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We need to talk about Kingpin

posted 3 years ago by alienzen (1931)
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First of all, does he have super soldier serum in the MCU or what? That was a bit confusing.

He was definitely different here to the Netflix shows. More comicbook maybe. I don't really feel like he was done justice though. He came across as pretty incompetent and not at all intimidating. After the build up, a bit disappointing.

All of the echo scenes in the final episode felt like a drag, and I wanted to get back to the action with Clint and Kate whenever she was on screen. Overall I enjoyed the final episode, but all of the Kingpin and Echo stuff was a big letdown.

Also, I was reallly expecting an end credit scene with Kingpin to confirm that he was in fact alive. He really seemed tacked on to the show when all is said and done.

[–] Rorikon (17940) 3 years ago

His total body fat is as low as 2%. This means that 98% of his body is pure muscle. That's what allows him to be as strong as he is even against super powered characters.

[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 3 years ago

He is killable in the comics but its difficult. The way he is written he is slightly superhuman. He has survived being stabbed over 20 times in a coup attempt and several gunshot wounds. I've made my peace wit the character.

I liked what they did with him in this show. His talk with Vera had that same menace seen in the DD shows. Even his fight with Kate was cool to me. He schooled her as it should be. Agreed that there should have been a scene showing him alive but as is always true, if you don't see them die then they aren't dead.

I hated that in the span of 10 seconds, her mom ousted the corpse and drove that car far enough away for ramming speed.

Never liked any of the Echo stuff. Weakest part of this show (tied with that Broadway show that someone's boyfriend actually wrote so of course we have to see extended footage)

[–] alienzen (1931) 3 years ago

That was another bizarre thing. The last episode was over an hour long, so I was thinking "they are really going to do something good with Kingpin". It was the longest episode of any Disney+ show so far I think. But no....it was just a 45 minute episode with 10 minutes of that stupid musical at the end. In the first episode it was cool, because it was supposed to be cringey and was only about a minute long. But they decided to cap off the series with THAT and it went on forever.....and all the time I was expecting an end credit scene showing that Kingpin was still alive. Such a bizarre choice. The musical was something that belonged in a DVD extra.

[–] ExTechOp (2770) 3 years ago

No need to show Kingpin still alive - its pretty much certain he is

I was a little unclear about who was scared of whom though

Barton kept worrying that "the big guy" might be involved, and ep. 5 confirms that he meant Kingpin

Yet in the finale, it seems like Kingpin's more worried about Barton's involvement than vice versa (though it's understandable that he might not want the attention of even a single Avenger)

Maybe its just my preconceptions. For all his physical strength, Fisk and his entire gang would be curb-stomped by Rhodes in his armor. So I'd expect confrontations between Fisk and ANY Avenger, even Barton, to be more of a chess match than an MMA brawl. They need to gather evidence and nail Fisk dead to rights LEGALLY, or risk Fisk just playing the victim, invoking the Sokovia Accords and suing the Avengers into poverty.

The moment it becomes a street fight, it loses credibility. There's NO REASON Barton should try to take him on solo (Kate and the LARPers don't count) when Rhodey, Bucky and Sam are likely just a phone call away.

[–] alienzen (1931) 3 years ago

" its pretty much certain he is"

All the more reason to show him. There is no reason NOT to show him alive.

[–] SteveG (1370) 3 years ago

I thought he was awesome!

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Not intimidating? He's played exactly the same by the same exact guy.

Kingpin, where in a comic, cartoon, or live action show, has always been one of those characters that they insist doesn't have powers, but clearly doesn't things people can't. He is a fat guy who moves like lightning and can thrown adults around like pullows. Christ, he has fought Spiderman, who is capable of throwing cars. He is very obviously a lower-tiered superhuman, but for whatever reason they are hell-bent on saying that.

All of them move like superhuman. Kate, Yelena, Maya... except Clint. It's ok if he gets rag dolled.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

I haven't yet seen DD season 3, but I didn't find his physicality in this show to be incongruent with his depiction in S1 and S2. In terms of the comic book source, Kingpin is definitely supposed to be physically powerful, more than the average human being. Kinda like how Steven Rogers isn't technically superhuman despite the super serum but can obviously do things that a human being in real life can't do.

Even Clint's and Natasha's feats aren't exactly reasonable. I think Kingpin's durability here is on that level.

But yeah, he felt tacked on, just like Maya...so maybe it makes sense how that all worked out. Because honestly, the alley way scene only held service to the Maya storyline, which is already largely irrelevant outside showing us the impact of what Ronin did (but then it's not like Maya went back to fight Clint one last time either, so yeah...lol def tacked on). I loved seeing him survive the arrow explosion sequence, but then to lead into that alley scene, it's just like, really?

This is not the fearsome kingpin we saw in DD.

[–] ColdOfWinter (147) 3 years ago

They made a bad decision with Kingpin. He is suppose to be cold and calculating. There should be some level of dread when he gets involved. His "attention" should have made the whole situation messy and nearly impossible to successfully maneuver in the city. Kate's mom should be dead, hell, Kate should be dead. If he can't carry out something this simple in HIS own town, then he just isn't the same character that we see in the comics and/or the netflix series.

Disney needs to stop doing this with their villains. They are either comic relief, pathetic, or misunderstood anti heroes, and if they create one that is worth a damn they make it a point to kill him off almost immediately. It would have been nice to have a bit of a rogues gallery built up by now.