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Sadistic, counterproductive movie

posted 14 years ago by mats_bj
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So I watched this move today.. The first 15 minutes was somewhat good. The portrayal of the lead characters was authentic, and they easily dragged me into "their shoes", however the rest of the movie was utter *beep* There were no real building of tension after they captured the guy, it was just mindless, gory torture. Now if you believe this is enough to bring to the table in order to make a film satisfying to watch, I think you should sit down and ask yourself why you enjoy watching this gruesome *beep*

Let's be frank here.. The story was not original, the twist was easy to predict, the story was filled with holes, and all in all it's just a compilation of scenes portraying violent, absurd behavior in order to MAKE YOU QUESTION YOUR POLITICAL VIEW ON THE DEATH-SENTENCE? COME ON! You won't make people support your view by making a movie showing bizzare, disturbing, violent inhuman behavior. What this movie tells me is that all humans can turn in to monsters under the right (WRONG!!) circumstances, and it's better to zeal the fate of one too many, than one too few.. With that being said, I have to state that I'm generally against the death-sentence, with some exceptions.

In my opinion, the only good thing about this movie was the acting, the rest of it was useless.

If you are the type of guy that stop, pull out your glasses and inspect every single detail of a severe motorcycle-accident then sure, I can recommend you this movie, but then I would also like to use the opportunity to recommend you to visit a psychiatrist. However, if you are not that kind of guy, then I would advise you to stay the *beep* away from this *beep*

[–] ClintJCL 14 years ago

News flash. The point is to make you question torture [like that we are doing in Guantanamo], not the death penalty. If you recall, the death penalty was never on the table. The guy was going to get life in prison with no parole, but then it turned out he was going to get 25 with parole [which means getting out in 10 yrs]. That's what made them make their decision - that 10 years is not enough. Had nothing to do with the death penalty.

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[–] mats_bj 14 years ago

That depends entirely on how you look at it. The man is sentenced to 25 with parole, a sentence the lead characters can not settle with, so they decide to go vigilante and sentenced him to death by their own hands. The torture is just a *beep* up way to entertain horror/gore-fans. What I get from the movie is that they get the wrong man and punish him for something that he did not do, something that happens to be the baseline for the arguments against the death-sentence. If they actually wanted to point the spotlights on torture I think they went in a crash-course direction, and the movie "Unthinkable" happens to be ten times better. As a matter of fact, I don't think your statement makes any sense at all.. Care to elaborate?

Go flash somewhere else..

[–] ClintJCL 14 years ago

Yes - If they just wanted him to die, they could have easily killed him at the car crash.

(The justice system gets the wrong person all the time, too.)

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[–] Maximus_19 14 years ago

all the time?

Been watching too many Hollywood flicks have ye?

[–] ClintJCL 14 years ago

Not "all the time" as in "100% of the time", but "all the time" as in, pick any day, week, or year, and there is someone being framed or wrongfully convicted for something. But hey what do I know - I only read about 20 headlines of police misconduct a day, and I've only been doing this for about 6 years. Maybe all those judges in the lost lawsuits were wrong. What do I know? What do they know?

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[–] sign543-6-320217 10 years ago

Don't you just loathe a know-it-all, pedantic, blather-mouth know-it-all? I do. Go argue with yourself. Thanks. :)

[–] FeistyCadavr 13 years ago

I think every murderer should not only get the death sentence, but in fact be tortured. Inhumane? The monsters that kill innocent individuals are inhumane. The old cliche "an eye for an eye turns the whole world blind" is a farce. An eye for an eye might deter some would-be murderers.

[–] sc_taylor 13 years ago

You, SpookShaw, are a complete idiot. Fortunately you are part of a tiny minority. The death penalty is immoral, which is why it is gradually being stamped out in all civilised parts of the world.

If it is wrong to kill, it is wrong to kill. Which part of that do you not understand?

[–] FeistyCadavr 13 years ago

That's SpookSHOW sc_gaylord. Now you go tell that to the families of murder victims. Murderers and torturers and rapists of innocent women and children. Scum bag.

The family should have to only ONE vote on the death penalty. If someone did that to my kid I'd do everything possible to make sure they lose their life.

It's gradually being stamped out? I'm in the minority? The USA, China, Japan, uncivilized?

[–] djsnafu23 13 years ago

NO, the US and China surely not uncivilized....Just like you!

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[–] sign543-6-320217 10 years ago

<<The family should have to only ONE vote on the death penalty.>>

Actually, if you understood psychology and human tendencies, you'd understand why we don't let the victim's families decide the punishment. Can you imagine? Your idea of a consequence could be so bizarre and sadistic, just because your brain isn't wired correctly. Instead, we use studies and as much objectivity as we can to determine what a proper application of justice is in a HUMANE society. We don't ask the parents of a tortured child what the perp should get. Can you imagine the vast array of consequences that would be applied, all of them likely to be more bizarre and sadistic than the crime itself?

Think outside of just your own head. It helps in gaining a sense of objectivity and common sense. :)

[–] corpus_callosum 12 years ago

sounds like you need to learn about context.

apply some.

killing a killer is not in the slightest bit the same as killing an innocent person.

[–] Tracey73 10 years ago

The death penalty is immoral, which is why it is gradually being stamped out in all civilised parts of the world.

I can almost guarantee you that your mind would change if this were your child who was murdered.

The beauty is I'm learning how to face my beast ~ Blue October

[–] sc_taylor 12 years ago

Oh yes, the death penalty as a deterrent to "would be murderers" - works really well in the US doesn't it! Idiot.

[–] sign543-6-320217 10 years ago

Actually, studies prove otherwise. Criminals, particularly psychotics and murderers, don't think of consequences because they suffer from anti-social tendencies rendering them not particularly concerned with consequences, in part, because they believe the laws don't apply to them, and, second, that they won't get caught. Bringing back the gallows, burning at the stake, etc...won't deter psychotics like this. Your categorical statement about the "old cliche" is a fine opinion...but, just stating it doesn't make it true. You might want to elaborate if you want people to understand WHY it's a farce. Because you say so? Uh...no. What makes it a farce? What led you to that conclusion?

Just MY opinion. :)

[–] LukeLovesFilm28 10 years ago

That is NOT the right perspective for a civilized society. We have a justice that allows everyone a fighting chance... aside from anyone accused of rape, strangely enough. You're asking the system to kill and torture someone when - like this movie displays, that suspect could actually be innocent. There have been a few cases just recently where convicted criminals were found not-guilty, because the arresting officers fcked up. If the system was run by you, those INNOCENT people would've died by now. That's not right. That's sick.

But, trust me. I completely understand where you're coming from. I understood where these young parents were coming from in the movie... at least, in the beginning. Personally, at one point, I think they went way too far... and I love horror films. At one point, I had absolutely no sympathy for these two characters.

However, if it was my child and I found this POS myself, I don't know what I would've done. Watching these fictional characters in these movies, we're able to comment on their actions and choices from an outside perspective. But, it all changes when you're faced with these horrible realities.

[–] kuntext 9 years ago

Luke -

That is NOT the right perspective for a civilized society. We have a justice that allows everyone a fighting chance... aside from anyone accused of rape, strangely enough. You're asking the system to kill and torture someone when - like this movie displays, that suspect could actually be innocent. There have been a few cases just recently where convicted criminals were found not-guilty, because the arresting officers fcked up. If the system was run by you, those INNOCENT people would've died by now. That's not right. That's sick.

It's not some big mystery. It's deliberate. Rapists harm all men. THAT, is a part of the crime. So, there's this shameful backlog of untested rape kits going on in the U.S.. Some guys get set free once the DNA is tested. Rapes continue every few minutes and you don't see millions of men fighting to change that. Looking at facts based on results, it looks to me like rape culture is just fine and dandy until you're the one who is raped or you are the one mistakenly judged.

Bottom line, if you've never so much as signed an online petition to fight against rape, in a society which suffers its harms every few minutes, then please know that you (the general you) are exactly what is meant by the term, "rape culture." You either support the fight against rape, or you promote it through apathetic acceptance. If it takes throwing innocent guys into prison where they get raped, to spread the word among men that it's a guy's issue, how sympathetic can people get?

I digress, but had to clear that up. It's not strange. It's a choice. Perhaps guys should show some empathy and get involved a bit sooner. I don't advocate injustice. I'm just saying that the rapists have loads of support when guys only speak out about rape when they are talking about being mistaken for one of the predators. I wish men no harm but... I am also aware, as a woman living in a rape culture, that women live under the constant threat of rape whereas men live that way only once they are in prison.

But, trust me. I completely understand where you're coming from. I understood where these young parents were coming from in the movie... at least, in the beginning. Personally, at one point, I think they went way too far... and I love horror films. At one point, I had absolutely no sympathy for these two characters.

However, if it was my child and I found this POS myself, I don't know what I would've done. Watching these fictional characters in these movies, we're able to comment on their actions and choices from an outside perspective. But, it all changes when you're faced with these horrible realities.

I'm against the death penalty, supermaxes and torture. I am for life in prison, especially for a crime like this.

I thought this film took a situation in which almost anybody could understand how parents could crack. I thought it was easy to see that these people couldn't breathe, couldn't live... the crime ended whomever they used to be, so it's as close to "justified" as could be. I'm a bit disturbed at myself because I think I would have done far, far worse than they did.

I thought the film was excellent, except for the weak, rushed ending.

~~~~ SCANDAL - "Thinking is for losers!" Best satire ever televised.

[–] chilone 11 years ago

So apparently the OP thinks a horror/thriller, fictional MOVIE is supposed to be "productive"??

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

[–] oocpaka 11 years ago

You totally missed the point of the film, I feel sorry for you...
Under great deal of emotional / physical pain every human being has a breaking point and will be willing to accept and actually believe something they did not even do.
A prime example of this would be a Catholic church, which through out the ages got confessions out of innocent people using the same torture ways.
I don't want to sound rude or throw any insults towards your intellect, but maybe you should stick with simpler movies like Transformers, Lord of Rings... etc :))

[–] sign543-6-320217 10 years ago

<<I think you should sit down and ask yourself why you enjoy watching this gruesome *beep* >>

I think you should get off your high horse and realize that what anyone likes to watch is none of your business and they don't have to ask themselves *bleep*. Everything you said here is just your opinion. Happy Sunday! :)

[–] nepentheberyl 9 years ago

At this point forensics, confessions, even things "caught on tape" are not 100% certain. There is photophop, there is someone setting someone else up, the science and art of forensics isn't accurate 100% of the time. Not only can evidence itself not portray the truth, we need to understand the persons state of mind, was it manslaughter? Was it murder? Was it neglect? What was the intent? And then lastly we have a system that barters and bargains with criminals for more information for a shorter sentence, which is wrong, despite how much I know that information is needed. We have lawyers whose only stake is less money, where its not their life on the line if the wrong man is convicted or a murderer goes free. Same for judges.

If there was a way we could know the truth without error then I could understand the death penalty for those who had no chance of redemption. Until then I rather spread less misery. It is one thing to have something precious taken from you and another to have your life or your freedom taken. Having your meaning, your raison de'tre taken from you is earth shattering. But that doesn't mean innocent peoples freedom should be taken away. If you can't live without your raison de'tre then don't. Just don't punish someone in your idea of justice(the word we are looking for is revenge) because you can't go on.

This movie lightly brushed against many of these topics and could have been better if it picked one or two to actually dig deep on rather than being a shocking "conversation starter"