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A few musings on how I think the ending could have been improved...

posted 8 years ago by TheGutterMonkey
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I started watching True Blood when it first aired on HBO. I quit watching it live after season 4. Recently, I decided to finally go back and finish the entire damn thing, so I had a two week marathon where I watched all seven seasons in a row and, ugh, I did not enjoy that ending. From what I read after watching it, I was glad to see I wasn't alone. Here's a few ways I would have preferred it to have gone:

• Sookie should have ended up with either Bill, Eric, or Sam. Hell, even the wolfman would have been fine (especially if we're going with the whole "she's gotta have babies to feel alive!" nonsense). As long as it was someone out of the choices we'd been given. I'm fairly certain, judging by all of the negative audience reactions, that this isn't even a subjective opinion. It would have definitely made the show better no matter which of these men she chose (I was rooting for Bill, since he'd finally become somewhat likable again, but, seriously, either of the other three would have been fine). Having her end up with a random, white, supposedly human guy didn't appear to be in tune with any message the show had previously tried to instill in us, either. Where once it was about embracing the differences between everyone and fighting for your true love at all costs, in the end it suddenly became about fitting in and being normal, even if you have to sacrifice your true love and wind up with a homogeneous nobody to do so. I mean... wtf?

• Sookie gets turned into a vampire. Why not? I was sort of expecting this to happen the entire time, seeing as though it would have been a necessity to keep her vampire relationships going for more than 50 years. This appeared to be an especially obvious idea after it was established that she could help vamps walk in the sun. If Sookie had turned, she would have become a super vamp like Warlow, who could even help her vampire boyfriend walk in the sun with her (via her blood).

• If the writers were intent on Bill dying, then at least go about it in a different method. Maybe one that's even slightly consistent with the past 7 seasons. It always seemed to me that True Blood had a pretty firm focus on how it was okay to be different, weird, and how segregation just wasn't cool. Yet the entire theme with Bill's death appeared to be a quest for Sookie to live a "normal" life, without a vampire getting in the way. Why? Because a vampire can't have babies, apparently. Nevermind that neither can any of the other vampire/human couples on the show. Nor can any homosexual couples, for that matter. And some people don't even want babies. Yet, according to Bill's suicide mission, babies are apparently the only essential thing on earth that are worth living for; conquering even the deepest love between a woman and a man (or a vamp). Perhaps my opinion on this would be slightly more understanding if Sookie had spent even a modicum of time in past seasons complaining about how not having babies was a big problem for her. But she never did that. In fact, she seemed to happily jump into one vampire fling after another — knowing children would never come from it — without giving babies a second thought. Even if this weren't the case, however, she could have adopted. To me, Bill's death (if it had to happen) would have been much better served if he'd either:

1.) Not gotten the cure for Hep V in time and wound up dying from it,
2.) If there never had been a cure for it and he died from it,
3.) If he killed himself before hearing about there being a cure,
4.) If he'd died in the act of saving Sookie one last time (sort of cliche, but so is a random wedding during the series final of a TV series),
5.) If he'd never even mentioned anything about his death being for Sookie's "normal life", and instead proclaimed something about how tired of living he's become after over one hundred years (this, too, would be lame and inconsistent with the rest of the series, though). Or hey, how about his motive for death being that he felt he deserved it after turning into a monstrous killing machine in the previous seasons,

Pretty much anything other than that pointless death of a main character would have been better. There were simply too many problems to find in this. For another example, how about the irony that Bill died to help Sookie be happy by, ipso facto, causing her to live the remainder of her life with the devastating knowledge that she was the cause of that death. What sense does this make? Now her one true love is dead, she has to live with the burden of both giving him Hep V and staking him, and she's now forced to live with the undoubtedly traumatic memory of having seen the man she loves literally explode right in front of her. And we're supposed to believe this is going to make her live a happier life? If it does, then it really makes Sookie seem like an awful human being. If it doesn't, then it makes Bill seem equally awful. If anyone with half a brain bothers to sit down and analyze this plot line, they'll immediately see one flaw after another in it. It just didn't work in so many ways and shouldn't have happened.

• Actually, how about have Eric die instead. Yeah, yeah. I know. All the gals like him and want him with Sookie. But, honestly, his more sinister ways really wouldn't have worked well with Sookie's goody-two-shoes character in the long run. Perhaps having him die to save Bill (for Sookie's sake) would have been a much more powerful outcome in the end. Because, honestly, Bill and Sookie just fit better and this would have been a great redemption for Eric while simultaneously acting as proof of how good and selfless he really was underneath it all.

• Just have Sookie knock Hoyt's memories back into his glamoured head like she's done with so many other glamoured characters. While it's okay having a glammored character show up and re-fall in love with someone he used to be enamoured with (a la, letting us know how true love can't be stopped no matter how much you try), it's sort of ridiculous to have him just suddenly marry the girl who he only remembers from one night prior. Not to mention having a guy (Jason) who he remembers nothing about as his best man at their wedding (a wedding filled only with people who he either doesn't remember or hasn't heard from in over a year; or however long it was). A simple un-glammoring would have at least made this silly part of the episode slightly more tolerable, as far as believability goes. As it is, though, in Hoyt's POV, he's marrying someone he doesn't know, accepting that he's best friends with a guy he just met, leaving his girlfriend alone in a strange town without a second thought, and doing so all after his mother died — and he's being strangely cool with all of this. It just makes zero sense.

• Better yet, how about we just do away with the wedding scene all together. I don't know about anyone else, but I kept looking at the clock during this entire ceremony, knowing this was the last episode and getting very frustrated by how much time it was eating into. Don't get me wrong, I was all in with the Jessica and Hoyt reunion (regardless of how forced in it was), but this was the last episode. C'mon. All that time could have been much better spent.

• This is kind of a shallow point that isn't really important at all, but I can't help but voice how distracted I was by the fact that Eric suddenly had the body of The Hulk this season. I didn't like it. It was weird and I couldn't stop noticing it. So I would have preferred the actor to have saved his body building for at least the end of filming. I dunno. Maybe I'm just weird.

S.C.W.
www.TheGutterMonkey.com

[–] Maggiesview 8 years ago

On your last point. There was no time for Skarsgard to body build after the last scene for TB was filmed. He would never have been ready for the first day of filming for The Legend of Tarzan. Skarsgard did not want to even be in Season 7 of TB as it was and there had to be considerable negotiation as it was to persuade him to do it. I imagine that accepting the changes in his body was just one of the consessions that had to be made. They could have just left him dead as he was at the end of S6 but there was a fan meltdown after S6 ended that meant they had to bring him back. Because of this, there was no chance that the writers could get away with killing off Eric

The two least popular character by the end of S6 shown in poll affect poll were Sookie and Bill. No one cared about them. Most wanted Sookie to be killed off and many wanted it to be Bill or both of them. People didn't care who Sookie ended up with as long as it wasn't Eric or Bill who they considered too good for her, . By S7 fans wre just hoping Bill would just diealready. They were sick to death of his wishy washy personality , boring flashbacks and inability to kill himself although all he did was moan and groan and bemoan his fate as a common garden variety vampire. He loved being Billith but when he lost his godlike powers he started whinning again. Bill just couldn't be left alive but should, as you say,have said ,died a different kind of death than he did. Killing himself without involving anyone else because he just didn't have the courage to live with his crimes or as an ordinary vampire would have at least shown a certain kind of courage that he had never previously shown before and given him a certain fitting end. Actually,HBO was willing to go on to a season 8 or beyond of TB but the fans were unwilling to go on without Eric and Skarsgard was unwilling to go past S7.

[–] TheGutterMonkey 8 years ago

On your last point. There was no time for Skarsgard to body build after the last scene for TB was filmed. He would never have been ready for the first day of filming for The Legend of Tarzan. Skarsgard did not want to even be in Season 7 of TB as it was and there had to be considerable negotiation as it was to persuade him to do it. I imagine that accepting the changes in his body was just one of the consessions that had to be made. They could have just left him dead as he was at the end of S6 but there was a fan meltdown after S6 ended that meant they had to bring him back. Because of this, there was no chance that the writers could get away with killing off Eric

Well, that last point was meant to be taken more tongue in cheek than as an actual burning criticism of the show. I figured it would be a good idea to end my indignant butthurtedness with a bit of levity. However, I do appreciate the back story behind Eric's sudden, frustratingly-destracting giganticism. So thanks. lol

The two least popular character by the end of S6 shown in poll affect poll were Sookie and Bill. No one cared about them. Most wanted Sookie to be killed off and many wanted it to be Bill or both of them. People didn't care who Sookie ended up with as long as it wasn't Eric or Bill who they considered too good for her, . By S7 fans wre just hoping Bill would just diealready. They were sick to death of his wishy washy personality , boring flashbacks and inability to kill himself although all he did was moan and groan and bemoan his fate as a common garden variety vampire. He loved being Billith but when he lost his godlike powers he started whinning again. Bill just couldn't be left alive but should, as you say,have said ,died a different kind of death than he did. Killing himself without involving anyone else because he just didn't have the courage to live with his crimes or as an ordinary vampire would have at least shown a certain kind of courage that he had never previously shown before and given him a certain fitting end.

I see you're oddly passionate about your disdain of Bill haha. Well, that's fine. I appreciate people getting way into their fiction (I have a similar tendency at times). Also, I can't really argue with someone's opinion. In my own opinion, however, love it or hate it, the entire series seemed to be about Bill and Sookie. They were the two main protagonists, regardless of how much the writers screwed up their characters. It would have been a bit bizarre to kill off either of them before the final season. I'm not sure about where these audience polls come from or who decides the degree of their validity, but even if I were to go by the assumption that they were true, I'd hope that the writers wouldn't pander to such things. Instead, they should have spent the last few seasons improving the story and those severely muddled-up characters. Sadly, that didn't appear to happen though lol.

Actually,HBO was willing to go on to a season 8 or beyond of TB but the fans were unwilling to go on without Eric and Skarsgard was unwilling to go past S7.

I think I'm inclined to agree with the fans: the show probably would have gotten even worse if they'd gotten rid of Eric and continued the show without him. In past seasons, I would have been okay with this (sad, but I'd move on), but unfortunately, by the seventh season, he was one of the few characters left who wasn't completely ruined (aside from his Hulk-bod), so it would have been very difficult to continue watching without him.

Anywho. Thanks for the response!

S.C.W.
www.TheGutterMonkey.com

[–] cocogurl-95192 8 years ago

I didn't like that Sookie ended up with some random guy that we didn't even see, but I still would prefer that to her ending up with Bill. Just about anything was better than that in my book. If I would've changed anything, I would've ended Sookie's obsession with Bill Compton seasons ago because it really crippled her character.

Apart from that and Eric dying, though, I agree with a lot of your points. Very disappointing series finale.

[–] TheGutterMonkey 8 years ago

I didn't like that Sookie ended up with some random guy that we didn't even see, but I still would prefer that to her ending up with Bill. Just about anything was better than that in my book. If I would've changed anything, I would've ended Sookie's obsession with Bill Compton seasons ago because it really crippled her character.

Yeah, for a series that was essentially a love story, it seemed very out of place for our main protagonist to end up with a character whose face we don't even see, name we don't even know, and who is completely irrelevant to anything in the story. If it were set up correctly in previous seasons, I think that the show could have worked with Sookie and Bill subtly drifting further apart to the point that there was not hint at them harboring any romantic love toward one another. Then again, if we're going to go back and re-write the past seasons, they could have just as well not destroyed Bills character in the first place. But c'est la vie.

Apart from that and Eric dying, though, I agree with a lot of your points. Very disappointing series finale.

Well I certainly wouldn't have liked for Eric to die. But if he were to somehow die in order to save Bill (in order to make Sookie be happy with the man she loved), I just feel that it would have at least been a more meaningful, memorable, emotional and fitting end for a character. Sure, it wouldn't have made the final episode especially good, but I think, for me at least, it would have been more likely to evoke a legitimate emotion from me, other than the annoyance I found myself with at the end of the episode we got. Eric was a good character — one of the few left from that last season — and a heroic death would have worked well for him. Bill's "heroic death" didn't work well at all.

Thanks for your response!

S.C.W.
www.TheGutterMonkey.com

[–] winterlea-666 8 years ago

But if he were to somehow die in order to save Bill (in order to make Sookie be happy with the man she loved), I just feel that it would have at least been a more meaningful, memorable, emotional and fitting end for a character.

Sookie could never have been 'happy' with her procurer, her rapist, her manipulator.

She would have been controlled and used by Compton as she had been from the moment he allowed her to be beaten almost to death.

Sookie's 'love' for Compton was a blood induced delusion as a result of the Compton 'roofie' after the Rattray attack.

Every attempt by Sookie to reassert her independence as the blood control began to wane would be countered by Compton through his manipulation of yet another life threatening injury for Sookie.

Another 'convenient' opportunity for Compton to force yet another dose of his 'control' down her throat.

Compton was a weasel. Never a hero. He died the death of the manipulative coward he always had been. Using and manipulating Sookie from beginning to end.

No thanks. Eric dying to save that a/hole would have been utterly contemptible and completely ridiculous.

Unpalatable truths are no less true.

[–] TheGutterMonkey 8 years ago

Sookie could never have been 'happy' with her procurer, her rapist, her manipulator.

She would have been controlled and used by Compton as she had been from the moment he allowed her to be beaten almost to death.

Sookie's 'love' for Compton was a blood induced delusion as a result of the Compton 'roofie' after the Rattray attack.

Every attempt by Sookie to reassert her independence as the blood control began to wane would be countered by Compton through his manipulation of yet another life threatening injury for Sookie.

Another 'convenient' opportunity for Compton to force yet another dose of his 'control' down her throat.

Compton was a weasel. Never a hero. He died the death of the manipulative coward he always had been. Using and manipulating Sookie from beginning to end.

No thanks. Eric dying to save that a/hole would have been utterly contemptible and completely ridiculous.

Yikes. You're quite the sensitive one, eh? Haha. What is it they call you all? Trubbies? #TeamEric Style? lol

But anyway, you're mistake here appears to be confusing real-life logic with the logic of this television series; a television series which freely tosses logic out the window at every opportunity — in regards to both the reality of life and the reality of people. In real life, both Eric and Bill would be irredeemably evil in the eyes of most all of us due to their murderous backgrounds. Both would "deserve" death (assuming you're pro-death penalty, that is).

As far as the actual show went, however, it was unquestionably about Bill and Sookie. And while Bill had been sinister on the show, and it was addressed in the show, in the end (according to show-logic) it's made clear that the love between Bill and Sookie was real, regardless of its origins (the only caveat being that vamps and fairies are apparently drawn to each other by nature; which, come to think of it, why would that make it any less "real" either?). Hence the writers attempts at giving Bill a "heroic death" and his and Sookie's final moments together (and plethora of moments together throughout the entire series). With that being said, my only point was that if Bill had to die on the show, it could have at least been accomplished in a different, less meaningless manner. The intention of Bills death at the end of the series was obviously meant to be complimentary to the character, not to show him die like a "manipulative coward". It's fine that you interpret it that way (and the fact that you can come to that conclusion only shows how much the writers screwed the pooch) but that certainly wasn't the point attempting to be made. And it's lame that the show failed to make their point better.

As for Eric dying to save Bills life, my only point there was that I felt that it would have made for a more effective and emotional ending to the story than what we got. I'm not implying that it's the ending I wanted, it's just an example of one of the many directions they could have gone to make the finale at least somewhat more successful in its goals. Not to mention that it would be much more heroic of a death than Bills was. However, this latter bit is only my personal opinion.

Thanks for the (somewhat petulant) response! 

S.C.W.
www.TheGutterMonkey.com

[–] winterlea-666 8 years ago

And what is it that they call you? Condescending a/hole?

Please refrain from 'splaining at me about my motivations.

'Sensitive' is also a preferable description to that of 'rape culture apologist'.

'Sensitivity' to the attempted normalization of the sexual abuse and manipulation of a woman and the conflation of this with 'love' is the least reaction one would expect of anyone possessed of basic decency. Or respect for women.

What does it say of you that you express no 'sensitivity' at all?

Moyer's marriage to Paquin is the reason Compton remained in a position of prominence on True Blood, long after Compton should have been staked and become no more than a bad memory.

The integrity of the show and any consistency of characterization and storytelling were all sacrificed in blatant pandering to the Compton character.

Show runner Buckner even admitted publicly that he had no idea how to conclude the show so took the path of least resistance by using the Moyer/Paquin marriage to 'reunite' Sookie with her abuser since he was so conveniently played by her real life husband.

Buckner also had the gall to publicly state that in order for her to be 'reunited' with her abuser Sookie would "need to get over her 'resentments' about Compton".

Six seasons of abuse and manipulation blithely dismissed as nothing more than 'resentment'.

Hypocrisy, misogyny and rape culture in action.

Buckner's attempt to retcon the Compton character into some kind of hero failed dismally because the audience had actually paid attention for the previous six seasons.

The audience had already seen six seasons of Compton lies exposed by subsequent Compton actions and were not buying the 'hero' act.

The intention of Bills death at the end of the series was obviously meant to be complimentary to the character, not to show him die like a "manipulative coward".

Really?! You don't say! I am shocked I tell you! Shocked! 

Of course it was meant to be complimentary. But it failed and he did indeed die as a manipulative coward.

Buckner deluded himself that he was giving Compton a 'heroic' death but the audience saw the exact opposite.

Collective dismay was expressed by many as to why Compton did not just meet the sun or stake himself if he was so determined to die.

Dismay at why he once again manipulated the woman he claimed to 'love', this time into staking his worthless hide.

The critics were also fairly unanimous in their derision over the finale and with just cause.

Unpalatable truths are no less true.

[–] TheGutterMonkey 8 years ago

And what is it that they call you? Condescending a/hole?

Please refrain from 'splaining at me about my motivations.

Yeesh. I can't say that that's what I'm known for, no, but regardless if that's the case now, it doesn't change the fact that you did respond to this thread with an overly-emotional, fangirl-esque air. Which is fine. Although, it's hard to resist pointing it out and ridiculing the silliness of it. I'm only human, after all. Sorry if it hurt your feelings. 😊

And I'm not quite certain what you mean about me "'splaining" your motivations lol. I can't say that I'm aware of your motivations for anything. Is it the #TeamEric thing that I said that's gotcha all worked up? It's okay, ya know — I thought Eric was pretty cool too. So simmer down.

'Sensitive' is also a preferable description to that of 'rape culture apologist'.

Er... what?

Sensitivity' to the attempted normalization of the sexual abuse and manipulation of a woman and the conflation of this with 'love' is the least reaction one would expect of anyone possessed of basic decency. Or respect for women.

What does it say of you that you express no 'sensitivity' at all?

This is a silly TV series, not a national news story. The “rape” you’re talking about is in reference to a vampire who fed a fairy his magic blood after lying to her; then had sex with her a week (or something) later. It’s pretty goofy stuff. Think about what it is you’re getting so passionate about here. You sound like a fanatical looney toon with how seriously you’re taking things.

Also, characters on the show are murdering people left and right. This includes Bill. How is this maybe-rape-by-technicality thing more of a mark against the character than all of the people he’s killed? And why don’t the murders committed by other characters evoke such similar hatred? Isn’t murder worse than rape? Or something that's something-like-rape, at least (Even the “roofied” girl in question doesn’t even seem to give a damn about it happening, or even think of it as being rape). These are all rhetorical questions, by the way. You don't have to respond. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous this conversation is.

With all that being said, I’m not even sure why you’re talking about this to me. I already agreed that I wished they’d not messed up the Compton character. Are you upset that I didn't diss him enough? All I was saying was that the show was about him and Sookie and that I wish the writers had handled both of those characters, their relationship, and their ending differently. How you’ve managed to turn this into a discussion about rape culture is beyond me.

Moyer's marriage to Paquin is the reason Compton remained in a position of prominence on True Blood, long after Compton should have been staked and become no more than a bad memory.

The integrity of the show and any consistency of characterization and storytelling were all sacrificed in blatant pandering to the Compton character.

Show runner Buckner even admitted publicly that he had no idea how to conclude the show so took the path of least resistance by using the Moyer/Paquin marriage to 'reunite' Sookie with her abuser since he was so conveniently played by her real life husband.

Uhm. Thanks for the trivia, I guess?

Buckner also had the gall to publicly state that in order for her to be 'reunited' with her abuser Sookie would "need to get over her 'resentments' about Compton".

Six seasons of abuse and manipulation blithely dismissed as nothing more than 'resentment'.

Once again, I'm not sure why you're posting this here. I didn't like how they handled Bill's character either. Are you just here trying to find someone to argue with about how bad the Bill Compton character is? Is it really that upsetting that I showed a glimmer of hope that they could have improved the character in the end?

Hypocrisy, misogyny and rape culture in action.



Buckner's attempt to retcon the Compton character into some kind of hero failed dismally because the audience had actually paid attention for the previous six seasons.

The audience had already seen six seasons of Compton lies exposed by subsequent Compton actions and were not buying the 'hero' act.

While I think it's possible for them to have made Bill more of a sympathetic character (if they'd started sooner), I've already said that the ending failed to deliver on what they were shooting for.

Of course it was meant to be complimentary. But it failed and he did indeed die as a manipulative coward.

Buckner deluded himself that he was giving Compton a 'heroic' death but the audience saw the exact opposite.

Collective dismay was expressed by many as to why Compton did not just meet the sun or stake himself if he was so determined to die.

Dismay at why he once again manipulated the woman he claimed to 'love', this time into staking his worthless hide.

The critics were also fairly unanimous in their derision over the finale and with just cause.

Again, you're posting things that I've already shown that I agree with. What is it that you're here for? Just to insult my opinions and vent about your hatred over a TV character? Shew. You're exhausting. lol

But anywhosers! I'm sorry that you felt insulted by me and that you can't find someone with more dissenting opinions to debate with. Nevertheless: thanks for commenting! (... I guess)

S.C.W.
www.TheGutterMonkey.com

[–] caroline1789 8 years ago

Gutter monkey - I have to express my appreciation for your articulate and for the most part,,accurate analysis of the mess they made of TB in the last Season. It was refreshing to read someone who is not an obsessed Eric - groupie and irrationally detests the character of Bill Compton - and not only in the last Season. These people have even characterized Compton as the most evil, mendacious, conniving person on the show - which is patently absurd, his breakdown in Season 5 notwithstanding.

You made a very good point - the first time anyone has brought it up - that at no time did Sookie show any great desire for children. If anyone is parental - it is Bill. I was touched by his father-daughter relationship with Jessica. Yet in the 7th Season, he seems to be projecting his need for children onto a decidedly non-maternal Sookie. The writers went soppy with even Jason saying "A man ain't nothin without a family" and showing up at the nauseating all day/ night Thanksgiving with at least 3 kids.
TB was at its core a romance between a guilt-ridden,maladjusted, sensitive vampire and a tougher, messed-up but initially innocent girl isolated by hearing people's thoughts. When Bill proposes at the French restaurant at the end of Season 2, he has no qualms about a life with Sookie. I think your idea of Sookie finally "marrying" Bill and accepting the inevitable "turning" with the added advantage of daytime for both, should have been the ending in a Season 8. I did not know that Skarsgard killed the series by leaving and the Eric-crazed fans being unwilling to watch without him.
I don't see Sookie with Sam, Eric - or Alcide., although I agree that any of these would have been preferable to what we got.
I have made this point over and over again but no one has yet responded to it.
It involves Bill's suicidal depression and refusal to take the cure. Even the well-adjusted life-loving Vamp Eric, whose wry sense of humor and mixture of decency and cruelty were essential to the show, says that even in Stage 1 of the disease he had lost his desire to live.
Bill has a bizarre accelerated form which brings on the suicidal mania. Did it occur to anyone to simply get a hypodermic, fill it up with Newlin's blood, and stick him while he's sleeping? No! Jessica and Sookie would have had ample opportunity to do this.
Another idiocy: Sookie takes a knife and slashes her arm hoping her blood will attract the Hep - V vamps into the ambush she and Bill have set up. A day later she feeds Bill. She has had no vampire blood to heal what must have been a nasty cut.
Yet neither she nor Bill notice it.

Many people, myself included, were angry at Bill for the sadism of the macabre assisted suicide he imposes on Sookie. I a real world, this would have traumatized her for years. But then I began to realize, from Eric's remark, that Bill's form of the disease had made him suicidally depressed and not completely compis mentis. He tries to justify his act as saving Sookie from a life without the normal things that he thinks she needs - he has a fever dream where he and Sookie give birth to a void, to death. And her behavior from forgetting about the big,gash on her arm, to not thinking of a hypodermic to going along with the hideous cemetery thing--- it just occurred to me-- she might have prevailed upon Eric to force Bill to drink Newlin's blood I.e., put some in a glass and pour it down Bill's throat. The strength of a 1000 yr old now healthy Eric and a frail, weak 178 yr old Bill _it could have been done.
The final absurdity is the idea of Eric and Pam stealing the multi-billion $ product of this powerful Japanese corporation which has Gov. cooperation and the Yakuza. -- killing the owner's son, and being allowed to get away with it! Just too much.
Although a welcome relief from the rest of the awful plot. Your comments much appreciated.

[–] Zlocey 8 years ago

OK, so the fact that you think that Eric was somehow worse than Bill says a lot. Eric was always honest about what he was, Bill was secretive. Eric did not have to redeem himself, Bill did since he was the one who deceived Sookie.

And the thing about how Eric looked? It has been a while but wasn't he getting ready to film Tarzan then? I recall that they had to change the filming schedule to accommodate him. So, yeah, he might have been a bit bulked up but that was because of the movie. He had already moved on and I don't think he was the only actor from the show to have done the same.

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[–] darkmaiden43 8 years ago

They (Bill and Eric) were equally reprehensible and Sookie was a whorish, dumb, attention-seeking idiot. No one on that show deserved a "happy" ending, except maybe Tara or Lafayette, or Terry or Sam. The main "three" were selfish a-holes and trying to determine who was "worse" than the other is a worthless and moot point. They were all depraved. Even stupidity on Sookie's part doesn't give her a pass. I know you think Eric was "hot" and "owned up to being who he was" (sic, he was a soulless evil troll like the rest)doesn't make him somehow better than anyone else, least of all Bill who was a stupid sap in love with an idiot who let power go to his head one too many times. The Bill-Sookie-Eric "triangle" was storytelling at its worst and laziest and for me the least favorite part of the show. I enjoyed the Terry side-stories repleat with the Sand/Smoke Monster more than I ever did that silly triangle.

[–] caroline1789 8 years ago

Darkmaiden43: I agree with your assessment of Sookie. I admit that I liked her in the First Season as I liked Bill. But after this, her stupidity began to annoy the hell out of me. I think you have a problem with Vampires and shouldn't have even been watching TB.
The core Bill Compton was a fairly decent guy - all things considered. Eric is probably more typical but I think he was an interesting character with a complex mixture of good and evil. OK - more evil than good, but he was raised a Viking and retained some of their characteristics. From the late 700s to maybe 1,000 AD, Christian Europe said "God save us from the fury of the Norsemen"! I really think that Vamps act pretty much as they did when they were regular human beings. Take LaFayette's partner James. You couldn't find a sweeter, more non-violent guy. Jessica - once she gets the bloodlust under control - is a very nice girl. She is so guilty over what she did to the 3 faerie girls that she starves herself for months and protects Adelyn with no compensation.

Some of the humans are complete A-----s. Mrs Fortenberry, that orthodontist Vince, the Minkins, pretty much all the Rednecks, former Sheriff Bud ( forget his last name ) and Sweetie, the obese bitch and Grand Dragon of a new kind of KKK. Hoyt is a good guy although he is obnoxious when he turns on Jessica just for the "crime" of falling out of love. What did he expect? He meets her when she is a teenager, a 17 year-old home schooled girl who is still adjusting to becoming a vampire. He is already 28 and so tied to his mother's apron strings that he never even tried to go to college and make something of himself. Yet he demonizes Jessica, still only 18, for getting tired of the relationship. He is a good guy but stupid and lame.

Pam is a bitch but a sort of honest, even at times likable one. Her love for Eric is pure and deep since she is definitely gay. Keith is a very likable vampire, too. I just can't buy his passion for Arlene! It's ridiculous like so many things on TB.

Sookie gets so annoying ( and slutty ) by Season 6 that she became unbearable. The scene where she is walking through a hep-V infested forest and throws her cell phone away is beyond belief. Maybe she believes that somehow nothing can harm her. Her "relationship" with the unattractive SOB Warlow is revolting. She goes from being a straggly haired "danger who're" to a hick town church lady on Alcide's arm ( do you remember that HAT? ). And somehow she can't see the gash in her arm only one day after she slashed herself with a knife which couldn't have healed as she has had no vampire blood. Bad writing --- and a very obnoxious character as the Seasons went on.

I love Tara, LaFayette, Terry and like Sam. I wrote several paragraphs castigating the writers for not developing Tara's character more.
She becomes a person whose only function us to save Sookie. As one of the few peopke in this town who actually reads serious books,
and clearly one of the smartest, she should have gone to law school. Brains and a fighting spirit -- she would become a famous advocate for people, especially women, who have been abused. Instead, they turn her into someone who helps others ( Sookie and her mother ) but gives up her own life to do it. Why did they have to kill off Terry? To provide more tears and soppy sentimentality? It pissed me off.

Bill's passion for Sookie is based on her delicious blood but goes deeper. She is one of the few humans who really likes vampires, seems to enjoy being in trouble, and for awhile, is a very cute young thing with a down-home sense of humor. But if they had actually lived together without all the drama I can't see where they'd have much in common. She, unlike her friend Tara, has absolutely no desire to learn anything; she doesn't read, has absolutely no interest in what's going on in the world or in history. Bill, on the other hand, has a bright, curious mind and us very well-read. Plays the piano, too. He idealizes her as his redemption. I think had they lived together ( she would have had to be turned ) he would have become very bored.

I don't much like Holly. She is a terrible mother---spoiling her semi-retarded son Wade. She can't understand why Andy would be angry to find him in bed with his daughter who may look 17 but who is really only a few months old.

Arlene spends most of the series as a trailor-trash bigot who suddenly becomes this open-minded, warm-hearted woman who has a long-term relationship going with a hot 500 year-old Vampire who looks 28 - way younger than her. Terry's insurance money may have had something to do with this transformation.

So I agree with you to a point, but you seem to think that all Vampires are alike --evil. Tara and Willa are as unlike Violet as Gandhi was from Hitler. With your attitude, you shouldn't be watching Vampire films or series. TB was the only one I've seen for adults and the cleverest until Bruckner turned it into a B soap opera.

[–] skyflyerjen-53-760737 8 years ago

Just watched the finale again last night and I could not agree more.
The lesson I learned from the finale? Life is meaningless unless you get yourself some babies. Bill essentially told Sookie he as dying so she could have kids. You're so right about that... we watched Sookie for 7 seasons, and I never recall her talking about how badly she wanted to have kids. The ending was so cliche (pregnant and with... just some dude) on a show that wanted us to throw cliches out the window.