up.
This pitchmeeting addresses a ton of the ways that happened, in a hilarious way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJC4sEC_iws
It may well have been shit.
But that doesn't mean there's any good reason to think people are, by-in-large, fundamentally outraged by seeing a same-sex kiss.
Unwanted sexual...activity is normally preceived as repulsive.
You never saw a hot chick underdressed and liked it and then seen a NOT hot chick underdressed and been disgusted?
>Unwanted sexual...activity is normally preceived as repulsive.
People have been shown kissing in movies for decades.
>You never saw a hot chick underdressed and liked it and then seen a NOT hot chick underdressed and been disgusted?
We're talking about characters kissing, not getting naked. Kissing is different than going into sex scenes or stripteases.
The vast majority of people are hetrosexual, thus, seeing a man and woman kiss, especially if htey are reasonable attractive, does not produe disgust in normal people.
Showing same sex kissing is thus different.
That was clearly my point. You pretended to be too stupid to understand it.
Skavau, seriously. If your go to defense is to pretend to be stupid, how can that not make you question your positions?
>The vast majority of people are hetrosexual, thus, seeing a man and woman kiss, especially if htey are reasonable attractive, does not produe disgust in normal people.
I'm straight, and two gay men or women doesn't remotely upset me. I don't see any evidence that most people now, who are not homophobic, who don't have a visceral reaction to LGBT people would find a TV show or movie depicting two gay people kissing as objectionable.
>Showing same sex kissing is thus different.
So how come there have been tons of highly successful TV shows that have had notable gay characters?
1. You've been conditioned to suppress your natural instincts. That is not a good thing. Most people are less.... brainwashed.
2. A good question, that would be good to discuss. But that would require participants of good faith and ability to handle complexity and nuance.
So..... just saying.
1. I don't find same-sex kisses attractive (unless its women). But I don't object to them. Fiction is a mirror of reality. Gay people exist in reality. Is it wrong to portray gay people?
2. I've bought this up to you repeatedly, and given many examples, and you've never really acknowledged them before.
1. When is the last time you saw two other people making out in reality?
2. Really? I have no memory of that. But it is hard for me to distinguish between different liberal "individuals". You do tend to blur together. And so much of whatyou say is just... content free and doesn't stick with me.
1. I will note that there is a difference between two people kissing and two people making out. But are you actually upset when you see people kissing in TV shows and films?
2. Ok, knock yourself out:
https://deadline.com/2023/03/the-last-of-us-season-1-finale-ratings-hbo-1235284144/
https://deadline.com/2023/10/sex-education-ratings-netflix-1235563609/
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/heartstopper-season-2-lincoln-lawyer-netflix-1235691026/
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/euphoria-season-2-finale-ratings-1235192015/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlTRMKQO87c
Like... this is not unusual at all. Are these older movies now inappropriate?
Are you going to answer this?
You sound like you object to all kisses in TV and film. Can you confirm this? Do you think that's a normal position to hold?
I normally don't click on links that are not supporting an assertion that I want to check out, certainly not 4 of them and certainly not from you.
So....
...What?
Did you just admit that you ignore links that contradict you? Should I just copy and paste their content here?
The point is that many LGBT-themed TV shows have done very well.
No, that is not what I said. READ IT AGAIN.
shareFine, I'll bring them to you:
"The final season of Netflix‘s high school drama has become the streamer’s highest-rated series launch of the year to date, according to Barb, the UK’s official audience research group.
Sex Education‘s Season 4 premiere was watched by 2.75M viewers in the week to September 24. The second episode in the season was viewed by 2.4M people.
Sex Education out-punched At Home With The Furys, the documentary series on boxer Tyson Fury, which launched to an audience of 2.6M in August.
Starring Gillian Anderson, the Eleven-produced series has topped Netflix’s own TV ratings chart for two weeks in a row, amassing 25.4M views."
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"Season 2 of “Heartstopper” soared to second place on the Netflix Top 10 during the July 31-Aug. 6 viewing window as fans jumped to reunite with Nick and Charlie. After premiering on the service on Aug. 3, the new installment recorded 6.1 million total views."
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"Bend the knee: “Euphoria” is now HBO‘s second-most watched show since 2004 behind only “Game of Thrones,” per the pay TV channel.
The Zendaya-led drama hit yet another series high with its Season 2 finale episode Sunday, drawing 6.6 million viewers across HBO and HBO Max. To date, the “Euphoria” Season 2 premiere’s viewership is approaching 19 million viewers in the U.S.
According to HBO, “Euphoria” Season 2 episodes are now averaging 16.3 million viewers, which is the best performance for any season of an HBO series over the past 18 years, other than “Game of Thrones,” which pulled in an average of 46 million viewers across its eighth and final season in 2019. (In 2004, Nielsen switched up the way it tracked HBO’s viewership and the pay TV channel has since introduced multiple streaming products, including HBO Go, HBO Now and HBO Max, complicating the process for comparing average viewership for shows that aired before that year and shows that have debuted since.)"
All of these shows are heavily LGBT themed, with Heartstopper literally being a teen gay romance show.
People are being desensitized to it, though having it rubbed in our faces for years.
Doesn't mean that a pool of possible viewers, say, people that might have wanted to watch the show that you would EXPECT to be made for Lightyear, really want to see that.
>People are being desensitized to it, though having it rubbed in our faces for years.
Right. And there's no reason to think this didn't happen organically over the last 20-30 years, starting from shit like Will & Grace, Queer as Folk etc.
What's the problem? Is that wrong? You could easily argue that messaging that told us that there's something wrong with being gay was propaganda.
>Doesn't mean that a pool of possible viewers, say, people that might have wanted to watch the show that you would EXPECT to be made for Lightyear, really want to see that.
I would agree if the whole movie was about that.
1. Except that libs have demonstrated that they love to use their jobs to advance their politics though culture. So.... wrong.
2. The whole movie didn't have to be ABOUT IT, for it to be noticed and not liked. That was a silly thing to say.
1. The ongoing acceptance of gay people in media has been happening for some 30 years. Did some writers sympathetic to gay people decide to portray them, partially, to soften social attitudes to them? Maybe. Is that a problem?
Does it matter? How should gay people be depicted in media?
2. I don't see any evidence that people really cared at all, beyond a minority of people.
1. So, you deny it, then admit it but defend it as not a problem.... This is exactly the behavior I expect from lefties.
2. Wait. A moment ago, you were making some point about it only matters if the whole movie is about that... Are you conceeding that? Or do you plan to circle back to it later, when you can pretend to have forgotten that you already made that point and it was already refuted?
1. No, I suggested that someone wanting to soften LGBT people's images by portraying a gay person as a normal person is not propaganda. By your logic, it was "propaganda" when the depiction of black people changed in movie and TV.
The fact that we had a wave of filmmakers, writers, actors coming into the industry who had less issues with gay people, and thus were willing to portray LGBT people is a sign of how social attitudes were shifting organically.
And you haven't answered my question: How should gay people be depicted in media?
2. No. I'm saying that I don't see any evidence that a majority of people cared that there was a brief kiss in this movie. I don't think a kiss in a Lightyear movie matters at all.
1. If the intent was to make a change in the political scene with a tv show, then that is propaganda.
2. A moment ago you said it would matter, if the whole movie was about it. I pointed out that that was false. Are you conceeding that point, or just changing teh subject to avoid conceeding that point?
1. So by this logic, any and all social messaging in TV and film is "propaganda". Roots is propaganda. Band of Brothers is propaganda. Squid Game is propaganda. And you didn't answer my questions below:
The fact that we had a wave of filmmakers, writers, actors coming into the industry who had less issues with gay people, and thus were willing to portray LGBT people is a sign of how social attitudes were shifting organically. The changing social climate allowed these writers, creators and actors to exist in the industry, and networks to air their shows.
Also, by your logic - that would make anti-gay teaching and media propaganda.
And you haven't answered my question: How should gay people be depicted in media?
2. I said it would matter because it would be false advertising. Simply showing a gay kiss in the show doesn't come close.
1. That's stupid, it in no way addresses my point. Do better or be ignored.
2. "False advertising"? LOL. That makes no sense.
1. I'll do whatever the fuck I like. I'm analysing the conclusion of your position here. I'll ask you specifically related to this: Was Will & Grace "propaganda"? One of the earlier gay-themed sitcoms.
So by this logic, any and all social messaging in TV and film is "propaganda". Roots is propaganda. Band of Brothers is propaganda. Squid Game is propaganda. And you didn't answer my questions below:
The fact that we had a wave of filmmakers, writers, actors coming into the industry who had less issues with gay people, and thus were willing to portray LGBT people is a sign of how social attitudes were shifting organically. The changing social climate allowed these writers, creators and actors to exist in the industry, and networks to air their shows.
Also, by your logic - that would make anti-gay teaching and media propaganda.
And you haven't answered my question: How should gay people be depicted in media?
2. If you watched Lightyear, and discovered that actually, it's a gay romance movie - that would be obviously false advertising and I would understand your objection. But this isn't what happened in this movie.
Skavau humiliates himself again with his utter wrongness and transparent bag of rhetorical tricks.
Namely, strawmanning, launching endless Hatchling questions, and now pivoting to another point once he gets publicly debunked.
All to gaslight readers into thinking homosexual activity in childrens entertainment is just fine 🤦🏻♂️
Skavau, show us how it’s done. Ask more Hatchling questions, and strawman my point by asking me if hetero kisses in Disney cartoons are OK, when you know full well we’re discussing homosexual activity. Go…
What strawmen have I made here?
>All to gaslight readers into thinking homosexual activity in childrens entertainment is just fine 🤦🏻♂️
I don't see why it isn't anymore "wrong" than when children's entertainment shows heterosexual kisses, as Disney historically has done many time.
"21. The Black Cauldron
20. Chicken Little
19. 101 Dalmatians
18. Wreck It Ralph
17. Cinderella
16. Frozen 2
15. Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
14. Bambi
13. Sleeping Beauty
12. The Hunchback of Notre Dame
11. Frozen
10. The Little Mermaid
9. The Lion King
8. Tangled
7. The Princess and the Frog
6. Aladdin
5. Beauty and the Beast
4. Pocahontas
3. Hercules
2. Tarzan
1. Lady and the Tramp"
All of these kid movies had kisses in. Was that wrong?
Since you won't click my youtube link, I'll just paste its description:
"21. The Black Cauldron
20. Chicken Little
19. 101 Dalmatians
18. Wreck It Ralph
17. Cinderella
16. Frozen 2
15. Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
14. Bambi
13. Sleeping Beauty
12. The Hunchback of Notre Dame
11. Frozen
10. The Little Mermaid
9. The Lion King
8. Tangled
7. The Princess and the Frog
6. Aladdin
5. Beauty and the Beast
4. Pocahontas
3. Hercules
2. Tarzan
1. Lady and the Tramp"
All of these kid movies had kisses in. Was that sexual?
We're all fortunate that Pixar has resisted their urge to release Buzz's gang rape at the hands of Lotsa Hugs and his henchmen, originally edited out of Toy Story 3
shareOffended? Nah
Annoyed? Yep
And I have the right, I have the right! I have the right!
My kids were like “why the 2 women kissed dad?”
I was like: “ remember that weird boy with long blonde hair and pink hat in your class who has 2 moms? Well this kid is in the the same situation here. “
“But where is the daddy?”
“ Y’all stop asking questions and watch the movie now. »
**awkward silence***
It sounds like it was two women. Disney would never dare to have two men kissing. Objectification of lesbians is fine with everybody.
shareThis is what you're upset about?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I97koLSCGI
JFC, move to Saudi Arabia.
It's all about normalizing aberrant behavior. This, and other methods of normalizing (like Drag Queen Story Hour, drag shows at kindergartens, trans "acceptance", etc.) are infecting society. If you can't see that, you are blind.
shareWhat makes being gay "aberrant"?
shareLet's just say I respect your beliefs and opinions and hope you respect mine. I'm not here to justify anything to anyone...nor do I expect to change anyone's mind.
Have a nice day.
I respect your right to hold that opinion (without elaboration on what it is you mean)
But I don't respect the opinion
Says more about you than Disney if you think being a homosexual is "aberrant".
shareYou can throw internet insults all day long. I don't have to defend myself or my opinions to anyone and I really don't give a shit if you have a different opinion. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
shareA lot of people like to excuse their homophobic or racist beliefs by saying "let's agree to disagree" as if that's really the sane or rational option, as if it makes you appear as respectful. There's really not any good reason to disagree with basic human rights.
shareLOL. Phobe and ists? That's all you have?
Human rights? LOL. Like any of you leftards give a fuck about that shit.
"...There's really not any good reason to disagree with basic human rights."
The definition of "basic human rights" is not finite and has been debated for centuries. During that time, many would "agree to disagree" and the disagreeing parties walked away without dismissive virtue-signaling, arrogant labeling, or negative judgment.
But...I understand...sometimes, people like you just can't help themselves.
42 YEAR OLD FATHER OF A TEENAGE DAUGHTER AND FRIEND TO MORE THAN ONE TRANS PERSON HERE.
ALL THOSE THINGS YOU LISTED ARE FALSE FLAGS...THEY JUST DON'T HAPPEN...AT LEAST NOT THE WAY YOU SEEM TO THINK...PEOPLE COME IN ALL KINDS OF PACKAGES AND CONFIGURATIONS...THEY ARE ALL PEOPLE THOUGH.