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Coming from a Christian perspective.....


I am an ex-fundamentalist. I am only familiar with these books thru my christian girl friends. We devoured them!! I am surprised non-christians and women/men of other lifestyles can relate to Austen. It seems her writing is so pure, keep it zipped until marriage, care about morals, watch out for what the world will think of you...etc. Maybe I'm still shallow, I have a lot to learn about others. What do you have to say about my observations? be nice, please.

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Are you asking why people are interested in this movie, why are the characters of the movie interested in Jane Austen, or why are people still reading Jane Austen's books?

If it is the first, the movie is about modern people, with 21st century ideals. None of them seem to be "keeping it zipped".

If it is the 2nd, I believe each of these characters are seeking some safety and comfort from the perils of their modern lives by retreating to an imagined "simpler time"....which is an overly romantic view of a time in history when women had no rights, no voice, no vote, and no power --- outside the bedroom.

If you are asking why people today are still reading Jane Austen, nearly 200 years later, that's a complex question and whole college courses are dedicated to that subject.

In a nutshell I think it's interesting to see how women lived, what kind of legal and moral rights they had, what their options were, and how they coped. It's as much anthropology and human nature as entertainment.

If you're interested in meeting other people (usually women) in your area that enjoy Austen, you might try to find a local chapter of the Jane Austen Society of North America. They are in many cities, enjoy studying JA, and generally have monthly meetings.

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Jane Austen's novels, or this movie, have nothing to do with christian "morals."

Austen wrote in a time of repressed sexuality and her writing reflects that. And her writing is anything but "pure." There is plenty of "immorality" if judged by the standards of Austen's time.

And I think if you read "Pride and Prejudice" closely you'll find that Austen disapproved of society shaming Lydia for her "immorality." Nobody says "Lydia is a slut"--the concern is all about how society would perceive her actions. I think Austen knew that society's rules about morality were ridiculous. It's subtle, but writing when she did she couldn't very well come right out and say what she really thought.

"Sense and Sensibility" is another good condemnation of society's expectations. Austen makes it pretty clear that it is horrible for a woman to have to be dependent that way.

I'm trying to be nice, but the assumption that people behaving in moral ways could only be appreciated by Christians is pretty rude.

And I don't think Jesus ever preached "watch out for what the world will think of you." That was invented by uptight social-climbing hypocrites.

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They have everything to do with patriarchy=Abrahamic faiths morality (not just Christianity), everything.

And to write like that in her years made sense, but for females to only feel fulfilled through marriage in the 21st century is truly depressing.

***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**

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In addition to everything that Obvlivion said below, I'd like to point out what a difference the availability of birth control has made.

People in Jane Austen's time weren't repressed about sex or obedient to patriarchal mores because they were super-pure or devout, they behaved that way because any genital contact between men and women was likely to produce a child. Families with assets to protect wanted to ensure that future generations maintained or improved the family's situation, so they did everything in their power to make their children marry advantageously, and they were absolutely ruthless in rejecting daughters who did any thing pre/extramarital, or their sons' illegitimate children (the sons themselves were forgiven). Any unauthorized breeding was a stain on the entire family, young people led very restricted lives just to prevent that, especially girls. Staying "pure" was treated as their primary purpose in life, even if they were capable of so much more than breeding.

Miss Austen wanted her characters to marry for love, which didn't happen very often in real life. Men married for advantage, women married anyone they could get as it was the only way they could ever leave their parents house, younger sons and dowry-less girls married anyone with money, arranged marriages still happened - remember in "Pride and Prejudice" Mr. Darcy was expected to marry his cousin Anne? Marriage in Austen's time may have been sexually pure, but financially it was a damned ruthless business, and Austen wanted marriage to be more.




“Seventy-seven courses and a regicide, never a wedding like it!

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What grumpy otter said. You might think that Austen was "pure" and a goody two-shoes today, but in her times her writing was quite daring. Her works were subtly critical of the hypocritical high culture of her time. You see, she was a romantic. That alone was barely considered above immorality at a time when most marriages were arranged and strictly limited by class or wealth.

We take those things for granted now, because even the most rigid fundamentalists today have discarded those practices (well... except for people like the Taliban). But if you're the romantic kind, Christian or not, you really wouldn't like living in Austen's world were women were mostly treated like trophies or at worst, like breeding mares for heirs.

Morals are societal rules. They are artificial, often their only merit being that they are traditional. Morality should never be equated with true virtues like compassion, honesty, kindness, mercy, etc. In fact, that is the core of Jesus' teachings. That goodness does not come from following rules. Jesus himself preached to and forgave sinners, from prostitutes to thieves, something considered immoral by the Jewish clergy. Fundamentalists seem to have missed that point completely, in favor of strict adherence to unbreakable "laws", which ironically make them reminiscent of the Pharisees whom Jesus hated.

The greatest and most profound examples of true goodness are when people insist on doing them even when they break a moral law in doing so. Nobody remembers the people who simply followed the rules of their society, no matter what. Instead, history is filled with people who did good DESPITE the prevailing rules of their society. We usually call them heroes, saints, or martyrs. Goodness that does not come from memorization of proper behavior, but goodness that is given for its own sake. The parable of the good Samaritan is one of the best examples of that.

And there is nothing "pure" about watching out for what the world will think of you. That's called vanity and pride.

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Wait, so you think only Christians are "pure"? Only Christians wait until marriage? Only Christians care about morals? Only Christians care about what the world thinks? I certainly hope that in the years since you posted this you have learned not to be such a narrow minded person. I hope you have learn from your past ignorance, and have opened yourself up to learning more about other people in the world.

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That was always one of my biggest issues about Austen fan groups (social, online, JASNA, etc.) — fundamentalist Christians who got involved because they thought Austen was “safe” reading. (They used terms like pure, clean, G-rated, wholesome, godly, etc.)

Ick.

They didn’t read her fiction closely enough.


Plus there’s also how People are always projecting the morality of the Victorian era onto the morality in the regency period.

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