The 1995 movie is about a toy released as part of a movie, hence the different voice actor.
Sorry too weird for me to get my head around.
They should have stuck with Tim Allen and allowed Buz to have a fantasy.
If we can have films with a Lego Batman I don't see the issue with a "real" Buzz Lightyear.
shareIt would have been so much better if instead of the text right at the beginning explaining that this was Andy's favourite movie, they had just added a scene at the end showing Andy in a movie theatre with his parents saying "That was awesome, can we watch it again Mom, pleeeeeease?"
>>> a scene at the end showing Andy in a movie theatre with his parents saying "That was awesome, can we watch it again Mom, pleeeeeease?" <<<
All that would have demonstrated is that Andy had terrible taste in movies.
I like this idea.
shareAndy mom's apparently took him to a movie in 1995 that featured a happily married lesbian couple.
Andy's mom must have been REALLY "progressive" for the time if she was fine with that (less than 30% of Americans supported gay marriage at the time) and let him see it over and over again so it was "Andy's favorite movie".
Not to mention I'm not sure how she even FOUND a movie that had that kind of content in 1995 for ANYONE, let's alone a "children's movie"!
Yeah it's crazy.
shareWoke people don't think about that. They're always trying to push their agenda into the past. The History won't change. I guess they think people will remember things differently?
shareThe entire premise that this is the "real" Buzz Lightyear that the toy from Toy Story was "based on" falls apart if you give it even the slightest bit of thought.
The agenda pushing woketards at Disney COULD have gotten around this issue if they had simply used a present-day "framing device" of an ADULT Andy in 2022 going to see a NEW, MODERN "Buzz Lightyear movie", an "updated" revival of his favorite character from childhood. ("I hear they got some new guy to do the voice since the guy who voiced him when I was a kid died")
Hell, they could even have Andy watching the NEW movie with "Andy's Husband" and "Andy Jr." to make themselves doubly-woke and pat themselves on the back for how much they're promoting gay marriage to kids.
Buzz Lightyear is fictional within the Toy Story universe. Buzz is only REAL within his own movie.
I hear you about the double woke. They had a chance to do it and didn't. They also missed out at the end of SW EP 9. I thought the black stormtrooper and the rebel ace were going to kiss at the end.
The idea of a movie within a movie? I like it, very meta.
Too bad they decided to make it woke. For reasons that are not clear, that seems to make it impossible to be good.
Yep, everybody's saying it's not good. The movie's Woke-ness seems to be the reason.
shareI haven't seen it. Just basing that on other woke shit I have unfortunately seen. Quality and wokeness seem to be impossible to exist together.
shareThe only stuff non-woke nowadays is comedian's comedy specials.
sharePlenty of woke films are considered good by the mass majority. A false statement from you.
shareName the best one.
shareJust one? Avengers endgame. One of the highest grossing films of all time. Got plenty of critical acclaim and user acclaim.
shareNot a bad choice. Those who I talked to, describe it as a good ending to a massive story arc. The woke elements were flaws that managed to not sink it.
More and more, that type of thing is failing.
No I would not say so. Black Panther was a billion dollar film also. The batman grossed plenty of money as well. A badly crafted film is a badly crafted film regardless of it's political ideology. For instance a film can be centered around religion and be good such as The Ten Commandments or even Ben Hur. Then there are awful films centered around religion such as God's not dead. It is not what it's about it is how it's about it. Mad Max Fury Road is considered woke by your camp. It is one the highest rated films of all time. Both critically and by users. So no I disagree with you.
shareTime will tell. People are getting more and more tired of it. The Buzz Lightyear movie is looking to be a huge flop.
shareDepends on the film. Plenty of films your crowd considers woke does well financially. Meanwhile the northman a non woke film flops.
shareThat would be relevant. If anyone was claiming that all non-woke films would do well.
shareGo woke go broke sound familiar? It's an untrue statement. Non woke films can bomb just as much as woke films can.
shareStating that woke films go broke, is not claiming that all non-woke films do well. it is hard to credit that you did not understand this.
shareIt's said because your camp loves when a film that doesn't have their political ideology fails. You bask in that failure. Then wonder why people mock your views? What if the other side were to bask everytime a non woke film fails in the box office?
shareIt would not make sense. Non-woke does not mean it is pushing the opposite political agenda. It means that it is NOT pushing a political agenda and is just trying to be entertainment.
The two situations are completely different, even MORE different than being exact opposites. Different not like night and day, but different like night and chickens.
That also depends. There are films which are not woke that have right wing agendas. Such as the film produced by Ben Shapiro called run hide and fight.
shareHow is that relevant to anything we have discussed?
shareBecause you asked if there was any good quote unquote woke films. You want to make a film be bad simply because you disagree with the political ideology. I judge off the craft not the political ideology.
shareI'm not following you at all. My position is that wokeness ruins entertainment. That some entertainment fails for other reasons, has no relevance to that claim.
You want to judge films based solely on the result and ignore how or why the film might have failed.
That does not challenge my point. That is just you wanting to ignore shit. So?
And you asked me for woke films that were successful and I listed them. So you can't just say that as a blanket statement. Mad max Fury road is woke and it is considered a great film. Black panther was woke and is considered a good film. I know it burns you up but people don't need your approval in order to think a movie is good. In your mind no movie is good unless it agrees with your political ideology. Again I judge it off the craft. Can a woke film be bad yep but it can also be well made also.
Nope I never denied that a movie failing might be due to pandering. You also can't deny that there are films that lean left politically that do very well. So the term go woke go broke doesn't always apply now does it? You say that as if every left leaning film fails.
It does actually. You just can't see it.
That bit, where you claim that "no movie is good unless it agrees with my political ideology" is you talking shit.
If you were confident in your position, you would not feel a need to pepper your post with such baiting nonsense.
Not at all. Anytime you disagree with a film's political ideology you will not give it credit. Black Panther being called a racist film by you cracks me up. If it ain't white it ain't right.
I am confident which is why when you asked for good left leaning films I provided them. See un like you I can provide the proof and not offer up generalizations and assumptions.
I give it credit for that which it got right. I give it minuses for that which is got wrong.
Nothing I have said or done justifies shit talk like "if it ain't white". You are an asshole.
And a left leaning ideology will always be wrong in your eyes no matter the point it makes. Right=good left=bad, republican=good, democrat=bad. That is your mentality.
Oh yes it does. The fact that you said Black Panther is racist justifies this coming to you. I can't stand people like you.
You are talking shit.
shareNope I am stating facts. Which is why you can't refute them.
shareI'm dismiss your shit talk. FUCK OFF.
shareI AM IN NO WAY INVOLVED IN THIS DISCUSSION OTHER THAN COMING ACROSS IT AND READING IT...STRAIGHT UP...YOU MADE NO POINTS AND BARELY ANSWERED A SINGLE THING THE OTHER GUY SAID...PRETTY EMBARRASSING.
shareWhen he started addressing strawmen and lying about my positions, there is nothing for me to do, but point out that he is a shit talker.
I can't have a real discussion with a person who isn't responding to what I actually say.
Ehh, Avengers Endgame was decent in spite of the wokeness.
Also, let's not overlook the fact that Endgame is the sequel to not only one of the best superhero movies of all time, but one of the best fantasy adventure films of all time in Avengers: Infinity War.
That film set such a great tone and pace and had such a great character arc for its lead that even with Endgame dropping the ball in various areas, it was still decent enough to carry Infinity War's story to the finish line somewhat intact.
There are well crafted films with any political ideology. There are also poorly crafted films with certain political ideology. The batman is considered a great film. It got good reception critically and by users. It was also profitable. So much so that there will be a sequel. Avengers endgame got critical reception, good user reception and made tons of money. It is considered a good film not just decent. A movie doesn't need your stamp of approval in order for others to consider it great. Mad Max Fury road also is considered a great film. You can't just go woke critics because the mass majority also considers films like mad max Fury road great. Dune us getting a sequel fyi. You ever going to own up to being wrong?
shareIt doesn't matter if it gets my "stamp of approval", the fact of the matter is that Endgame wasn't as serious or high-stakes as Infinity War.
It also substituted a lot of the more mature and serious themes of Infinity War for comedic spots, like with Smart Hulk and the completely unnecessary scenes between Tony and Howard Stark, none of which added anything substantial to the movie or the plot.
They had a completely unnecessary fight scene with two Captain Americas, and more goofy hijinks involving the cube and the elevator sequence at Stark towers.
And don't get me started on how many ridiculous parts were added to the final battle sequence for no reason at all, like the all female fight sequence, which added nothing to the story, took away from the stakes of the battle, and made zero sense in the context of the battle.
Infinity War was a tightly compacted story that stayed consistent to what story it was trying to tell. Endgame was not. The first half hour of Endgame was good, and the rest of the film should have stayed as tight knit as that, but it didn't. It's not even really an opinion, it's just a basic fact of how the movie is structured.
Again that's your opinion. I personally actually agree I liked infinity war better I was just pointing out by the mass majority they consider it to be great.
You presented how you didn't like how the movie was structured. Someone could have preferred it for the very reasons you disliked it. You are not the sole authority on quality.
The mass majority liked it as a continuation of Infinity War. I'm sure if they had to actually separate and rate them as two wholly different films (which people will eventually start doing in the coming years) they'll start rating Endgame lower than Infinity War. I think I have Infinity War at 9 or 10, because I really couldn't find any flaws in it. But I have Endgame rated much lower for all the obvious reasons I mentioned before.
Even you had to admit that Infinity War is better for the reasons I mentioned. Deferring to mass appeal doesn't detract from the obvious flaws the film has.
That's hypothetical. Nope actually a person could come up with reasons as to why they thought Endgame was better. Just because a movie has less flaws does that automatically make it better than another. It can but not always.
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Andy mom's apparently took him to a movie in 1995 that featured a happily married lesbian couple.
so "really progressive" means "being among the 30%"?
Also we had movies with lesbians, gays and trans people all the way back in the 80s. Sure they werent summer blockbusters but they were there.
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Fictional movie that lives within a fictional movie
Not unprecedented. See: Itchy and Scratchy in The Simpsons.