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So exactly what evidence did the police have after Hank died?


So after Hank dies, Walt takes the money and drives back home.

Even if Walt Jr. called the cops, which he did, wouldn't Walt be able to still plausibly deny that he's has anything to do with drugs. He could simply claim it was a case of domestic violence involving his wife.

What evidence did the police have at this point proofing that Walt is Heisenberg?

I know that Hank called Marie saying he's got Walt, but now that Hank is dead, and it's just Marie's word against Walt's.

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Marie's word, Walt Jr's word, Skyler's word (she would never have gone to the DEA before Hank died but she would go against Walt rather than her son and sister I'm sure.) There's also Huell who might have cooperated with the DEA for protection since he was under the impression Walt was out to get him.

Walt takes the money and drives back home.


Of course the barrel of money on the drive-way raises suspicion. Even the pick-up truck not registered to him Walt bought in To'hajiilee would probably be easy to trace back to its original owner. I don't know how Walt would explain randomly buying a truck in cash and hauling millions from the desert at the same time as Hank and Gomie disappeared.

Then there's the car wash which is a big ass money laundering operation and would be exposed as such if the IRS looked into it.


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This is Breaking Bad. This isn't Dexter, where a cop is killed and there's no fallout whatsoever. The disappearance of Hank and Gomez under suspicious circumstances would, in real life, prompt a full investigation from pretty much everyone, including the DEA proper, with possibly extra help from the ATF and the FBI, especially since Hank was a senior DEA official in the Albuquerque field office:

1. Questioning Skyler and Marie would lead the police to know Walt was Heisenberg and Jesse was his accomplice.

2. When the police get Walt's faux "confession" tape, which Skyler would doubtlessly confirm as being a bunch of lies and half-truths, they would have an almost complete map of the Gus Fring/Walter fiasco.

3. Once the cops get a hold of Huell and Kuby (yeah, we all like to joke that they're still in hiding and waiting but...) that would've exposed the Saul Goodman angle and complicity.

4. When Andrea Cantillo is killed, the police will investigate and they might or might not connect her back to Jesse, since they'll probably question her family, not to mention that they probably still know about Brock being poisoned. Of course, it's possible as well that Andrea's murder will go unsolved and only gets solved when forensics tests all of the guns recovered from the Neo-Nazis' compound and finds that one of them matches the bullet dug out of Andrea's head.

5. At some point in time, Badger, Skinny Pete, and Jesse's other friends would've been hauled in and questioned by both local police and the Feds. And Badger and Skinny Pete both already knew Walt was Heisenberg, so they'd also confirm Jesse's association with Walt.

6. Most importantly, you have to remember that "Granite State" took place during a timeframe as long as the entirety of seasons 1-4. There was a lot going on behind the scenes.

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2. When the police get Walt's faux "confession" tape, which Skyler would doubtlessly confirm as being a bunch of lies and half-truths, they would have an almost complete map of the Gus Fring/Walter fiasco.


Oh yeah, I forgot this from my earlier post. Walt confesses to being Heisenberg (or Heisenberg's cook, rather) on that tape, he just says Hank forced him to. But I'm pretty sure if the DEA put some resources into it they'd quickly be able to rule out Hank as Heisenberg. I don't remember where Hank was at every given moment when sh-t was happening re: Heisenberg but there's no evidence for Hank's involvement whereas there's tons for Walt's: the money barrel, the random truck, the car wash, Marie/Walt Jr/Skyler/Huell/Kuby/Badger/Skinny Pete/Andrea/Brock intel, the lab equipment stolen from Walt's class, the Heisenberg sketch looking exactly like Walt, Walt having no alibis or feeble ones for much of the times something Heisenberg-related was happening, there existing a clear link between Walt and the MIA Jesse, etc etc etc. Also if Marie and the police hadn't gone to Skyler's when Walt took Holly, maybe someone would have been quicker to go to Marie's to pick up all Hank's files on Walt and the Jesse confession tape.


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. But I'm pretty sure if the DEA put some resources into it they'd quickly be able to rule out Hank as Heisenberg.


Given the circumstances, they'd almost certainly have no choice but to do so, to protect their own reputation.

Most definitively, the tape links Walt to Gus's death, and probably would be enough for the warrant to include that.

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So after Hank dies, Walt takes the money and drives back home.


Only one barrel of money. Jack's white supremacists have the rest and it's probably buried somewhere on the grounds of their compound, although that was never confirmed before Walt shoots Jack in the face. If that's the case, they will find the money along with Walt's corpse, the lab equipment, meth cook residual byproducts, all the bodies of the neo-nazis and possibly even Jesse's recorded confession to Hank and Gomie. It's never confirmed that the aryan brotherhood destroyed that recording, and they seemed to be having too much fun watching it, so it's probably still around.

With all that evidence, it wouldn't be a huge stretch for the DEA to publicly confirm that Walt was Heisenberg (which is public knowledge anyway, according to the Charlie Rose Gray Matter interview). Hank would be exonerated of any wrongdoing and given a hero's funeral, along with Gomez.

As for Jesse, the cops would find his prints all over his cell under the Aryan compound and also probably all over the lab equipment. Since he is nowhere to be found, Jesse may even be considered a suspect in the deaths of everyone at the compound, including Walt, and maybe even Andrea Cantillo. He would be immediately placed on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list as an armed & dangerous fugitive. Given Jesse's propensity for being apprehended and because of his status as a known perp, he most likely wouldn't last long unless he went totally off the grid.

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As for Jesse, the cops would find his prints all over his cell under the Aryan compound and also probably all over the lab equipment. Since he is nowhere to be found, Jesse may even be considered a suspect in the deaths of everyone at the compound, including Walt, and maybe even Andrea Cantillo. He would be immediately placed on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list as an armed & dangerous fugitive. Given Jesse's propensity for being apprehended and because of his status as a known perp, he most likely wouldn't last long unless he went totally off the grid.


If caught, who knows what might happen. Obviously, he wouldn't have Saul to defend him in court or anything. But he'd certainly help the DEA fill in gaps in the Walt case. The DEA would also find evidence that Jesse was being held captive there, so while he's probably on the hook for anything that happened before Hank's death, he'll certainly be off the hook for anything he did while enslaved by the Neo-Nazis (if the detectives are sympathetic enough, they might be willing to make the claim that Jesse killed Todd in "self-defense").

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Obviously, he wouldn't have Saul to defend him in court or anything. But he'd certainly help the DEA fill in gaps in the Walt case.


I don't think Saul, even if given the chance, would defend Jesse anyway. They didn't part on the best of terms and Jesse believed that Brock was poisoned with Saul's assistance. I don't know what benefit to the DEA filling in gaps would be. Apart from Saul, Jesse is the lone survivor of all the major players in Walt's game. I think that the DEA would be anxious to put someone away for all of that and Jesse is the perfect fall guy. Turning state's evidence isn't really an option for Jesse to get a better deal, since there's no one else to pin it on. There's no way for Jesse to prove that his killing of Todd was self defense, because it wasn't self defense. It was revenge.

In reality, if all of this stuff actually happened and Jesse were an actual person, if caught, he'd probably be sent to the Florence, CO Supermax to protect him from Ayran Brotherhood reprisal attempts.

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There's no way for Jesse to prove that his killing of Todd was self defense, because it wasn't self defense. It was revenge.


I think it could pass for self-defense though. Todd was strangled with Jesse's chains, and surely there are tons of marks on Jesse's wrists and ankles that prove he was indeed chained up. They wouldn't know it was revenge. There's obvious physical evidence of abuse/torture on Jesse's person and of wrongful imprisonment on the compound (the pit, the lab with the chains in the ceiling.) The human rights groups would be all over that.

I googled that Supermax facility and would they really send Jesse - were he a real person - to a place like that? It says it has mostly terrorists and Aryan brotherhood members and all those "notable inmates" seem to be serving life sentences or are on death row. I doubt the US justice system is so cruel that they'd deliberately send a person who's been enslaved by nazis to a prison full of nazis. Though what do I know.


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They wouldn't know it was revenge.


A fair point, although after questioning Jesse, they would know that he witnessed Todd shooting Andrea. There's motive there, as well as Todd keeping him hostage all that time to cook meth.

I doubt the US justice system is so cruel that they'd deliberately send a person who's been enslaved by nazis to a prison full of nazis.


It is kind of a cruel irony, isn't it? There's no way that Jesse would be put into the general population of a state-run prison in NM because Jesse would be tried at the federal level. He'd be sent to a federal pen and the only reason I speculated it would be the Florence Supermax is that it would be for Jesse's protection.

Those Supermax inmates are in their individual cells 23 hours a day and are not allowed communal dining or communal anything, really. Since Jesse is a murderer and a known associate of the notorious drug lord Walter "Heisenberg" White, I could definitely see the feds sending him there. There is an adjacent minimum security facility to the Florence pen but Jesse would have to be in solitary for his own protection. He would be targeted every single day by the Brotherhood. Jesse is no Ted Kaczynski or Khalid Sheikh Mohammed but he's no saint, either.

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There's motive there, as well as Todd keeping him hostage all that time to cook meth.


True. But if due to chafing and stuff on his wrists from a certain angle (compatible with the angle from which Todd was strangled) it shouldn't be too hard to prove Jesse was still in chains when he strangled Todd, and that would make freeing himself a very easy motive.

I don't want to imagine Jesse in some cell all alone for the rest of his life or at least many years. :( He didn't do too well with solitude. Now I hope he drove into a ditch and died before he ever got into the system. Or he was so traumatized that they sent him to a psych ward (not that those are such lovely places to be in either) rather than a regular prison. Oh well, we'll probably never know anyways.


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he was so traumatized that they sent him to a psych ward (not that those are such lovely places to be in either) rather than a regular prison. Oh well, we'll probably never know anyways.


Oh yeah, no doubt. Jesse's manic giggling/crying as he escaped definitely shows his state of mind at the end. As far as Todd's murder, of course we the audience see it as 100% justifiable homicide. I guess if the feds believe any of what Jesse might conceivably tell them, he could get out of Todd's murder rap. Didn't Jesse confess to killing Gale in Hank and Gomey's tape? That's really the only true murder that Jesse committed I suppose. The cartel guy and Todd were definitely justified.

I like to think that Jesse, if caught, would spend most of his life inside his own head, making perfect birdhouses. Anything else would be too depressing to think about. And yeah, we probably will only get to speculate about it.

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And after the finale the police now have a building full of dead nazis.

And it was there that they were all watching and taking the piss out of Jesse's confession tape that he did for Hank.

So as well as the fake confessions tape from Walt, they will end up seeing Jesse's true confession of everything.




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What people don't understand is that you don't necessarily need physical proof to convict someone. As long as there's enough signs pointing in your direction and the jury finds you plausibly more guilty than innocent, you can be sent to prison. It doesn't sound entirely fair or rational, but it is what it is. Any lawyer will tell you this.

There were too many loose ends hanging about for Walt to bother risk staying behind, and really, what was left for him in Albuquerque anyway? He was right to run. Any of you who would have stayed behind would be idiots for doing so.

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