I saw one older episode of this show where Gordon was upset that the shephard's pie was made with beef instead of lamb. I always use beef when making shepherd's pie and every restaurant around here that serves it also uses beef. I don't think I'd want to eat it if it had lamb. Lambs are way too cute to eat.
shareI don't eat anything that once had a face. They're all sentient beings with the same ability to experience fear, pain, grief, loss, etc. So if *I* were going to make shepherd's pie, I'd use Morningstar Farms Recipe Crumbles. I use those for everything, from fajitas--which multiple people have commented are the best thing they've ever eaten--to spaghetti to tacos and sloppy joes.
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Shut up vegan *beep*
Dude asks if you would eat BEEF OR LAMB. FACE, MEAT. Nobody cares about your BS vegan/vegetarian (who cares?) diet and your stupid lifestyle choice. You're lucky you live in a country who can support your BS dietary choice. 500 years ago you would've been eaten by a lion or cheetah for sure.
Thankfully, not all people who participate in animal cruelty, as you do, i.e., the meat industry, are as defensive as you are toward those of us who choose not to. I never quite get why my choice to NOT abuse animals should provoke such strong, defensive feelings from people who DO abuse animals.
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Because you are all so preachy with it.
Just say, "I would cook it with *insert non meat item* as I choose not to eat meat."
You don't have to say "Once had a face" and then go into your spiel about animal cruelty and their 'feelings' making anyone who doesn't abide by your lifestyle seem like an ignorant being.
You know what? You're lucky that we can manufacture all the crap these days and ease of grocery stores to live your lifestyle. You know who made that possible? ALL your ancestors who SURVIVED on meat so they could pop you out.
lol i am not a vegan but he literally didnt even preach about his lifestyle at all. you are just a stupid c unt and I want to eat you while alive and screaming, bitch boy.
share"I don't eat anything with a face, they are all sentient beings.." is preaching, so stfu. You're the biggest bitch on here if you're that easily pissed off at a movie forum post. Reply when you've hit puberty in 5-10 years.
shareYou're a *beep* troll. I analyzed the pacing/content of your posts, and literally EVERY post was to agitate someone to flame you for not eating meat, at which point you could continue to agitate them with "blahblah animal abuse".
Shut the *beep* up. Stop your *beep* Seriously.
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You GO, Grace! That'd be my ingredient of choice, too. Well done for making the best possible decisions regarding food. Last night I successfully passed off Morningstar Farms "chik'n" patties as regular chicken parm, to two decidedly non-vegan family members--neither of whom complained or even noticed the swap. ;)
Oh, and you wouldn't have been eaten by a wild animal in the past just because you opted to eat the wide array of plant-derived foods instead of flesh. No such BS bogosity even makes one lick o' sense!
It's not the right choice of food. People need meat/protein. The only reason you vegan douchenozzles are able to live your lifestyle is due to the all the chemically altered food choices we have available for your emo bitchy asses.
shareSure it is. There haven't been any unnatural ingredients in any meat substitute or specifically-vegan products I've ever bought. In fact, whenever I compare the labels of such products with those of their meaty counterparts, the former contain about the same amount of protein and other good stuff (typically more)--and significantly less saturated fat, cholesterol, and other less-desirable stuff. Win-win. Meat is far from being the only source of protein; it's lumped in with the other top sources such as nuts and beans. You don't have to take everything from each group. I'm sure some people do need meat/animal products for some specific reason or other, but don't believe that's the case for most. And I can't see food as constituting a lifestyle (except for foodies and chefs and whatnot); it's just something that organisms unfortunately require...but the only b!tch-@$$ "emo d0uchen0zzles" are those that try to argumentatively criticize the choices of others instead of asking questions, listening, and civilly explaining personal reasons.
shareWhat in the hell are " Morningstar Farms Recipe Crumbles "? Are they a meat substitute and what's in them?
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Shepard's pie is made with lamb.... as Gordon pointed out ... "shepard/sheep"
Cottage pie is made with beef.
I'm not an expert by any means but this has been discussed to death on the Food and Drink forum.
Traditionally shepards pie is made with lamb. I dont know if it's an American thing or if the term shepards pie eventually just meant savory pie made with meat.
I live in the US but here in New England, shepard/cottage pie isn't a big thing so you almost never see it in a store or on a menu. Our thing is chicken pot pie, which you see everywhere.
The closest thing we have to shepard/cottage pie is beef stew or New England pot roast dinner. It's made in a pot, not in a pie and there's no crust or pastry topping.
Maybe it's more common in another area/region of the US, but honestly i never even heard of either until i started reading food forums.
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I've never heard the term Cottage Pie. Though, when I was in elementary school they would make what I know as shephard's pie and call it Chinese pie. I have no idea where they got that name from as it's certainly not Chinese. I heard somewhere that Chinese pie has corn and shephard's pie has peas and carrots, but I don't think that's accurate. Anyway, I realize that shephard's pie refers to the sheep, but the mashed potatoes is what makes it looks like sheep. Hence, you can still call it shephard's pie without the lamb. Have you ever heard of vegetarian shephard's pie? As the name implies, it has no meat whatsoever.
shareI've never heard the term Cottage Pie either.
You know what I wish I could replicate--from my meat eating days--in vegetarian form? Swanson Hungry Man Chicken Pot Pies. I LOVED those things.
So all this talk about Shepherd's Pie, does anyone have a recipe they'd like to share? As noted earlier, I'd substitute Morningstar Farms Recipe Crumbles for the meat, and I'd throw in my magic ingredient--olive oil--to mimic the greasiness.
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I have a very old cookbook, passed down in my family, with a Shepherd's Pie recipe. It calls for lamb, but there is a footnote that details a Cottage Pie. That's indeed Shepherd's Pie with beef, at least according to my cookbook and Ramsay. I had never used the recipes and no one in my family ever made either. A few years ago on Top Chef, they had to modernize "classic, American comfort food" and Shepherd's Pie was one of the dishes. I'm curious as to where Shepherd's or Cottage Pie is a classic comfort food in the US. Seriously, I had never heard of either until watching Ramsay, which led me to research the recipe. Imagine my surprise when I owned a cookbook with a recipe! We had an Irish pub/restaurant come into town a few years ago and they are the only place that I've ever seen Shepherd's Pie on a menu. (It's made with lamb.) I have since made Cottage Pie, but my kids didn't really care for it, so it was a one time experiment!
shareWhich old cookbook is that, dmrmlr-1? I have one passed down from my husband's side of the family, and just thought it would be a hoot if it's the same cookbook!
Now that I think about it, I'm really not sure that I had ever heard of Shepherd's Pie pre-Ramsay either. I don't know...but I don't think so. Perhaps it's one of those old-time comfort foods that have fallen out of favor in the US, so it's predating our time.
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Grace, it's an old "Joy of Cooking". No one ever used the recipes, but way back, that was apparently a common gift to a bride!
shareShepherd's and Cottage Pies are not actual pies (like an apple or cherry pie) they don't have a crust or pastry. The "stew". (Meat and veg" are on the bottom of the casserole dish (or individual sized casserole dishes) and the topping on th is made of mashed potato. They closest they come to a pot pie is that they all start with a sort of stew like filling of meat and veg. They are British (Scottish and Irish) in origin.
shareMy mum used to make Shepherds Pie from left over Sunday roast Lamb. She would mince the lamb up in the mincer, add a gravy and then top it with mashed potato, make streaks across the potato with a fork, can top with Parmesan cheese for crunch, pop it in the oven until heated and the top browned. She added carrots, peas etc to fill it out a bit. It was one of my favourite dishes from childhood and continued onto my family.
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Alan Shepard was America's first astronaut. Shepherds tend sheep and have shepherd's pie named for them.
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Ramstein was being a dick as usual.
Yes, a “shepherd” implies sheep.
But being correct doesn’t always mean being right.
In USA, lamb is, relatively speaking, quite uncommon. Uncommon enough that, when you get it, it is something “special.” And special is not ground lamb thrown into a pie. Special is "rack of lamb” that you get at a fancy restaurant or whatever.
The point is, it is not a common ingredient purchased for the home by American families, with perhaps the exception of certain ethnic groups. On the other hand, “hamburger meat” is considered to be the American staple.
So, when you’re making the cheap-ass dish that is the American version of “shepherd’s pie” - not even a pie, but just junk thrown in a casserole dish with mashed potatoes on top - you’re gonna use ground beef. And that’s how most American’s understand it.
Call that concoction - the precursor to Hamburger Helper - “Cottage Pie” if you like, but it’s still what it is.
That being said, I love lamb, and I would prefer to eat the “real” shepherd’s pie. But that isn’t going to happen unless lamb suddenly becomes a common thing in the USA. If I want lamb, I go to Mediterranean (shwarma style) restaurants, or i order goat at an Indian restaurant or something.
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As for a good shephard's pie recipe, I mix ground beef with carrots, peas, and creamed corn. Then I sprinkle cheddar cheese on top of the potatoes. Soo good. Probably one of the best dishes I make. You might also consider mixing onions in with the beef to give it a little extra flavor.
shareDoes shepherd’s pie (note spelling) need a recipe? OK, onions, peas, whatever…
I’d rather eat/make Ma Po Tofu. Perhaps that’s the real “Chinese (non)Pie”!
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As for a good shephard's pie recipe, I mix ground beef with carrots, peas, and creamed corn. Then I sprinkle cheddar cheese on top of the potatoes. Soo good. Probably one of the best dishes I make. You might also consider mixing onions in with the beef to give it a little extra flavor.So there's no saucy ingredient? I figured it would have like a mushroom or brown gravy type sauciness to it. As for onions, they're my FAVORITE food! So I'd definitely include those. But no meat, as noted earlier. And then, what?, you just slap mashed potatoes on top? and then bake it?
Well, the creamed corn gives it kind of a sauciness. Yeah, after you add the vegetables you put mashed potatoes on top, sprinkle some cheese on top of the potatoes, and then bake it. I personally like instant mashed potatoes better than fresh mashed potatoes. Something about the saltiness I guess.
shareThe only English person whom I know makes cottage pie with 1/2 lb ground beef, peas & carrots, and yes, gravy, all topped of course by the mash. He does occasionally add onion to the meat, but insists no other ingredients are allowed.
sharePersonally I am not a big fan of Shepard's pie.My mother has only ever made it with beef.When i heard Gordan say that it's made with lamb I was like "Ohhh...that makes sense.".
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Personally I am not a big fan of Shepard's pie.My mother has only ever made it with beef.When i heard Gordan say that it's made with lamb I was like "Ohhh...that makes sense.".
I mean we eat fish tacos, for God's sake.
I had "Cottage Pie" in England and it was one of the best meals I had ever had overseas.
Shepard's Pie is made with LAMB
Cottage Pie is made with BEEF
That is the difference.
This.
The only reason you find Shepard's Pie made with beef in the US is because A) we don't know better, and B) the US isn't a big lamb eating country; we do beef and pork way more than we do lamb.
Whores will have their trinkets.
I use beef as well.
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