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Bring back Superintendent Strange


The Superintendent in Morse was such fun! Always very cross, but in a pleasant way and quite reasonable. This lady just sounds bitchy and disagreeable. Can one use the "m" word? Perhaps not, but all the symptoms are there!
I've only seen the first 3 episodes, but as someone has already mentioned, in "Expiation" she just sounds deranged! Lewis and Hathaway have just solved 2 murders and she's shouting at them!
As a woman, I find women in positions of authority are increasingly tedious as represented in films or TV (with the exception of Helen Mirren as Tennyson).

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Firstly, the actor who played Superintendent Strange in Morse, James Grout, was born in 1927. This means that when Morse finished in 2000, he was in reality 73 years old, even if his character was perhaps meant to be a few years younger. Not surprising then that by the time Lewis started in 2006 with the pilot episode, later called "Reputation," the story line was that Superintendent Strange had retired from the police force. If he hadn't, he would have been aged 79!

In reality, the actor himself had poor health for the last years of his life and, apparently, had to give up acting as a direct result of this. Moreover, the actor died in 2012, so, sadly, it would be impossible to bring him back under any circumstances.

On a slightly different tack, I read somewhere once that when ITV planned to bring back Lewis, they wanted, for continuity reasons, to have another character (in addition to Lewis himself) who had connections back to Morse. Since James Grout was unavailable for the reasons given above, they turned to actress Clare Holman (who had played forensic pathologist. Doctor Laura Hobson in the last five episodes of Morse). She agreed to appear in this same role in this sequel show. I bet she never imagined that she would remain with Lewis for the whole ten years of its run, becoming, as time went by, an increasingly important central character.

On such decisions, careers and reputations can often depend!

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It's an important point you bring up. Lewis is so much more connected by the second character coming from Morse.

We have all seen spin-offs with no initial characters and then when just one pops over. Laura was a brilliant choice as a character to make that leap. Not only because Clare is a terrific actress but because of the way the storyline was able to go with her and Robbie's relationship.

Other than Laura, Grayling and Max as Pathologists, Strange, Robbie and Morse was there ever other character who made more than one appearance?

You can see what they are doing with Endeavour by filling it with as much Morse history as possible, such as Copley-Barnes etc. as well as the early Strange..



'tler

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No, apart from the previous pathologists and Strange, I don't think any other character apart from Laura Hobson made more than one appearance in Morse.

I agree with you that Clare Holman is a marvellous actress. Although she has quite a long filmography and list of television appearances, why she hasn't had more success overall in her career (with the consequent recognition) is beyond me.

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Agreed, she just doesn't have the look of the deranged psycho or typical flawed lead character. She' too gosh darned lovely and to use an awful Americanism.... wholesome. Everything I have ever seen her in, such as Death in Paradise or Silent Witness (the first time) she is typecast as wife-fodder. However, she was great in the last Silent Witness (S19) where she played typical wife-fodder with a secret....

If my wife wasn't even lovelier than Laura and Carol Kirkwood rolled into one...... The strangeness of it all was that Robbie took so bloody long to get his act together....

'tler

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I've seen Clare Holman play a killer in other shows.
Don't recall which ones.


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remember: tv is called PROGRAMMING, items of news are STORIES

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I recall her as a widow in Midsomer Murders.

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yeah, there was an episode of "Midsomer Murders" where Holman played a widow who turned to prostitution to help make ends meet.... I think someone tried to frame her for murder in that episode, if I recall correctly.....

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It's an episode from Season 9 called "Country Matters". She also appeared in another Season 5 episode "Ring Out Your Dead".

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I adore Clare Holman. She is naturally pretty, and a wonderful actress. Her work in Fallen Angel was that of a genious. She pulled off playing the same woman aged 25, 40 and 60.

Some actresses, like her and Monica Dolan, just do not get the recognision they deserve.

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I disagree - I think that Holman is a terrible match for Whately's Lewis as she is just too "bland". I would have preferred someone more impish and "fun", like perhaps Jane Booker or Marsha Fitzalan.

"Don't ever let them catch you acting!" (Lillian Gish)

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Well that's a first.

I always thought Laura was quite fun and impish. Right from The way through the woods "I'm looking for a Chief Inspector Mouse?". I always thought she rather understood Robbie, got that his career was important, Laura would rarely put herself first.

Maybe it's a man thing. If I were Robbie I would be there like a rat up a drainpipe rather than the slow-poke he was in getting around to it.

'tler

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Agree. Her character is very appealing, but not sure if a good match for Lewis. Someone a bit more flighty would have had more need for Lewis' groundedness, and he for her airyness.

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If David McCallum ever retires. I'd like to see Laura move across the pond and take Ducky's place at NCIS.

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" I bet she never imagined "

I bet she did imagine. She made sure to play the part very well no doubt for just this reason.

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You mean Supt. Innocent? I have to admit that during the many scenes when she was berating Lewis in her office, my mind pictured him doing rather naughty things with her. I'm sorry.

It's nice to hear Rebecca Front narrating 'The Supervet' in recent years. She has a lovely voice.

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I agree that Rebecca Front's Jean Innocent was written to be strict and remote, even harsh, in the first couple of seasons, but rest assured that she became a great deal warmer in subsequent years. Eventually she seemed to regard Lewis and Hathaway as her best detectives and special favorites, granting them privileges and even going out with them socially (to the pub in a group, not on dates, of course).

I used to wonder if the writers hadn't gone too far, in fact. In a real life work situation a manager can't afford to show that kind of partiality.

Perhaps this is why, in the final season (season 9), which hasn't aired in the United States yet, Jean Innocent's character is moved on somehow and a new superintendent is installed. I gather from comments by those who have seen the newest shows that he isn't the warm, indulgent supervisor that Jean Innocent had become. I suspect that the producers wanted to introduce a new element of conflict and tension into the narratives.

And I can't imagine what "m" word you could be referring to. Matron?

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I think creedal meant menopause

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"In a real life work situation a manager can't afford to show that kind of partiality."

Even so, it often happens anyway, human nature being what it is.

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I think that as female bosses go she isn't bad. i don't think she's as aggressive as they sometimes are.

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I loved Strange as well, with his no nonsense "Now you listen to me matey" attitude, and the grudging respect he had for Morse, and that he cared for Morse...almost in a fatherly way when coming down on him for scotch in his teacup.

But Lewis kind of makes a jump, and we're suddenly in the "World of Modern Policing", whatever that is, and I think Innocent is a perfect fit for that. As you get to know her, she isn't always bitchy, and is often supportive. And unlike Strange, she pitches in with ideas, and helps with the cases. I like her. Lewis doesn't need a Strange. Morse did.

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with the exception of Helen Mirren as Tennyson


Helen Mirren's character was SO uptight and ANGRY; always ready to explode for no reason! She seemed 100% menopausal.

She was basically a NIGHTMARE as an employee! She took her MOODS out on everyone around her! She complained, or grouched, all the time; or she was silent and "stomped around." She couldn't get along with her superiors, nor with those under her. She wasn't a team player; she "grated" on everyone. She ALWAYS had something to say, but not until everything blew up. Yet, when she could mitigate a circumstance, by sharing information, she holds back.

Most annoying was her constant "harried/worried" demeanor. She was ALWAYS running late while she kept others waiting, so she must have been very disorganized! To get out of the door (either at home or at work) she was always "pulling on a jacket" while doing a running-walk, or frantically searching for keys, or grabbing at papers on the way, or mumbling incoherent statements. She desperately needed her coffee but never budgeted time to drink it, and she NEVER combed her dang hair!

She couldn't have a healthy relationship with men, not those at work nor those she "dated." In fact, she would BLAME the men that she was with, for being "not what she needed" and "not what was good for her." She was HORRIBLE to her father, then whined that he preferred her sister. She was NASTY to her sister, then complained that her sister never called or included her. Helen Mirren has an "arch" demeanor anyway, but when she tried to make her "Jane Tennyson" character "more human," the character appeared weak, ambivalent, paranoid, or borderline nuts.

I couldn't STAND her character! She (Helen Mirren AND Jane Tennyson) had that incomprehensible "post-feminist" view that to be a "strong woman," one is a rude, judgmental, incompetent, man-hater.

























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She was basically a NIGHTMARE as an employee! She took her MOODS out on everyone around her! She complained, or grouched, all the time; or she was silent and "stomped around." She couldn't get along with her superiors, nor with those under her. She wasn't a team player; she "grated" on everyone. She ALWAYS had something to say, but not until everything blew up. Yet, when she could mitigate a circumstance, by sharing information, she holds back.

Most annoying was her constant "harried/worried" demeanor. She was ALWAYS running late while she kept others waiting, so she must have been very disorganized! To get out of the door (either at home or at work) she was always "pulling on a jacket" while doing a running-walk, or frantically searching for keys, or grabbing at papers on the way, or mumbling incoherent statements. She desperately needed her coffee but never budgeted time to drink it, and she NEVER combed her dang hair!

She couldn't have a healthy relationship with men, not those at work nor those she "dated." In fact, she would BLAME the men that she was with, for being "not what she needed" and "not what was good for her." She was HORRIBLE to her father, then whined that he preferred her sister. She was NASTY to her sister, then complained that her sister never called or included her.


Change every she to he and you have a pretty spot on description of Endeavour Morse there.

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What happened to CS Jean Innocent? She was on the show for years then all of a sudden this Moody guy showed up, did I miss something?

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She's been transferred. That was mentioned in the beginning of One for Sorrow.

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