Ryan McCarthy vs. Johnny Lawrence (Karate Kid)
Who would win in a fight between these two?
shareIf Johnny couldn't beat Daniel, he would get destroyed by Ryan. That's how I see it.
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No offense, but you don't know much about MMA do you? It is a full contact sport which ends in: Submission, Knockout, Disqualification, Decision, or lastly your corner man throwing in the towel. It's no contest Ryan would completely destroy Johnny.....for that matter he would kick Kreese, Miyagi, and Terry Silvers azz too....
Chewy from Chelsea Lately would whoop Daniel's azz with a couple weeks of MMA Training....
In a street fight MMA's utilization of multiple disciplines there is just no comparison.
Ryan had training with all of the 3 MMA Categories:
Stand-up: Various forms of boxing, kickboxing/Muay Thai and forms of full contact karate are trained to improve footwork, elbowing, kicking, kneeing and punching.
Clinch: Freestyle, Greco-Roman wrestling, Sambo and Judo are trained to improve clinching, takedowns and throws, while Muay Thai is trained to improve the striking aspect of the clinch.
Ground: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, shoot wrestling, catch wrestling, Judo and Sambo are trained to improve ground control and position, as well as to achieve submission holds, and defend against them
Karate is 1-Dimensional. It's great if governed by a referee, there are points, and rules. It's also effective against someone "without" extensive self defense training/disciplined training, such as a bully, or over confident attacker. Maybe the drunk dumbazz who's bark is loud, but when push comes to shove is a puss.
Karate just like Boxing are both pretty much worthless against a skilled MMA Fighter.....
Thinking that your black belt in Karate gives you a edge or chance in the brawl against a skilled MMA fighter is like taking a knife to a gunfight
...you took this a bit too seriously.
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Ryan McCarthy, Johnny was a prissy punk atleast Ryan was a manaic to boot
shareI think Ryan would kick his ass.
I think Ryan's Dad versus Terry Silver from Karate Kid III would be a great fight though.
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No offense, but you don't know much about MMA do you? It is a full contact sport which ends in: Submission, Knockout, Disqualification, Decision, or lastly your corner man throwing in the towel. It's no contest Ryan would completely destroy Johnny.....for that matter he would kick Kreese, Miyagi, and Terry Silvers azz too....
Chewy from Chelsea Lately would whoop Daniel's azz with a couple weeks of MMA Training....
In a street fight MMA's utilization of multiple disciplines there is just no comparison.
Ryan had training with all of the 3 MMA Categories:
Stand-up: Various forms of boxing, kickboxing/Muay Thai and forms of full contact karate are trained to improve footwork, elbowing, kicking, kneeing and punching.
Clinch: Freestyle, Greco-Roman wrestling, Sambo and Judo are trained to improve clinching, takedowns and throws, while Muay Thai is trained to improve the striking aspect of the clinch.
Ground: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, shoot wrestling, catch wrestling, Judo and Sambo are trained to improve ground control and position, as well as to achieve submission holds, and defend against them
Karate is 1-Dimensional. It's great if governed by a referee, there are points, and rules. It's also effective against someone "without" extensive self defense training/disciplined training, such as a bully, or over confident attacker. Maybe the drunk dumbazz who's bark is loud, but when push comes to shove is a puss.
Karate just like Boxing are both pretty much worthless against a skilled MMA Fighter.....
Thinking that your black belt in Karate gives you a edge or chance in the brawl against a skilled MMA fighter is like taking a knife to a gunfight
These MMA geeks truly kill me, seriously...
In a street fight, what is the first thing that 99.9% of the combatants do first? Drum roll please... THEY START THROWING PUNCHES!!! And nobody is better at throwing punches, dodging punches, and setting up their punches than boxers.
And you say boxing is "worthless" against a skilled MMA fighter? Is this why most MMA fighters try to get as good as they can in boxing? Is this why many of the most successful MMA fighters, are the guys that are the best with their hands? And even the best MMA "strikers" hand skills are laughable compared to boxers. So let the MMA guy try to be a hero and stand and trade with the boxer, it's good night sweet prince.
And you're also forgetting to mention that the Ocatagon is also a controled environment too. There are rules, regulations, and a referee also. So to try to compare a sanctioned MMA bout to a street fight is just ridiculous.
Plus boxers are in supreme condition, the best condition of ANY sport. They are prepared(if need be) to fight anywhere from 20 - 30 minutes straight.
And if you think a boxer, somebody in karate, MMA fighter, just some guy off the street, etc, etc, etc... is just going to let you take him down without a fight, you have truly been watching too many movies.
Put a skilled boxer in octagon against a skilled MMA guy, and I will give the edge to the MMA fighter. But the boxer has a far better chance than if the tables were turned and the MMA fighter had to go the ring. The Boxer wins hands down. In an uncontrolled street fight, I'll take the boxer.
You might want to go and ask some of your MMA buddies, and if you know any real MMA fighters, how dangerous a skilled boxer is.
P.S. Johnny Lawrence would beat the shyt out of Ryan....
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If Johnny fought like say... Lyoto Machida does (which he could), then he would definitely kick some ass. But Johnny is way too hot headed for that and would most likely get too aggressive and *beep* himself up.
share[quote=Thomas-FordJr-1]These MMA geeks truly kill me, seriously...
In a street fight, what is the first thing that 99.9% of the combatants do first? Drum roll please... THEY START THROWING PUNCHES!!! And nobody is better at throwing punches, dodging punches, and setting up their punches than boxers.
And you say boxing is "worthless" against a skilled MMA fighter? Is this why most MMA fighters try to get as good as they can in boxing? Is this why many of the most successful MMA fighters, are the guys that are the best with their hands? And even the best MMA "strikers" hand skills are laughable compared to boxers. So let the MMA guy try to be a hero and stand and trade with the boxer, it's good night sweet prince.
And you're also forgetting to mention that the Ocatagon is also a controled environment too. There are rules, regulations, and a referee also. So to try to compare a sanctioned MMA bout to a street fight is just ridiculous.
Plus boxers are in supreme condition, the best condition of ANY sport. They are prepared(if need be) to fight anywhere from 20 - 30 minutes straight.
And if you think a boxer, somebody in karate, MMA fighter, just some guy off the street, etc, etc, etc... is just going to let you take him down without a fight, you have truly been watching too many movies.
Put a skilled boxer in octagon against a skilled MMA guy, and I will give the edge to the MMA fighter. But the boxer has a far better chance than if the tables were turned and the MMA fighter had to go the ring. The Boxer wins hands down. In an uncontrolled street fight, I'll take the boxer.
You might want to go and ask some of your MMA buddies, and if you know any real MMA fighters, how dangerous a skilled boxer is.
P.S. Johnny Lawrence would beat the shyt out of Ryan....[/quote]
I guess that means Bruce Lee sucked. He used a Hybrid martial arts. That's kind of what Mixed martial arts is. You take all the good and throw out all the bad.
So if I learn Muay Thai, Kickboxing and elements of Judo, Taekwondo, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu I'm going to lose to a boxer right.
Again Bruce Lee learned more then one style of fighting and made a hybrid in which you use different styles of fighting and defense meaning that the guy who just knows karate is out of luck against someone who knows kickboxing, karate, and kung fu add to that Judo and taekwondo and the person who knows karate is going to have there ass handed to them.
suchanoob you are.
Boxing is not worthless, agreed. Boxing is a very important fundamental skill that helps MMA a lot.
But fights don't last 20-30 minutes, and if you think the boxer can always keep the wrestler/judoka at bay with his flawlessly fast hands and footwork, you have truly been watching too many movies.
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Johnny was a creame puff
"It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."
No one from the Karate Kid universe would be able to defeat Ryan in a street fight. End of story.
shareYou having a giraffe? Johnny wouldn't last ten seconds.
shareJohnny would "put him in a bodybag"
End of story.
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This. Except maybe Mr. Miyagi and Sato.
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They are elderly men! This is absurd. They apparently have no defense for grappling skills on top of that. Ryan is in the prime of his life. There is absolutely no way either of those two would last more than a minute with Ryan.
Royce Gracie was a devastating fighter in his prime, but he was defeated by Matt Hughes very easily. The same would happen to Mr. Miyagi and Sato.
Ryan would make Johnny tap in 2 minutes. Johnny wouldn't even know what happened.
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LOL, forget about MMA altogether. Watch Royce Gracie in UFC 1-5 who was only disciplined in BJJ and had VERY mediocre stand-up skills. The whole purpose of the UFC was to show which martial art was the best, and was ultimately created by the Gracie family to demonstrate that BJJ was the best. After winning UFC 1,2, and 4, Royce proved it is the best martial art (at that time) and is still used today for virtually all subs in MMA.
Now in all of this, Gracie fought a shoot fighter pro (Ken Shamrock), a former pro boxing champ (Art Jimmerson), an Olympic wrestler (Dan Severn), a Kenpo karate master (Keith Hackney), and defeated all of them by submission. All of this was in 1993-1994.
Today's generation of UFC/MMA fighters are highly skilled in all areas of stand-up and grappling let alone that Gracie was only highly skilled in BJJ. Johnny would only have a chance to go for a KO before ultimately getting put on his ass and submitted by Ryan.
LOL, forget about MMA altogether. Watch Royce Gracie in UFC 1-5 who was only disciplined in BJJ and had VERY mediocre stand-up skills. The whole purpose of the UFC was to show which martial art was the best, and was ultimately created by the Gracie family to demonstrate that BJJ was the best. After winning UFC 1,2, and 4, Royce proved it is the best martial art (at that time) and is still used today for virtually all subs in MMA.
Now in all of this, Gracie fought a shoot fighter pro (Ken Shamrock), a former pro boxing champ (Art Jimmerson), an Olympic wrestler (Dan Severn), a Kenpo karate master (Keith Hackney), and defeated all of them by submission. All of this was in 1993-1994.
Today's generation of UFC/MMA fighters are highly skilled in all areas of stand-up and grappling let alone that Gracie was only highly skilled in BJJ. Johnny would only have a chance to go for a KO before ultimately getting put on his ass and submitted by Ryan.
This is stupid. I got into BJJ because of Royce and I have great admiration and respect for the Gracies but those early UFC were simply glorified informercials.
Royce would have been stomp by strikers like Rob Kaman, Mike Tyson and even wrestlers Mark Coleman and Mark Kerr. Hell even Tank Abbott.
There is no "BEST SINGLE STYLE" it is all about how the fighter utilizes that style.
Remember that Royce came in there wearing a gi and look like a Karate dude. No one expected what he would bring to the table, and when they realized what BJJ was about, they had to go back to the drawing board and study the style. That is why Kimo, who was not even a martial artist like that, gave Royce such a difficult time, or why Shamrock and Royce went to a 30 minute draw. Because they had studied the style and expected what Royce would bring to the table.
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Johnny Lawrence was buff Ryan was a scrawny kid and even though being a girl I could not give a flying what so ever about male macho sillyness I think its obvious Johnny would win easily.
sharethat's kind of a tough one but I think Ryan would probably kick his arse. Now Ryan vs Barnes could be interesting. How would Jake do against Johnny??
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