Religious propaganda?


So we have a new heroe who wants to fight evil because (as he says) in the 1600´s nobody cared to fight it. Evil pagans ruled the world. But thanks to God and Solomon,the good guys, they'll get rid of evil (still waiting).

Mmmm, a little problem here. In the 1600's there were a lot of wars among Christians, they were killing each other because they thought the others were evil. Chrisitians ruled Europe and Christians were killing innoncent people. Not only that, we had the Inquisition killing more innocent people. We had a lot of saviours helped by God (or so they thought).

You may say "it's an alternative world". Yes, an alternative world created by someone very religious who wants to make us think that religion solves everything. Well, he must look back at history.

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As I have not yet seen the movie, I can't really comment on its quality. However, it sounds as if the film's creators cherry-picked aspects of Solomon Kane's character to suit their vision for the character, and in doing so, managed to twist facts about Kane as written by his creator, Robert E. Howard.

As conceived by Howard, Solomon Kane was a puritan adventurer (a bit of an oxymoron) who was driven- for reasons never fully explained-- to hunt down evil wherever he might find it. There was no book about Kane written by Howard, only several short stories, short story fragments, and three poems. However, at various times over the past years, publishers have gathered these writings into a collected volume.

Most of Kane's adventures took place in Africa, where the majority of the people he encountered were, indeed, pagans. He also wandered England, France, and Germany, as well as parts of the Americas; most notably Patagonia, South America, where he had a fictional encounter- based on an actual historical event- with Sir Francis Drake.

As written by Howard, Kane was a humorless wanderer who was not on a mission to convert pagans to Christianity or, alternatively, kill them for failing to do so. He generally would encounter some wrongdoing and then set out to punish the wrongdoers. In fact, in "Red Shadows," the first published tale featuring Kane, he is determined to track down a group of bandits who have killed a young girl. He tracks their leader, a man known as "Le Loup," across France and to Africa.

Neither Le Loup nor his band are ever described as pagans. And Kane's pursuit of them is driven more by the desire to avenge the death of the girl then anything else.

And nowhere in Howard's writings was there any hint at an origin story as the film's producers have apparently created. Nor was there any hint in Howard's stories of any religious progaganda. Kane's Christian roots were pretty much just background to the character's personality.

That doesn't mean the film producers might not have had some kind of agenda, but I can tell you Howard's only agenda in writing the Solomon Kane stories-- or any of his other characters' stories-- was to get published, entertain the readers, and get paid.

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Define religious propoganda, please, because this movie deals with religion in a purely superficial manner if you ask me.

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Oh yes, everyone I know isntantly became religious after watching Solomon Kane. This movie is totally out to recruit people. You are so acute and observant!

Meh...


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My God, what utter drivel some of you people spout. It's just a movie. You think I watched Star Wars and decided to become a Jedi? Get a grip! There's no propaganda in this whatsoever, religion is just the backdrop for the film. I never thought "Oh... Good versus Evil, religion, can't watch it"... BECAUSE IT'S JUST A FILM!!! And The Omen, The Da Vinci Code or Indiana Jones? Religious propaganda too? Please, get out more! And come on, what propaganda is self defeating? They burnt a witch in the movie. How many witches does ANYone know of throughout the entirity of history who actually defied the flames and killed everybody watching? Hm? Just one perhaps? There must be *one* somewhere!? No? Oh, how surprising! So the religion that this film sets out to supposedly promote, promotes burning people at the stake? GET A GRIP!

"A witch you say?"

"Yeah, she turned me into a newt!"... "...I got better..."

Monty Python? Bloody religious zealots!

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YES, to the OP. This movie is religious propaganda. I watched it just now, and first thing from the intro that came to mind, omg, this is so religious propaganda, infected by islam "morals" using christian weakness against themselves to show how crap christian actually is.
I was thinking in that first opening scene, gonna make a thread about this on IMDB but the OP was already on it, glad to see im not the only one who can see beyond the special effects and computer mombojumbo.
All im saying, it is typical to portrait the "hero" as a mercenary of the good ol christian faith invading islam country and commiting utter barbaric acts, then have him commit some more utter barbaric acts on christians just to show how christian faith really works, yay islam, riiiight?
I am sure alot will flame because of what i said here, but i dont mind, it is disturbing how easily they can go around fix this stuff and you all fall for it. it isnt a question about whos wrong or whos right in the big picture. Islam or christianity are both evil, heck every single religion is an utter act of evil and anyone following one should be burned at the stake. It doesnt matter what god you believe in, all that matters is that you believe in the god that has been proclaimed "a god" by the guys that pulls the strings, the ones that are in charge. That is what religion is, christian, islam, whatever the *beep*, it is mass mindcontrol, and those that control the most of you idiots wins.

In it this movie actually shows it perfectly, wich makes it a decent movie viewed from this side of the coin. It uses the superstitions about witchcraft and such and uses it as a means of fear and as a "what if". Only to show that this kind of thinking is totally rediculous, in other words, making christian believes look like utter crap. So i ask you, if the story was reversed, Solomon would be an islam hero instead of a christian, would it make it any better ? Does only christians have these kind of massmurdering "heros" or did we forget 9/11.

Movies like these only strenghten my opinion, religion is the worst enemy of mankind, and as long people will believe in a greater being, wichever it maybe in your view of things,

you are doomed.

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The worst enemies of mankind are stupidity and ignorance. Unfortunately and fortunately at the same time religion and stupidity and ignorance are intertwined. Religion can be very good and very bad for the ignorant and the dumb. You know, the "sheeple".

People will do stupid things and evil things whether they are religious in nature or not. Many of the dumb and ignorant will use religion as an excuse for these acts. But at the same time these same dumbass "sheeple" may just as well be affected in a good way by their religion. Simple as that.

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Oh, I'm so not getting into a religious debate on a movie messaging board. Nonetheless...

All im saying, it is typical to portrait the "hero" as a mercenary of the good ol christian faith invading islam country and commiting utter barbaric acts, then have him commit some more utter barbaric acts on christians just to show how christian faith really works, yay islam, riiiight?


For an allegedly pro-Islam movie, there's precious little Muslim content. I don't think we even see a Muslim character after the first five minutes.

Oh, and the writer/director of a film is an atheist. Not sure how that fits into your theory.

Movies like these only strenghten my opinion, religion is the worst enemy of mankind


Don't be naive. If there was no religion, mankind would still be fighting over everything it's fought over throughout history: power, money, resources, territory, control. Religion isn't the worst enemy of mankind: mankind itself is its own worst enemy.

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Oh, I'm so not getting into a religious debate on a movie messaging board. Nonetheless...


Yur right, me neither so i simply gonna ignore that one trying to explain that statement. Its to complicated and i just woke up.

For an allegedly pro-Islam movie, there's precious little Muslim content. I don't think we even see a Muslim character after the first five minutes.

Oh, and the writer/director of a film is an atheist. Not sure how that fits into your theory.


See above.

Don't be naive. If there was no religion, mankind would still be fighting over everything it's fought over throughout history: power, money, resources, territory, control. Religion isn't the worst enemy of mankind: mankind itself is its own worst enemy.


And that, is the reason why i not gonna bother explaining to you. Mankind would STILL be fighting over everything, so they stopped then? Since when ? Everyday i watch the news, that isnt real then, a reality soap series im not aware of ? Or I must live on another planet where on yours theres total worldpeace ... maybe an alternate universe ?

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Where did I say mankind stopped fighting? Wouldn't that undermine my own argument?

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My God, what did you lot think when you watched Harry Potter, Star Wars or Lord of the Rings?

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I think you're overanalyzing a bit due to cynicism about religion. It was a decent film, though.

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Oh for fücks sake. You are as stupid as those christians who get mad at films for portraying scientific explanations for things.

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Didn't you just love 'Paul' too?

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stfu

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take religion for what it is .... a fairy tale it is as true as star wars are.. but that doesn't mean it can not produce a good story... the only problem i have with this film is that solomon looks too much like van helsing..

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