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Saw the Burton Batman and was startled by how much better it was than this


Don't get me wrong, I found this movie entertaining, but it really and truly is a Saturday morning cartoon. The Burton movie is dated, so it's not exciting on a visceral level, but the characters have some sort of psychology driving their behavior, so the story is compelling on that level (you know, because movies used to be about people, in some fashion or another). Keaton's Batman is an obsessed weirdo who has a personal stake in killing the Joker. Ben Affleck's Batman is a guy in a rubber suit who needs to do things to move the goofy plot along and make the CGI go boom.

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Burton Batman is visceral.

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Maybe in 1989, but I just don't find it's action scenes thrilling today. They're not really Burton's forte, or why I still have affection for the movie. The only scene with a visceral punch is the final fight up the bell tower and the confrontation with the Joker.

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The Tim Burton Batman movies never hid what they were and never pretended to be "serious" and "dark" and "mature".

They were all levels of goofy, because Batman is a corny character http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/blogs/awesome_of_the_day/batman300-1.jpg?1337866434

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There was corniness sure, but what I really appreciated was the "wackiness". There were wacky, kooky touches that wouldn't make it into a modern movie, because they all have to be close to these perfect, safe, competent boring ass Marvel movies. Wacky touches abounded that let me know that a human was at the helm of this venture, and not a quip machine like Joss Whedon or a glorified camera operator like Zach Snyder. I miss stuff like that. I also like that Batman was a movie first, and a comic book second. Jack Nicholson and Michael Keaton brought their adult, and not really kid-friendly personas to the project and injected this corny comic book world with their quirks, their cynicism, and their adult neurosis. I like that Michael Keaton, in particular, really wanted to do something comic and oddball and psychologically intriguing with his Bruce Wayne. The part was underwritten, so he kind of just snuck in these interesting touches, or did interesting things with his eyes to hint at things that aren't in the script. Older movies have more personality. Ben Affleck's Batman is earnest, and not especially interesting. Ben Affleck's Batman isn't really weighed down by adult concerns or anything human really, he's just trying to move the plot along. There's no character to play.

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You had Dolph's Punisher from the 80's. Far from a safe Marvel movie.

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I am not sure that is all that surprising, I can watch Batman 89 any time and still enjoy it. The newer batman trilogy is a one and done viewing for me.

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I dunno. I never get tired of seeing Anne Hathaway's Catwoman straddling the Batcycle.

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Do you remember when the burton batman came out? It was way darker than anything batman at the time

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I edited my earlier comment about Bale's Batman, I meant to say Ben Affleck's Batman. Whoops. I do appreciate what Nolan was trying to do with the Batman universe, and I appreciate that 1.) it was a self-contained universe, which aided suspension of disbelief and 2) they were movies first, and comic books second.

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Not to mention Keaton's batman is the best batman.

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Let's see...Michael Keaton or Ben Affleck?

It's not even close. Keaton would own Affleck in any role.

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