The REAL Original...


I am so sick of all the children who continue to refer to the 1982 film as "the original". The original was made in 1951 and was a better film than both the 2011 and 1982 films.

Sure no ghastly disgusting body bursting monsters (idea stolen from "Alien") but a better written, better acted film with a classic director (Howard Hawks) at the helm.

In 1981 when word came down the pipeline about a remake everyone groaned. They knew it would not be true to the source and probably be a modern day gorefest. No internet then so things did not reach a roaring point, but fans of the Hawks film were shaking their heads.

Surprise it turned out to be a winner. A genuinely good film that stood on its own. Yet true to expectation, it kept very little about the REAL original except the snow.

Now a whole generation of myopic kids think the 1982 version is the original. NO NO NO. Go find, rent, Netflix, whatever you do and see THE original. That is if you can stomach a film in black and white and where no ones guts come flying out of them.

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Not everyone is unaware of the earlier film, and some of us like Carpenter when he was at his best, the feel he could give a movie.

I own Carpenter's and the new one, but will buy the original if I come across it. I like all of them.


I prefer Carpenter's though.

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Also, the REAL original is the story that the first film was based on.

Caprpenter's film was closer to the original story than the first film.

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By REAL I assume you mean the book "Who Goes There?" The 1951 film was based on the book but not having rad it I do not know what liberties were taken.

So you are saying the 1938 (I believe) book had a shape shifting alien and not the humanoid vegetable-based creature from the 1951 film?

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Ja, that's right. Carpenter wanted that aspect of the story which the first film didn't.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Goes_There%3F

Carpenter of course loved that film: as a kid it scared the crap out of him. He also (of course) referenced it in Halloween. He made his film in the spirit of a homage.

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This is true. Plus a lot of movies are based on books. But only people who read take issue with those interpretations. Which leaves out like 80% of this current generation.

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First of all, there is no such film called "The Thing" in 1951, just The Thing from Another World. Second, Carpenter's The Thing isn't a remake of the earlier film they have a similar name but they are 2 completely different films, and people only call it a "remake" because of the earlier film but fans of Carpenter's film and the book know it's not a remake but rather a new adaptation. The name The Thing comes from the star in the book yet Carpenter's film has only 2 homages to the earlier film like the title card and circle of men and those are it. Everything like the location (one in the north pole and the other the south), the nature/methods of the alien (the monster in Hawk's film has only one form being a vampiric bloodsucking vegetable humanoid Frankenstein who can reproduce itself but it wasn't the imitator from the original source material) where the other monster is a shapeshifting being that can imitate any living creature it touches, the characters and their background, the origin and discovery of the spaceship and all that are very worlds apart from each other. I consider them to be 2 separate adaptations, Hawks film is a very good movie but in reality its one of the worst book to film adaptations of all time just like The Running Man or The Lawmower Man or World War Z etc. where Carpenter's film is it's own entity that is an excellent adaptation of the source material. Carpenter may had grew up with the earlier film then later on in college he read the original novella Who Goes There which was different than the film he grew up and liked the original story more as he said when he set out to do his film he didn't want to remake the earlier film as it would be foolish to compete with Howard Hawks as instead he returned back to the original book that started it all.

Somebody who makes a film based on the novel Moby Dick is not "remaking" John Huston's film. They're making a new film based on the same literary source material and that's what The Thing is. he definition of a remake is "a motion picture based on a film produced earlier" which is not the case with the John Carpenter film. A scene by scene copy of the original film (as Gus van Sant did uselessly with Hitchcock's Psycho), updated with more F/X or more gore and based on the screenplay of the earlier film or even on a screenplay not based on any existing source material like books, novellas and comics/graphic novels like say The Blob or Ocean's 11 are true remakes. If The Thing was a remake then the writer of the earlier film's screenplay would had been credited he wasn't.

To call The Thing a "remake" of The Thing from Another World would be like saying that every Dracula movie is a "remake" of the Bela Lugosi film or the silent film Nosferatu which is factually incorrect. Obviously they are all separate adaptions of the Bram Stoker novel. Another good example are the films I Am Legend, The Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth all based on the Richard Matheson novel I Am Legend. None of the films have anything to do with each other aside from all being based on the same source material. Calling a new film based on a novel filmed before a remake cheapens it a bit, when like i said they are separate adaptations.

I just like to educate people the differences between remakes and adaptation.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, The Thing, Stephen King's The Shining, Lord of the Rings, Dredd, Dracula, Frankenstein, The Omega Man/I Am Legend, Romeo and Juliet, A Christmas Carol, Amazing Spider-Man, Let Me In, the upcoming IT 2 part movies, War of the Worlds, Casino Royale etc. are adaptations of source material being books and novellas. Including being separate adaptations.

Night of the Living Dead, The Fog, Halloween, Maniac, Hills Have eyes, A nightmare on Elm Street, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Freaky Friday, House on Haunted Hill, Ocean's 11, King Kong, Father of the Bride, The Nutty Professor, Ocean's 11, Thomas Crown Affair, Godzilla, Angels in the Outfield, The Fog etc. those are remakes in every sense of the word.

"If this is torture, chain me to the wall"-Oliver and Company

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Thank you all for the clarifications but especially CobraRocks for the detailed post regarding a remake Vs new interpretation.

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No problem, just trying to educate people the differences between actual remakes and new adaptations of source materials.



"If this is torture, chain me to the wall"-Oliver and Company

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I would like to add that I cannot stand the whining about remakes or adaptions in general.

The original will not go away nor will the book. Everyone should have a chance to do their own take on something they love if they want. Nobody has to watch.

Many people paint trees. Where is the anger in that?

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....are they all painting the same tree?

The OP is correct. The true original is the 1951 version.

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Are you simple? Every other post on here states how the OP is wrong, especially Cobrarocks with a detailed account on the subject.

You're backing someone who stormed in, condescending everyone else who he thinks isn't aware of or hasn't watched Thing '51, got his facts massively wrong, admitted as much and left with their tail tucked firmly between their legs...

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Yes Bluersun but there's no film in 1951 called "The Thing", just The Thing from Another World.

Do you agree with everything i said on that The Thing isn't a remake of The Thing from Another World and that they are 2 very different separate adaptations of the book including the differences between remakes and adaptations?

"If this is torture, chain me to the wall"-Oliver and Company

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Yes I agree with you, I think you had it pretty much bang on - The Thing '82 isn't a remake of TTFAW - it's a closer retelling of the original Campbell story just like FFC's Dracula isn't a remake of any of the previous adaptions of Stoker's book.

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ANd do you agree Ocean's 11, King Kong, The Blob, Hills Have Eyes or The Departed are actual remakes since they are based on the movies produced earlier and their screenplay?

"If this is torture, chain me to the wall"-Oliver and Company

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It's fairly obvious in general which films are remakes and which aren't.

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P.S.

I referred to it as Thing '51 to avoid any confusion with those who argued it was 'the original'

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Uh, admitting one is wrong and taking the "hit" for it is hardly walking away with tail between legs, mate. It is called being a man. Which apparently you are not.

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Bollox mate. You never admitted you were wrong, nor did you admit to being a bigot.

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Go on, I'll bite... how does this make me 'not a man' by pointing out your lack of acknowledging you were wrong?

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A real man would not take pleasure in the embarrassment of another. Not that I was actually embarrassed; more like interested and inclined to find and read the old book!

And how on earth is bigotry somehow being inserted into this thread?? Where are you getting that from??

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You came across in your OP as someone who disliked those (myopic kids) who are into this film claiming your opinion was right and anyone who didn't like 'the original' was wrong, like they didn't get it.

I didn't intend to embarrass you. I get pi$$ed off the way some people try to Lord over others on here and refuse to acknowledge when they're wrong. Maybe I was.

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I've ran into a few pillocks on here, but you're up there mate! Next time you think of slating other people for (in your mind) being ignorant, get your facts right and you won't look such a twat.

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I'm aware of all versions. However the newest film is obviously a remake of the 1982 film. The 1982 film and the 1951 film are themselves very different films. This one however is a copy of the 82 film.

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You're not very aware of them if you think this was a remake. The Thing 2011 is a prequel to The Thing 1982. The Thing 2011 ends with the beginning of The Thing 1982 and the two films are a single continuity.

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Yet another boring post in which a person can't tell the difference between quality and their own nostalgia.

Enjoy your terrible fifties version.

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And who are you? You are bnot part of this conversation! You have apparently not read everything and if you had you would see the correction and my admission.

As for the "terrible 50's version" it happens to be a recognized classic of it's genre much like the I assume you believe "terrible" 1930's versions of "Dracula" and "Frankenstein" are. You are indeed the type of myopic clown I despise. You have no business stating an opinion since you are NOT educated enough to have one.

Go back to your hovel, a-hole.

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It never ceases to amaze me how some people can be so arrogant, condescending, and ignorant at the same time.

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All part of our charm!

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Yes, your ignorance is "charming" in a nicely pathetic way. Just the response I would have expected from a guy with linguistic skills below the level of the typical middle schooler :)

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