All through tonight's episode they kept saying how the crypts are safe, they must have said it 10 different times. Which has to mean they aren't safe right? Which i immediately thought right when they started saying it, but a minute ago it just occurred to me the Night King could raise the dead thats in the crypts.
Also alot of the early promos/teasers for this season was focusing on the crypts, i never knew why until now.
I had forgotten about that theory. It's a really good one and as you say, the foreshadowing definitely seems to be there. It would be really cool if it happens.
I wonder if Ned Stark is buried there too. I remember someone (Tyrion or Jaime?) sent his bones back to Cat Stark at one stage.
I think those statues down there contain the person's ashes. They're aware of the dead being raised; the Night's Watch burns all their dead for that very reason, Jon wouldn't send people into the crypt to take refuge unless it wouldn't be an issue.
If Winterfell is taken by the Night King, either he has the ability to sense the living people underneath him (in which case they're screwed) or he doesn't (in which case they're probably going to be safe). The army won't stay there long. He has no interest in taking and holding territory. Once they moved on and marched south, the people could come out.
If Winterfell is taken by the Night King, either he has the ability to sense the living people underneath him (in which case they're screwed)Not if they have an emergency secret passage leading out of there. share
It would be like the Three Eyed Raven's cave, but with a whole bunch of children in tow and no Hodor. Most of them would be chased down and killed.
sharePretty sure theres bones down there of the dead, and i'd assume Jon probably doesn't think the Night King would be aware of the crypts which is why he wouldn't think about the corpses down there being a threat.
shareI'm not sure the Night King would have to know about the crypt. If there are intact skeletons down there, they'd probably reanimate if he did what he did at Hardhome, to raise the dead still above ground. Every body in the area would come back. They'd have two problems. The small number of people down in the crypt who can fight, and the possibility that the Night King might become aware of the place (and the children hiding there) through his link to the wights.
shareHave we seen completely skeletal wights yet? Or have they always been a bit fleshy?
shareI dont think anyone down in the Stark crypts is... together enough to be of use to the Night's King.
shareAs long as they're intact skeletons there he can use them. I mean as i said alot of the teasers for this season was the crypts, and again they repeated the crypts are safe like 10 times in that episode, theres no way that doesn't come into play.
I can't see them just running into the crypts to kill them all down there, its gotta be some twist that makes the crypts not safe like they thought, i mean Jon wouldn't assume the crypts was safe if the dead just walk around winterfell and find it and go in there.
Well yeah, a there's got to be A BIG REASON that the crypts have a new starring role in the credits and that everyone's talking about them in the dialogue.
But I don't think the re-animation of long-dead Starks is it. Ned is the only major Stark who's died within the last decade and he's been beheaded, his brother who died 20-odd years earlier was burned, and that leaves headless Ned and his father as the only two corpses likely to have any connective tissue left.
Rob & Catelyn ... could be down there, too.
shareOkay, that leaves the possibility of three or four wights down there, with thousands of pissed-off and desperate humans, some of whom are capable of fighting. Tyrion and the little girl could take out three or four wights!
shareOr Starks and maybe Catelyn too are immun to the Knight King and return conscious ...
That would be a major turn of events ...
Ummm, did we ever learn what happened to the bodies of Rob & Catelyn? If they had been returned to Winterfell, they surely would have mentioned that at some point. Of course, it’s completely possible that they did and I just missed that bit…
shareThe bodies of Catelyn, Robb, and Mrs. Robb probably weren't returned to Winterfell. In the books it's established that Catelyn's body is tossed in the river, and the show's writers cut what happened after that for extremely valid reasons. I don't remember if what happened to Robb's body is ever discussed, but the odds of the Stark corpses being returned to Winterfell are very low, because the Starks were no longer in control of Winterfell by that point.
Basically, there was no possibility of anyone's remains being sent from the Frey stronghold to Winterfell until Arya attended their little party, and Arya doesn't seem to have brought any corpses along when she returned to Winterfell.
You’re absolutely right. Moreover, even IF somebody hat claimed the bodies, I doubt Walder Frey would have granted the request. After all, that requires a little bit of honor and decency.
But what about Lyanna Stark?
We know her remains are in the crypt. She died when Jon was born, so depending on the climate in the crypt and the way the sarcophagi are sealed, there might be a "fully intact" skeleton. As for Ned… well, if GoT would be more "z-nationesque", a headless skeleton would rise and grab its skull to put it back in place. This probably won’t happen, but – do the wights even need a head to be able to fight? As far as I remember, we’ve never seen a headless wight, but that doesn’t mean that it’s an impossible thing…
Still, I don’t believe that this is what will happen in the crypt. It’s a bit too obvious, a thing that will make half the audience cry: "SEE? You’re not safe in there, told you so!"
But something will happen…
Catelyn was thrown in the river on the show and Robs body was desecrated. We are forgetting that Rickon was freshly interred.
shareReminds me of Lewis Black complaining about how they trained kids to hide under their desks in the event of a nuclear attack.
shareTo me it seems incredibly stupid that the one house that has this big weird underground crypt where they store all their dead ancestors is also the house with the phrase "Winter is Coming", the house that remembers the Long Night the most. Too stupid. The Stark ancestors are either individually protected with iron around their coffins or the entire crypt is enchanted. There's no way the Starks have been storing a dead army for generations to aid in their own undoing.
shareHmm, I have to say I don’t agree here.
After a few the centuries, even the people of House Starks didn’t believe the storys about the White Walkers anymore, or at least thought that they have ceased to exist. Maester Luwin told Bran that there is no magic in the world. When Ned Stark beheaded the renegade from the Night’s Watch who said he had seen White Walkers, he didn’t go: "Arrghhh, they are back? We have to prepare for their attack!", he said: "A mad man sees what he sees."
He didn’t even try to find out if there’s some truth about what the renegade claimed.
In my opinion, their warning "Winter is Coming" probably referred to the White Walker originally, but at the time the story started, even the Starks themselves interpreted it as a warning regarding the natural hardships of winter: Deep cold, no harvest etc.