Probably the best line of the film, also: does anyone know if he really said this? I'm going to use the line next time I play pong. Also, didn't Nixon's assistant look like the crazy guy from the six flags commercial?
--------------------- There's always a siren singing you to shipwreck -Thom Yorke
Yes, Swifty Lazar looks exactly like that from the Six Flags ads, who I think was based on him. As for "Did you fornicate last night," I'm going to ask that of the next stranger I sit next to on the bus. I don't know if Nixon really asked that question in real life, but I suspect not.
That was a quick question made just before the interview started, so the Frost'd get shocked, and it'd distract him at least a little bit from what he had planned to say, its used in debates and that sort of things. I don't know if Nixon really said that, probably we'll never know. I really liked the movie, and it gave me an idea of Nixon's presidency, since I don't know practically anything about US political history.
That's what I thought, Nixon looked at his girlfriend, got the idea, then laid the boom. Yea, I doubt he said that, And I don't know how much of what came out of Frank Langellas mouth was what Nixon would have said (Especially when they were looking into Frosts background Nixon commented on him courting a black woman.) It's important to keep in mind when watching the film that Ron Howard is a raging progressive.
--------------------- There's always a siren singing you to shipwreck -Thom Yorke
Yea, you're right, he may have said those things. Who knows what was said off the record 30+ years ago.
He must have been a funny guy, to make completely ignorant comments like the one about blacks coming "right out of the trees" and be totally serious about it. It's like something your crazy grandfather would say.
I respect him because he didn't bend to the PC game that the libs like to play.
--------------------- There's always a siren singing you to shipwreck -Thom Yorke
'Don't forget that this was thirty years ago and things were a lot different then'. I see what you mean by that comment, and while your statement is true, it is no excuse for words or attitudes like that. It just may have been more tolerated back then.
He did actually asked if Frost did any fornication in the weekend, but the movie takes it out of context. In the movie it's supposed to shock Frost to put him off guard, while in real life he just wanted to make small talk like he was one of the guys but totally failed.
And it should be noted that he was a piker compared to Lyndon B Johnson, Al Gore Sr. etc. These guys, among many other Dems., fought to stop the 1964 Civil Rights Act legislation from becoming law. No one is comparing political parties here in terms of racial bigotry but I can't help but 'sense' its implied and/or believed by some of the younger folks that the Rep party is/was the party of prejudice, bigotry/racism and a general hatred of black Americans. Those old videos you see every year around MLK Day were incidents (fire hoses/ German Shepard's being turned on blacks, beatings, bus burning etc) were recorded in Democrat controlled areas of the country/south. Bull Connor and George Wallace were Democrats. Many whites believed blacks to be inferior, descended from apes etc. To their credit, quite a few came to terms with their bigotry later in life and tried to make amends.Dem.Sen.Robert Byrd for example was a former KKK member. It just infuriates me how the Libs have brain washed so many young people that the Rep./Tea Party are a party of racists. There was enough of bigotry going around in all parties at one time or the other. It lives on today in various forms of legislation based on the thought that 'blacks' can't compete with whites so they need to be given an artificial advantages. Many lib/Dems., truly believing that blacks are inferior and they keep racial tensions alive and well with their bs, I have no problem letting the chips fall where they may - just don't lie about it. The sin of omission is just as despicable. The Lib media are well versed in this too. Win with truth, with ideas - thats supposed to be the American way.
Nixon was an odd guy. He did break the law. The thing you need to keep in mind is that those were very scary times and his paranoid personality is what caused him to act as he did. To the WWII generation it appeared the country was literally being destroyed from within. He justified to himself that to protect the country he needed to win the election. Portraying him as a dime store crook, a run of the mill thief is not presenting the truth or accurately showing the man. I you truly believed that communists were about to control the country you had just fought so hard to preserve in WWII only a few years prior, how far would you be willing to go to prevent this from happening ??
Nixon, his personality quirks getting in the way again, believed he was the man to do the job. He didn't do what he did because he was a Bernie Maddoff type - it wasn't for 'power' or money - he was delusional - thinking he had a mandate from the 'silent majority' to retain the reins of power at any cost so as to save the country from the commies within. In this movie there was a scene when he pushed for 600k instead of 550k to do the interview. No doubt he, like many of us, liked to make/have money. But I really don't think he was in this for the money and I doubt he uttered those words - at least not in the way as it was portrayed in this movie. In these days of book deals, movie rights, celebrity tv appearances etc., its easy to think he might have concocted the break in with an eye toward future book deals, film and TV interviews etc. If not for his mental problems I doubt any of what happened would have. He was a very intelligent man, had high ideals/principals but no insight into just how screwed up he was psychologically.His paranoia was his downfall not his greed/love of money. Its a shame he made it all the way to the White House, it never should have happened. But I can't 'hate' a person because they have/had psych. issues. Be embarrassed for them, yes but 'hate' ? No. If only, back in the day, this modern bumper day sticker/T-shirt existed: "Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you' and he saw it enough times to give it some thought, spark some 'introspection' (guided by a competent psychotherapist), who knows what great things he might have gone on to accomplish ??
What on God's green Earth are you ranting about? Johnson was the President who pushed the Civil Rights Act through Congress, and Gore was one of its strongest Congressional supporters. If you're going to pose as an "expert" the least you could do is approach coherence.
"I may not punish you for treason, but I could slap you for stupidity."
Lyndon Johnson is the guy who pushed the Civil Rights Act through, and Albert Gore Sr lost his Senate seat in part because he opposed racial segregation and the Vietnam War. You need better examples.
The fornicate line is exactly the kind of thing Nixon would have said. He *beep* plenty of people throughout his political career, but was careful not to use that word in public. Just the kind of hypocrite he was. But he sure used that kind of foul language in private...just listen to the White House tapes.
Oh, by the way does being a raging progressive mean Ron Howard is not trustworthy?...unlike being a raging conservative?
Yes, he did say that, but the context was slightly different -- he didn't pop the "fornicate" question with several seconds to go before the cameras rolled, but a few minutes before the protagonists took their seats. Jim Reston describes it in his book:
First David appeared, transformed as usual into his star capacity, greeting all effusively. Then Nixon appeared in the kitchen doorway. David was as friendly as ever, and asked him if he had had a nice weekend. Nixon nodded, noncommital.
"And how about you?" the president returned. "Did you drink much?" David's love for Pouilly Fuisse had become a matter of increasing curiosity for Nixon. David chuckled
"And," said Nixon, "did you fornicate?"
So stunned was the assemblage at this presidential prurience that, as much as it was discussed later among us, no one, including David Frost, could remember what he had replied. For once, Frost's aplomb failed him. What could one reply? Perhaps, someone suggested later, if only David had begun describing a tremendous Hollywood orgy, complete with women of all sizes, shapes and races, and endless orgasms, Nixon would have turned on his heel and run away in terror.
-- Reston, The Conviction of Richard Nixon p.164
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I think there is also an important dramatic reason for Ron Howard showing Nixon asking the question at that point, just as the cameras are about to roll. Because he then goes on to show Frost asking Nixon about the (admittedly ficticious) drunken phone call at the same moment prior to the final interview. Both men are totally thrown by the respective comments and the suggestion is that a subtle shifting of the balance of power has occured between them.
I did laugh more at the 'Monte Carlo' line though.
From what I've read, yes, Nixon did make disorienting comments to Frost before many (perhaps most) of the sessions, just as Frost was being cued to start the interview. As Birt in the movie says, they were headgames Nixon was playing.
But whether the comments were similar to the ones written for the movie, I can't be sure.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
Yyes, it's a good line because it's so unexpected for a US president or former president to say that to someone who he is not close personal friends with, it seems out of character for someone perceived to be as stiff as Richard Nixon was.
But, the public perception is not the total of the man, Nixon certainly wasn't above getting a menta edge over his "opponents".