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It's Not Religion's Fault


"Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out...and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel. ..And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for "the universal brotherhood of man"--with his mouth." - Mark Twain.

A lot of people have tried to justify what happened in this movie by comparing it to the real world.

I like Marvelcomics and here's what Captain America said to iron in one of them. He could just as easily have been talking to the USA:


"Because he (Mark Twain) was talking about YOU (USA). YOU made this war (on terror).

You birthed it into existence by sheer force of will. And NOW look at you... king of the world!! I want to know!!

I want to know what the hell made you think this was your job to do? Who made YOU the moral compass of us?

How could you laid down with the people you've laid down with?"


And I will continue:

Do you know who these people are, the ones you've laid down with? Do they give a rats ass about you. Do they care that the US economy is down the hole while they siphon of even more of your hard earned money?

And while they're doing that, they continue to blame you for everything that is happening to them, and you, because of their evil. Do they give a damn what will happen to you?

After all, you're not the chosen people. Why should they care about you?

All they want is your money and for you to fight their wars...

And drag us, my country, down with you.

I'm a Briton and proud. And I say leave them to their own devices and then see how brave they are.

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Mark Twain has always been a stupid ignorant fool and so are you

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And you're just an idiot.

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"Many quotes found on the internet are false"
- Abraham Lincoln -


This is particularly true of Mark Twain.

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It IS religion's fault. People do terrible things because of various reasons, but religion can make people so deluded, that in the scenario presented in the film some of them would be willing to sacrifice their children because, if tortured in a "holy war" they will "go straight to heaven".

Oh, by the way, Mark Twain was an atheist...

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It's human nature dumbass. What religion was Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot? Look at North Korea today...what's their religion?

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If you knew anything about them you would know that they made themselves into gods. They just had the people worship them instead of your invisible sky dad.

"I don't have an opinion. The word "opinion" implies the possibility I'm wrong."

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"Invisible sky dad"s keep a lot more people in rational restraint than drive them mad with foolishness.

The worst villains in history are the ones who think they have no one standing in judgement of their life's actions. Their evil is far less bounded than that of those who must find rationalizations in their creed for why they should Do The Wrong Things.

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Religion also leads them to higher things. As with any element of human existence, there are always @ŝŝĤoles who can take it and run straight off the end of the earth with it.

There is literally no concept comprehensible to the mind of man which cannot be corrupted to the service of evil -- not decency, honor, love, kindness, or anything else is unavailable as a methodology for those who would do evil.

The chief problem with Islam is that it is so easily corrupted because its own supporters all too often are unwilling to challenge those who do wrong it its name.

Yes, there are abortion clinic bombers and people who kill abortion doctors in the name of so-called "Christianity" -- but Christians are among the first and most determined to capture and shut down these deluded fools misusing religion as the excuse to force their will upon others.

Now when was the last time you saw a crowd of Muslims marching down the street to even protest the most recent of the endless litany of Islamic outrages? Was the crowd bigger than a couple dozen people, even IF you managed to find an example of such, which are few and far between?

And THAT is the chief problem with Islam at this point -- the "moderates" (and yes, they DO exist) remain silent in the face of the fanatics, and that is unacceptable. Until they realize that THEY must spearhead any action to reclaim the entirety of Islam from their fanatical elements, society and the world must tar them with the same brush that the fanatics get tarred with.

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The bigger problem with Islam is that their prophet was himself a terrorist who didn't shy away from inflicting terror on innocent victims. It is really hard to stamp out radicalism within the Islamic world when the man they all look up to is a known warlord. Some moderates will be able to live with the obvious conflict between the nature of the prophet and morality. For others, they will always see the world as a quest to separate people in people of the faith and infidels. And infidels will always have to be destroyed.

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I think it is more the fault of ideologies, be they secular or religious. The thing is humans are really prone to choose an ideology and truly believe in it.
But that does not mean that certain ideologies are not worse than others. It is clear that at this moment, the ideology of political Islam is one of the most dangerous things on the planet. And unfortunately, it doesn't look like peaceful Muslims are doing much to fight against it. And even when valid criticism happens, it is considered Islamophobia. Bad ideas need to be criticized and people have to stop thinking in black and white. There always is nuance. We have to be able to talk about this things without labeling people racist or xenophobes.

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I see, another vile racist scumbag. Of course it's all the Jews' fault.
Sure,if it were not for some Jewish "misdeed" there would be no battle of Tours, and no Islamic occupation of Spain and Bulgaria; no Siege of Vienna; no occupation of the Balkans and slaughter of Jews by Bosnian SS troops; enslavement of Greece and desecration of Hagia Sophia; no murder of Christian Pilgrims; no enslavement of Europeans in the Children's Crusade and no atrocities in Chios, occupation of Cyprus, Ukraine, and Wallachia. No extermination of Hindu, Sikh, and Buddhist people in the holocaust of Islamic conquest. No desecration and razing of their temples. No enslavement of the native people from Berbers and Mizrahi Jews in North Africa, to Maronites, Assyrians, Armenians, Parsis, Yazidis, Sephardi Jews, Pandits all the way to Indian Kashmir and beyond. Islamic aggression has not spared even Philippines, Thailand, Sri Lanka, China, Ethiopia, Kenya, Nigeria, Sudan, East Timor.
Of course the North African pirate attacks on American ships are also Jews' fault.
Not to mention 2 Barbary Wars United States fought against Islamist tyranny. It was the fault of a Jewess like Sol Hachuel for refusing to convert to Islam under threat of death. It was the fault of Shabtai Tzvi to request Muslims rulers to liberate Jews from tyrannical dhimmitude and slaughter.
Certainly it is the Jews' fault. They had the chance to stop the banditry of the false prophet but they didn't until it was too late. A brave Jewish woman poisoned him but the damage was done already. The wealth which he stole from the Jews was enough to equip bandit armies that pillaged and enslaved people of Levant, North Africa, the Mediterranean Europe from which over a million Christian and Jewish slaves were sold into Arab captivity.

It's the fault of the Jews to give in to American demands to supply Pakistan with weapons to defeat the Soviets. It's the fault of the Jews to absorb Iraqi ballistic missiles while worthless American Patriots hit nothing but thin air instead of protecting Israeli cities. It's the Jews fault that Americans supplied Saddam with Chemical weapons. It's the Jews fault for submitting to American Pressure and giving back Sinai to Egypt which is now being used to smuggle weapons to Gaza where they are launched in the thousands at Israel. It's the Jews fault for giving in to American demands to supply Iran with weapons in order to free American Hostages. Also the fault of the Jews that Iranians took hostage the American Embassy just like it's the fault of the Jews that 200 years ago the same Safavid Islamists massacred Aleksander Griboyedov and his entire embassy staff for giving shelter to enslaved Armenians in Teheran.

Well, what else can we pin on Jews? They never fight for their country. Twain said so btw and then apologized after he was presented with facts. Also Hitler said the same despite disproportionate number of Jews who were killed and injured fighting for Weimar Republic in WWI. Like you, he wasn't bothered by facts. He never apologized, he shot himself and I would like to think that the last thing that went through his mind, other than the bullet, was "unbelievable, inconceivable, unthinkable."

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Wow! Its hard to believe such an impressive and knowledgeable answer can be found on IMDB. It is worth sharing and spreading.

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"All they want is your money and for you to fight their wars... "

The same was said for the British before America revolted...so, there's that...

You also talk to a nation as if most of us actually have a say or agree with the current foreign policies. Look at Vietnam; most of the country wasn't supporting that war but it went on anyway for quite a while. Oh, but wait. It's a democracy right? A handful of weenies run for office, then no matter who wins, they get puppeteered by their party, constituents and financial backers.

"I'm...proud"

Yeah, we got that, thanks.

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Religion is a mental illness, a form of schizophrenia if you must, it is just accepted as normal in our fallen society that's all.

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LOL, yes, our society is "fallen"... from what, exactly?

Where was this utopia where people were "free of religion" and thus acted as humans "ought" to?

How is it that people who are "free of religion" always seem to be the first ones ready to commit an atrocity, since they have no fear of any judgement by a higher being when all is said and done...?

Yes, there are those whose Faith is twisted and contorted into a justification for evil deeds. But what is it that you imagine will constrain a man who has no fear of judgement at all?

What then?

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You got it all backwards, in fact all the evil deeds committed by mankind were in the name of religion. Just look at the middle east today or US, all have God on their side....

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"How is it that people who are "free of religion" always seem to be the first ones ready to commit an atrocity, since they have no fear of any judgement by a higher being when all is said and done...?"

How is it that those with religion just make stuff up and lie out of their ass when doing so is against the very religion they supposedly follow? You are a liar when you state that those free of religion are the first ones ready to commit an atrocity. There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim other than your very ignorant opinion.

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I'm over 50 and I've managed to avoid murdering, raping, robbing, kidnapping, abusing women and children and arson (among other felonies) even though I'm an atheist and am thus not worried about burning in hell for all eternity. I don't need the promise of a reward or punishment in the hereafter to do the right thing, and neither do any of the other atheists I know. BTW, we atheists have the lowest prison incarceration rate of any religious/nonreligious group--don't believe me, google it.

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Britons birthed the war in the Middle East and its continuation because of their meddling their, helped cause the Iraq-Iran crisis, spurred in the Turkish-Greek hatred and made the Revolutionary War in the founding American colonies possible, and helped create both Sinn Fein and the IRA because of their egregious abuses against the Irish; they aided and abetted African and Carribean slavery and the continued abuses of Africans and Carribeans while self righteously poinying fingers at others who also profitted, through colonization of the African continent and of Jamaica and Barbados and by piloting slave shops to Anerican shores.

Get over yourself. Be a Briton and proud, sure, but not for claiming your hands are clean when it is very clear yours are just as bloody as everyone else's.

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first off, you sound retarded and you are probably a conspiracy theorist who learned everything off those messed up youtube videos

second, as far as modern terrorism is concerned... first your country let the jews have their state in the middle east following ww1 and the ousting of the turks. then your country was turning back huge ships full of jews who wanted to come to their country, and sending them back to the concentration camps (although liberated thats what you did nontheless), angering the world. then the jews started their terror to get rid of YOUR country. then the palestinians started trying to get the jews out and the ancient fued continues. dont blame the usa who has picked up your burden because your a pathetic weak country who basically let terrorists walk all over you. stop blaming higher powers who are just as retarded as you, for being just as retarded as you. the usa is not responsible for your crappy life and personal problems. but its perfectly human to try to blame someone, after all you are disturbed. so, go see a therapist.

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Religion is inherently evil, you could, as many do, argue that it is in fact mans interpretation of Religion that causes evil, but the truth of the matter is Religion is dangerous, it is designed to control and segregate, you read any religious text, they all talk about "Non believers, heathens, infidels etc"

Anyone who puts their faith and core beliefs in a book, written thousands of years ago is in my opinion, mentally deficient. These books, the Quran, the Torah, the Bible, have ALL been re-written many times. Just look at the Bible, it is a known fact that there were an incomprehensible amount of parts that have been removed, altered edited and in some cases, erased altogether.

Now, for the balance of power I will also point out that the Quran, during the prophet Muhammad's life was NEVER written down, there is no written account nor copy of a Quran ever existing during his life time. But, there are records that Muhammad himself changed the way he recited it.

These books are nothing more than dangerous methods of control and division, in their time, they had a place. They brought law and order to a chaotic world, but in the modern era we have no place for such archaic and in some cases simply barbaric rules and regulations.

Capitalism: *beep* on the little guy whilst making him feel like he has a chance.

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