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Someone who REALLY understood this - Explain to me (LOTS OF SPOILERS)


I'm not above admitting I'm wrong, or that I don't understand something. This movie is either full of BS or one of the best love stories I've seen in a long time. I just don't know, because I have plenty of questions.

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This is my take on the movie. Daddy either molested Woman once or frequently. Which leads me to ask this question: Why would she be hooked on soft core porn? This is a woman who is a shut in, has no job, no friends, no nothing. Yet the one thing she does is watch soft core porn. That makes no sense. The thing that made her a shut in, is the thing she's obsesses with. What could she learn from it?

Man has an addictive personality because he was a junkie. Why would he stick it out with this weirdo? She goes beyond average damaged. She was never nice to him, EVER. She completely treated him like garbage. Obviously he ended up going to that guys house and staying, so it's not like he really needed a place to stay.

Why did Woman treat him like such trash? What was the reasoning behind it?

Here's a recluse, who after a few bizarre get together' watches soft core porn with him every night. Yet won't touch him, doesn't want him to speak, and is generally annoyed by him. Freaky is not even freaky enough to describe this relationship.

Obviously there's a motif or theme of Good Dick, Soft Core Porn (not being true intercourse), and the clerk who couldn't get his girlfriend off. But, how does it all come together for this couple?

If someone can give me a reasonable breakdown of what was going on, I'll change my thought that this movie was just a huge dump of BS with unrealistic characters. I want to, because the performances were excellent.

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I'm not sure because I haven't been in the situation but I've heard that sometimes if a woman is abused they develop some sexual habits that they may not have otherwise had. I'm sure the way she lived her life all stemmed from an abusive childhood.

I think she was probably lonely but didn't want to admit it. And I think she liked having him around but didn't want him to know it. Why else would she bother letting him stay with her if she truly hated him? I think she treated him like garbage because she was afraid of her own feelings and was trying to push him away. Him pursuing her was making her realize how messed up her life really was and she couldn't handle the reality of it.

As for him, I'm not really sure why he stuck it out for so long. I'm sure he was lonely too and possibly mesmerized by her. She probably peaked his interest and maybe in the beginning he thought it to be a mysterious challenge. And maybe he just wanted to try and save her. His side of it wasn't quite as clear to me but this is the way I saw it.

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the following are my interpretations based on my limited knowledge of abnormal psyche, and the nature of people.

answer to question 1
The addiction to soft core porn is a subconscious attempt to regain control via the measure that it was taken away from her, her sexuality. (like when she bent him over and dry humped him in an aggressive manner) if she'd doing it and its not being "done to her" she feels safe.

question 2
He endured her abuse because of a low self image(im a former addict, i live in a car and i work at a video store...i don't deserve better than this), and because of sex. There was an elephant in the room at all times, a big ol' sexual elephant, while they weren't having sex it was still a major thing on both of their minds(constantly watching softies is going to cause your thought life to be dominated by such themes) I'd like to think that he eventually really developed some kind of semi-healthy feelings for her, but they were both really messed up so no telling.

question 3
there's a phrase "hurt-people, hurt people" she didn't want anyone close enough to hurt her again, she had extremely low self esteem from the abuse, and as such developed a disdain for anyone who expressed interest in her because in her mind they were either A. a molester/rapist or B. very pathetic if she met their standards(because of her own low self image) Also, her father was mean to her, and molested her...the number 1 relationship in her life that was supposed to model a male to female love was so messed up that negativity, aggression, and sexual perversion are subconsciously intermingled with "love" so when feeling of love or affection began to come up for the male lead it was expressed as aggression, domination and the couple times she simulated a rape act on him.


question 4
Soft core porn is all she knows about intimacy, its the safest intimacy she knows...she's traumatized and loathes/fears the physical touch of a man, does not want to make herself emotionally available because that two would cause her pain, but its obvious she's not happy with her life, all human beings deep down want to have some kind of connection with someone...and this, as messed up as it was, was one of the only ways she knew how to be "intimate" with someone watching a skinemax flick with the dude.

question 5
I'm not sure if there is a motif other than sexual dysfunction as a symptom of a deeper emotional problem.

again...all simply my interpretation

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one more thing, i think his affection for her is something more than just sexual...like when she shows him the hardcore stuff and he says he doesn't like it, and its a turn off, it like says to her its not the reason he's interested in her, when she tried to boil it down to "oh this is what you want from me" he answers the right way and says no its not.

for more insight check out this interview with Marianna palka

http://www.complex.com/blogs/2008/10/14/filmmaker-marianna-palka-talks-good-dick/#ixzz0PFhYDhZm

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I've read her interview and director's statement. While I understand these answers, and appreciate them. I'm going to have to go with, this was a really poor character study. Because, when you get down to the nitty gritty (dialogue and character actions) they lead to too many unanswerable questions (not just the ones I asked).

If you take this movie scene to scene, not just the big picture, there are plenty of contradictions. Not scene contradictions, where they lead to the big picture. But, character contradictions, that don't lead to deeper characters, but poor storytelling.

People who enjoyed this, will gloss over these contradictions. I personally like my movies to make some sense, especially when the film is a character study and not straight narrative.

Personally, I found this movie highly entertaining, with terrific performances from everyone. But, it ended up being completely unsatisfying for common sense reasons.

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Your vagaries leave us with nothing but the awareness that you have an opinion. Thanks for the insight.

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raqanroll-- brilliant, thorough, insightful. well said.

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I got the feeling that she was continuing to be molested. Something about him supporting her in the way he did with the apartment reminded me of Brittany Murphy's character in Girl Interrupted. She was watching porn without penetration. I think it was her only way to escape, sexually.

About him sticking it out with her, I don't think it is because he has an addictive personality, I think some guys are born to want to be with women who treat them like dirt, just like women who love men who treat them like crap. I think not only did this become appealing to him toward the middle of the movie, the two had a lot of chemistry on screen. I think he was instantly attracted to her, obviously, in the store. I mean, chemistry makes people do things that look stupid to other people. I have been attracted to guys who are average looking, not very smart, but there is just something about them.

I don't think I am giving you a reasonable breakdown, but I loved the hell out of this movie. Please don't think these are unrealistic characters. I went through a period of two years where I treated my baby's father like this and worse on a continual basis. I started going to counseling and now take an anti-depression medication. After I had my kid, my seratonin levels were very screwed up. I think the mind is a very powerful thing as well and she has had some horrific physical responses to her depression caused by the rampant molestation she has suffered through.

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I understand her trauma, I just don't necessarily agree with her choices. They contradict each other. But, that's the screenwriter's fault.

I also thought that the father was continuing the molestation. But, if that were the case, then Man would have had to have run into him at some point in time. He spent all his time at her place. He didn't. As a matter of fact he mentioned "You never answer your father's calls".

There's just too many holes in the story. Lots of little things that don't add up. Individual scenes from this were excellent.

As for you treating your baby's father like crap. Was he sticking around for two years without having sex? Sex for a guy is a pretty powerful thing. If you're sleeping with him and treating him like crap, he'll put up with it. But, two years of nothing and being treated like crap. Then he has some issues. For me personally, if I don't have sex regularly, my mood gets darker. Then I have sex, and I'm back to normality. Luckily I've been in an excellent long term relationship.

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I don't treat him like crap anymore. I think I have more issues than him as far as being so nasty versus he putting up with it. We haven't had sex in three years. We live together and parent together, just have different bedrooms. A lot of people have a problem with us, but things are great now. I can't say that he hasn't had sex in three years -- I don't know for sure. But I haven't. I made a promise to myself when I got pregnant that I would put him first for the rest of my life. I worked in the court system for years and have seen many women duped by men into trusting them and I am paranoid that dating is just a bad idea. I am proud of our family, though. It hasn't been easy, but we have settled into a great routine and I don't dare take that away from my son. You might say as well that I don't adapt well with change. My father was an extreme alcoholic and my mother stayed with him until he died in 2006 (a few months before I got knocked up) and I am glad she did.

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as i saw it:

he meets the girl in the store so he falls in love with her then his addictive personality gets the better of him when he tries to pursue her.

and yes she is damaged so im guessing he identifies with that. the reason that she is so frigid and mean is because that is the way her father treated her when he was raping her(calling her ugly and annoying and clingy- like a child would be because it happened when she was little).

she doesnt know how to act (hence the violent humping with jason at the table) she doesnt know what a loving sexual relationship is so she acts out what she remembers and sees in the movies.

as you can see at the end of the movie her father basically controls her life to keep her from telling anybody what had happened.

and im guessing the title comes from the way she talks about guys' dicks. cause when she was being mistreated thats how she remembers it- that the men in her life and their dicks are "bad". with jason ritter he is good man who loves her so he is good therefore making his dick "good"

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I think your questions are well intended. I applaud your willingness to give this movie a chance and do some mental work to figure it out. I think more people should do that with challenging movies. The kind of people who are satisfied with the commercial big star flicks aren't going to do this.

But after giving that a chance, sometimes the conclusion to make is that the writer actually didn't write consistent well-fleshed characters and didn't tell a good story. I think you said as much in one of your subsequent posts, and I'm in agreement.

I give this movie credit for some good things, It was original. These were unconventional characters and an unusual situation. It had some good moments. (I like the scene where the old guy came into the video store and talked about how important it is to be with someone, and the young guys were so respectful to him. That was nice.) It held much of my interest because I wanted to see just where it would take me next. But in the end, it didn't seem to me that it really took me anywhere.

I'm a movie viewer who doesn't care for most of the commercial mainstream mass-audience-pleasing movies. I look for things that are different. However, what I find with many of these indie Sundance circuit films is that they're full of quirkiness that might be charming, but they don't really have anything to say. The makers of these films might be talented on a number of counts. But they just don't know how to tell a good story.

We got a little bit in the way of some vague answers as to what might have traumatized the girl into being the strange one that she was. But not enough. And even less about the guy. I can already hear fans of the movie saying "You're provincial, because you need everything spelled out. You don't appreciate a film being an open canvass on which your imagination is going to have to do some work." Okay, fair enough. But when is that a legitimate artistic vision, and when does it become an excuse for the writer and the director to not to do the hard work of crafting a vision?

One of my favorite movies of all time is Remains of the Day, because it is a film that leaves much to your imagination, but does it right. The strongest things said in the movie were powerful precisely because they were never said, i.e. they weren't explicitly laid out. What's the difference between the two films? The difference is that in Remains of the Day is you at least had the basic facts of the characters' lives. You spent time with the characters; you got to know them. The thing they left to you imagination is precise details of what the characters were feeling. But the writer had logically consistent whole characters worked out in his head.

But in Good Dick, they didn't flesh out the characters so well. I think the writer probably started out with some good ideas. But she just tossed it around with a few quirks and eccentricities, some attention-grabbing gimmicks, some quaint dialogue, and she thought she'd written a script.

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She did write a script, she just didn't write a script with your requirements. Everyone is different. I don't think it is fair to say the script is flawed or lacking just because it doesn't answer questions you feel are best answered plainly. The film is presented this way for a reason, just like neither Man nor Woman have proper names. I think she was actual intentional in all of these things and taken as a whole it creates the specific landscape for the movie she was probably going for.

In regard to porn and sexual abuse -- people can still watch porn and part of it is because they may have been introduced to it via the abusive person in their lives but it gained a foothold in their minds. Like she says, she also "jerks off" and wants him to accept that she has sexual needs, too. It's her way of dealing with her own sexual issues. Just like how some women who are rape victims end up as prostitutes or in bad sexual relationships. Sometimes with sex you can go either way -- withdrawing and becoming almost asexual, denying your sexuality.....or becoming hyper sexed, experimenting, multiple partners etc. It's a lot to do with self esteem and self respect.

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Well, maybe it was a little harsh of me to say she hadn't written a script. Just not a good enough script, IMO. I do think it had some good things going for it, as you pointed out. I liked the device of not giving either character a name. It suggests to me that the characters are universal, that they could be any one of us. But in the end, I just thought the film needed something more.

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I liked the concept of the movie. A lot of symbolism was going on and it did tell a story of its own. Also depending on personal interpretation to the ending, it makes for a complete story. The problem I had with the film was I was barely interested the whole time. I didn't feel curious as to why the characters were the way they were. I always finish movies that I start to give a proper critique and I just feel that you can execute the same messages in a more interesting way than what was given. I'll give it a 5 out of 10 because i've definitely seen worst and I approve the concept, I just feel it could have been executed better.

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You hit the nail on the head. It's not a terrible movie. It has some redeeming qualities. But at the end, you've hardly gone anywhere with these characters. Every "breakthrough" they have happens...because it happens. Because that's how it was written, not because that's what the people would do. The plot advances slightly, and at the end, it's barely even a story.

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