I felt like he could have killed Echo, but he was pulling his punches with her.
With Yelena, I'm still on the fence about their power scaling. I'm not entirely sure who would actually win if they went all out against each other. I do agree with the other guy though that I don't think Clint was trying that hard. His inability to subdue might just mean that he doesn't outclass her enough to be able to subdue her alone, if that makes sense.
This is gonna sound like a cheesy, absurdly personal analogy but if I'm playing a game with someone, and I'm better than them...
I can't pull my punches unless I'm significantly better than them. Because if I'm much better, I have an understanding of how I can manipulate my own advantage while acknowledging theirs.
If I'm only a little bit stronger than them, I can probably still beat them every time, but if I tried to slow down the pace of the game, I'd just end up losing.
So in my mind, Clint doesn't outclass Yelena to the point where he can punk her (which is what I think he did with Maya). But for Yelena, if he fought enough to protect himself, he'd probably beat and injure Yelena, and he doesn't want that.
One could also argue that he does partially blame himself and doesn't mind being the whipping boy there, but I won't take it that far.
Marvel has pulled this heroes can't beat the villain a little too much lately.
...I'm trying to be optimistic lol
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kuatorises (7467)
3 years ago
I don't remember Clint outclassing Maya. I remember her being the aggressor and then him subduing her when he broke out his sword. I admit I have only watched each episode once, and some of these are several weeks old, and I could be wrong, but I don't remember Clint winning a single fight against someone who wasn't a henchmen.
He was trying to fend off Yelena at first, but I don't buy the "he wasn't trying to hurt him" when it gets to the point of him trying to kill her. What was he going to do, let her kill him because he didn't want to hurt her? It just came off like he couldn't beat her at a certain point.
I liked this show quite a bit - I found it to be extremely entertaining - but there were several things about it that bothered me.
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alienzen (1931)
3 years ago
Clint beat both Kate and Maya. He didn't lose any fight. In the final showdown with Yelena he knew she was Natasha's sister, he wasn't going to try to win that fight.
In fact He beat Maya when she had dozens of henchmen to protect her. He took out all of the Henchmen and beat Maya quite quickly. He could have killed her if he wanted to.
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acidraindrop (3055)
3 years ago
I'll have to rewatch the Maya fight. I just saw that like a day or two before I wrote this, but I'm pretty he was advantaged; I did feel pretty confident about that.
I was gonna rewatch the Yelena fight anyways cause I said, I'm honestly still trying to decide how I feel about it. To be perfectly honest, part of me is also oscillating on the possibility that he doesn't really care about dying either. Yes, he wants to get back to his family. Yes, he had the whistle as his trump card. From his very first appearance in this show, Clint feels like a character who's only a few feet from the ledge.
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