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What if Tuco killed Hank in "Grilled"?


I know that this would severely alter the course of the series, but for the sake of pure speculation, what do you think would have theoretically happened if Tuco managed to kill Hank in the shootout?

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The show goes downhill since one of the main plots of the show is dead in the water.

As for where it could have gone, Tuco either partners up with his cousins (and thus, the cartel) who were on their way to meet him and goes back after Walt and Jesse - which makes them both look like complete idiots for not finishing him off when they had the chance - or Tuco just slowly dies from his own gunshot wound after murdering Hank, which forever eats away at Walt's conscience for feeling like he got Hank indirectly killed.

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I did warn posters that this idea would severely alter the plot. I was aware that it would ruin the show's story-line, I simply wanted to speculate alternate paths the show could have gone down.

I prefer that Tuco survives his gunshot wound, perhaps after receiving some sort of makeshift medical treatment. What does he do next? Capture Walt and Jesse again, this time, with much more backup, as you said?

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Kidnapping them again would be kind of repetitive. Most likely, he tries killing Walt, and when that fails, Gus (let's say he is already part of the plot by the time this escalates again) has some of his men, namely Mike, kill Tuco and the cousins and then uses the offer of his protection against any further possible cartel threats to talk Walt into cooking for him full time. This is kind of a different permutation of what happened in the series anyhow.

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It's not likely the path the writers would choose, but OK, you're asking a theorrtical...so let's say Dean Norris tells VG he must die in Grilled so he can go off and make a movie, then what?

How about the DEA gets nowhere with the case, after investigating Jesse, so Marie looks to hire a P.I. to find Hank's killer. She asks Walt for help. After discussing this with Saul, they bring Mike into the show a few episodes early, as he investigates and takes out Tuco...sort of revenge from BCS. Mike wins that battle.

In the meantime, you'd need to find someone to takes Hank's place in pursuing Walt, as Klockard mentioned, this was a key storyline in the show.

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In the meantime, you'd need to find someone to takes Hank's place in pursuing Walt, as Klockard mentioned, this was a key storyline in the show.
Even that wouldn't be satisfactory, as the appeal of that storyline wasn't just in the Feds chasing Walt, but the fact that the lead in the case was his own brother-in-law.

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That's why I said this isn't the path the writer's would choose...but we're going under the "what if" Dean left the show premise. Certainly loose out on the entire brother in law...right under his nose story line.

But if he had to leave the show, expect the next best thing is having Marie hire someone to continue the search, in Hank's place.

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But if he had to leave the show, expect the next best thing is having Marie hire someone to continue the search, in Hank's place.


Gomie would have become a much more central character in the show. He would likely have taken up the mantle of Hank's work, trying to find the source for the blue meth, instead of being somewhat of a skeptic until they knew for sure it was Walt. Even then, Gomie wasn't convinced that they'd be able to prove it.

I don't think Marie would have had to do anything, since in my scenario Gomie would have taken over the investigation. Marie would have become a background character, the "family" plot element would have been restricted to just Skyler, Jr. and Holly, and the show would have been a bit more lean I believe.

Unless of course you wanted to have there be some sort of tension between Marie and Gomie if she went and hired a PI (possibly one with connections to Saul, unbeknownst to Marie), then that could have been interesting as well.

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That makes sense. Gomie would have to step up his game, from the more mellow side-kick he was to Hank, but that's do-able.

Could be interesting if, as a counter-measure, Walt brings Mike in to be a P.I. for Marie, so he has the inside scoop on what the DEA is doing...double-agent type stuff.

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Walt brings Mike in to be a P.I. for Marie


I stopped just short of suggesting this, LOL! Yeah, things would have gotten REALLY tangled up then.

I can just hear Walt..."Make sure Marie never finds out ANYTHING!"

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Can hear Mike's response to that...

"No Walter, I would never tell the wife of a murdered DEA agent that I also work for the guy in charge of one of the largest meth rings ever...and that you're his cook...that would be unwise."

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that would be unwise


Best Mike line of the series. Deserved a replay, for sure.

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The most annoying character on the series wouldn't make it until Ozymandias.


That's right.

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BOOM.

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Interesting idea. Yeah, it wouldn't work for the series, but just thinking about it for the BrBa universe, I love it. Walt and Jesse still escape just as they did, and Tuco is ailing from his first wound. It's kind of a matter of "does he survive by the time his cousins get there or not?" Even if he does survive, the cousins would still continue on their path, but now Gus can't suggest Hank to them. Their demise would be different but would still happen.

It's really a matter of Walt never being caught. Think about it... there is no Hank to sit in Walt's bathroom to see the Whitman book. Yeah, other DEA would be working the blue meth and Hank's murder, but no one was as invested as Hank. I doubt anyone would have picked up on the RV because that was Hank's obsession with following teeners.

So Jesse gets to do his rolling meth lab while Walt and Gale work in the superlab. Things would actually be pretty sublime. Jesse would be at real risk of getting nabbed, but would he implicate Walt at that point? He only discussed ratting out Walt after Hank beat him to a pulp, which would not happen in this scenario.

Other unforseen things could arise, of course, but I at least see Jesse and Walt parting ways with Gale and Walt in the superlab. It's anybody's guess as to the course of events afterward. Anybody's "fan fiction," that is. ;)

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I'm clearly thinking off the top of my head, but Jesse could still implicate Walt if Jesse gets busted with an RV lab. It's not like getting beat up by Hank made Jesse lose loyalty. Things were already tense with him and Walt. Would Walt be in enough contact with Jesse then though... to worry Jesse would rat him out and then make him a partner instead of working with Gale?

I'll have to think on this more. The events of Hank beating up Jesse and Jesse's reaction to it, set the course for Jesse being brought into the superlab and havoc ensuing with Tomas and such. Hmm, we have to still assume Jesse goes after those dealers. Even if he and Walt aren't partners at this point, Jesse would presumably tell Walt because Combo's death happened when they were partners, and Jesse was so upset.

If Jesse and Walt weren't in the superlab together though, what happens next? Hmm... quite the mess. (As if the real course of events with Hank making it past "Grilled" aren't a mess too. :p )

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