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posted 8 years ago by lief_peterson
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Just curious...what do you guys think stopped Jesse from shooting walt in the final episode after Walt killed Jake and his crew?

[–] mgreen9715 8 years ago

Well Walt kept talking him into doing it and I think it was Jesse basically telling himself I'm not gonna let Walt manipulate me one last time into doing something for him and if he wants to die he has to grow some balls and do it himself.

[–] InglouriousSister 8 years ago

^^Yes, this. Jesse just didn't want to do what Walt told him to anymore.

He did want for Walt to admit that what he was urging him to do was for Walt himself, not for Jesse's own good like he always tried to make Jesse think before, even when he was being totally transparent about it. Like in the desert. "You need me gone, just tell me you need this, just ask me for a favor" - which Walt refused to do, he didn't want to "owe" Jesse anything so he always tried to rather manipulate him into thinking he was making a decision rather than simply asking something straight. So Jesse finally got that admission, but he also got to say no for once and there was nothing Walt could do about it. Besides, Jesse wasn't really a killer, despite just having strangled Todd. I don't think he would readily take Walt's death on his conscience when he was dying imminently anyways.

Do you even know what honor is?
- A horse.

[–] swolbach 8 years ago

Agree, Jesse wouldn't have shot him...Walt just saved his life, for one.

IMO, Jesse really just wanted Walt to feel some of the pain that he had endured. He wanted him to pleed Jesse not to kill him...and once again, Walt took that away from Jesse by telling him to go ahead and shoot him.

The only thing he could do, to not let Walt win the manipulation battle one more time, was to refuse to shoot him...not to mention he saw he was already shot...

[–] Klockard23 8 years ago

Pretty much what's already been mentioned. Jesse was done doing what Walt wanted him to. It's what Gilligan said as well.

[–] lief_peterson 8 years ago

Yeah more or less exactly what I was thinking. It would have been a good way for Jesse to show some damn appreciation to Walt for saving him.

Real friends shoot each other when they save each other from being a captive meth cook slave...lol jk

All jokes aside though, despite everything, I would have liked it if Jesse said something like 'thanks...mr. White' before speeding off in Todd's el camino. Jesse would have never gotten out of there without him.

[–] Klockard23 8 years ago

I think that long, distant look between them at the end said more than any amount of words could. And Jesse didn't owe Walt a show of appreciation; Walt was the reason for him being captive by the Nazi's to begin with.

[–] lief_peterson 8 years ago

I think that's debatable. People want to place the blame on Walt for everything. It was a series of things that led up to Jesse being taken captive. One could argue that had Jesse never teamed up with hank he never would've been taken either, for example.

I'm just saying that if it weren't for Walt, Jesse would have been there cooking for them for the foreseeable future. The only way I think it would have ended would have been if they killed him, or he took his own life. One thing is for sure, he wouldn't have tried to escape again after what happened to Andrea, and what he feared they would do to Brock.

I cant see any other alternatives to those two options for Jesse imo. He's lucky Walt showed up, regardless of how he ended up there.

[–] Klockard23 8 years ago

It was a series of things that led up to Jesse being taken captive. One could argue that had Jesse never teamed up with hank he never would've been taken either, for example.

Teaming with Hank was the ethical and sensible thing for Jesse to do. Thinking he should take any blame for ending up in a hellish situation is laughable.

At the end of the day, Walt was the one who pointed his location out to the Nazi's and turned him over to them to be tortured and killed. Saving him was righting that wrong. There's a reason Walt slid the gun over to Jesse and gave him the chance to shoot him.

[–] lief_peterson 8 years ago

Jesse teaming with hank was, imo, idiotic. Hank had gone completely rogue. Jesse didn't even attempt to strike any kind of deal for his cooperation with them. Hank was happy to put Jesse's life in danger and was hoping Walt would try to kill Jesse at the plaza so he could get it on video and use it against walt. Jesse putting his faith in hank was moronic and Jesse would have been better off trying to take Walt down himself without them. This is the same guy that beat Jesse half to death and put him in the hospital. In no way was his decision to team with hank 'sensible' lol

[–] InglouriousSister 8 years ago

All jokes aside though, despite everything, I would have liked it if Jesse said something like 'thanks...mr. White' before speeding off in Todd's el camino. Jesse would have never gotten out of there without him.

I think after poisoning Brock, throwing the whole "I watched Jane die" in Jesse's face and giving the Nazis Andrea's address Walt was the last (alive) person Jesse would ever have thanked for anything at that point. I liked the little nod, it was an acknowledgment of their shared history and I liked the visual parallels to their first conversation in the Pilot.

Do you even know what honor is?
- A horse.

[–] lief_peterson 8 years ago

Lol okay yeah...when you put it that way I totally agree. That nod, as klockard also mentioned, really said it all.

I guess its just the part of me that misses when they were at their best together that wanted that. But those days were long gone at that point.