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Hurting Jesse in Ozymandias


Telling Jesse that he watched Jane die, could have saved her, but didn't, was the worst thing he could say to him.

But if he really wanted to pile it on, he could have started off by telling him that he killed Mike. Think he should have added this on?

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he could have started off by telling him that he killed Mike. Think he should have added this on?


I don't think it would have made any difference. Jesse already knew Walt killed Mike, getting the confirmation wouldn't have hurt Jesse any more than he was already hurting. In fact, it might have made him feel better rather than worse, since he tried to make Walt confess to it before, but Walt wouldn't give him that.


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- A horse.

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Like Inglourious Sister explained, I think it would have been unneccesary. If Walt had done so though, I imagine it being something he throws in there real quick after telling him about Jane rather than before... Something like, "Oh, and you were right before - I did murder Mike."

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That's exactly how I'd see it coming...the jab before the knockout punch.

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After what Jesse did to Walt I have a very hard time feeling any sympathy for him.

"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine

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After what Jesse did to Walt I have a very hard time feeling any sympathy for him.


After what Walt did to Brock, I have a very hard time feeling any sympathy for him.

There, fixed it.

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Walt didn't do anything to Brock, yeah he was in the hospital for 2 days with an upset stomach, who the hell cares, it was done so that Walt, Jesse, Hank, Skyler, Junior and Holly wouldn't be murdered. It was Jesse who took his mother away from him.

"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine

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it was done so that Walt, Jesse, Hank, Skyler, Junior and Holly wouldn't be murdered.


He poisoned Brock with the intent of manipulating Jesse.

It was Jesse who took his mother away from him.


She was murdered by Todd Alquist, not by Jesse.

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If Jesse didn't help Walt then Gus would have killed all 6 of them. He did it for good reasons and if Jesse hadn't betrayed Walt there never would have been a reason to poison Brock.

Also if Jesse hadn't tried to escape then Todd never would have killed Andrea. Jesse did take Brock's mother away from him.

"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine

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Nice try, Jesse. I'm going to argue that few days of feeling sick might be worth someone's elses life anyways.

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I always felt like Jesse pretty much already knew but we'll never know.

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What reason would he have for suspecting?

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Well, Mike disappeared without a trace and his guys were killed in prison. Pretty easy for Jesse to put two and two together and deduce "Walt killed Mike".

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Nevermind. Thought he was talking about Walt letting Jane die.

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Think Jesse knew about Mike about as much as he knew Walt poisoned Brock...right up until their confrontation in End Times, where Walt pulled off that brilliant story and convinced Jesse it was Gus.

Jesse seemed fairly sure he killed Mike, when Walt came over to give him back his money in Blood Money. Walt gave another good performance - selling the idea that Mike's still alive. But agree, Jesse still didn't seem thoroughly convinced. Expect it could have been easier for Jesse to believe, since it's something he'd really want to believe...like kids that are getting old for Santa (spoiler?).

So Walt telling Jesse he did kill Mike, followed by watching Jane die, could have been that much more to tear Jesse down in the Ozy scene. My guess is, perhaps the writers felt that adding the Mike confession might have distracted from the main event - the Jane confession.

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when Walt came over to give him back his money in Blood Money. Walt gave another good performance - selling the idea that Mike's still alive. But agree, Jesse still didn't seem thoroughly convinced. Expect it could have been easier for Jesse to believe, since it's something he'd really want to believe...


It was a pretty good performance from Walt, but I think Jesse was way too familiar with Walt's BS at that point and didn't believe it for a second, and I suspect Walt might have known Jesse didn't believe him. There's that extra which shows Cranston and Paul doing the read-through on that and the script says Jesse is "diminished", so probably he just doesn't have the strength to verbally spar with Walt. They were just going through the motions, and they both look totally unconvinced in the end of it (for me the Santa Claus analogy fits better to Walt, the way he says "he's alive" in the end is like he's trying to convince himself that Jesse believed him, although Jesse's face imho shows he didn't, and Walt doesn't quite believe he had succeeded either.)

Later in the desert when Jesse's tells Walt to just admit he needs him gone and they are meeting in the middle of nowhere so that if Jesse says no Walt can kill him "the same way [he] killed Mike" they just treat it as an established fact. Walt doesn't bother denying it and Jesse doesn't even ask him if he did it anymore.


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- A horse.

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Having a pretty good Idea that Walt killed Mike then, allowed Jesse to skeptically listen to another one of Walt's lies. It likely reminded him of the End Times speech...which also likely started to increase his doubts about that story too.

So when people ask "How did Jesse know Walt poisoned Brock just from having his pot lifted,"...that was likely just the final straw. His suspicions were likely Iikely growing, with Walt's lie about Mike's being one of the contributing factors.

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It likely reminded him of the End Times speech...which also likely started to increase his doubts about that story too.

So when people ask "How did Jesse know Walt poisoned Brock just from having his pot lifted,"...that was likely just the final straw.


Oh yeah, very good point! Definitely. I don't think by that time Jesse needed that big of a push to come to the conclusion Walt poisoned Brock.


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- A horse.

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I think he wasn't too proud of killing Mike. It was a crime of passion, Mike wasn't the type of guy to rat him out, but Walt still didn't want to let him of the hook. Jesse admired Mike, but not in the way he loved Jane. Nothing could top that, Jesse wouldn't care.

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