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What Emily did was worse than Summer.


Emily cheated on him with his roomie while Summer only did her job.

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Summer literally screwed their relationship, his job, his friend, and his life.

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Summer figuratively screwed their relationship, his job, his friend, and his life.


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Summer:
Told the truth.
Did her job.
Informed the voters about important facts about a candidate's past actions.
Did the right thing.
Didn't lie to protect a dishonest politician, just because her boyfriend was enamored of him.
Refused to sacrifice her integrity and professionalism just because her boyfriend told her to.

Only an idiot would think she did anything wrong.

His reaction to it (breaking up with her) showed that he didn't really care about her.

My impression was that the "mistake" his friend told him he made was "shooting the messenger" by dumping Summer over the article.

Meanwhile, Emily broke up with him after she cheated on him with his friend/roommate when he was out of town for less than two months.

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''Only an idiot would think she did anything wrong. ''

Only an idiot would assume every person has the same morals/thinks the same way. Of course she told the truth, and as she mentioned..someone else would have probably said what she did so why not right? Why not take the money and try to rise in the industry if someone else would have done it anyways?

Only difference is, when you're in a relationship and you love someone and consider being with that person forever, some would sacrifice that one article piece that might not have meant anything at all for her carreer/her for the sake of your lovers...LIFE really lol. She ruined his Friendships, Career, Relationships etc, and thus put him in depression/confusion for a long time (Which she knew btw so it makes it worse, since he told her that he'd loose everything and she didn't even hesitate) .

Its a very basic way to think that she did not do anything wrong. If she did or not, that could be opinion (Don't get me wrong, im not saying you're wrong or right, but I don't think she was completely right either) but if you really like someone it could be like someone took a nuke and slowly roasted every piece of your soul..BUT WAIT..In slowmotion, so the suffering is worse since he'll probably say things like ''But she didn't do anything wrong....yes she did...no she didnt...yes she ff-/slow torture'' :D!

(Note I have never been in one before, just assuming/looking at other peoples experiences lol)

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Don't forget that if Summer did not write the expose, then her career as a journalist may have been ruined because it would come out that she was friends with a guy on the campaign staff, so the assumption would be that she wrote a puff piece on his candidate for him and suppressed the truth. This, she needed to write the article.

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Emily did what she did because she was scared and she came clean with it. She obviously cared for him.

That is not to say what Emily did was not absolutely detestable.

However, Summer actually ruined his life. She ruined his job. She cost him his friends. She played chose her career over him, which may not be that big of a deal, except that it cost him EVERYTHING. Every single thing he ever treasured.

Because of Emily's mistake, his relationship status changed. Maybe even his personality, a bit.

Because of Summer's betrayal, his entire life changed. Every single aspect.

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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
--Oscar Wilde

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He was asking her to put his career above hers. It was her job, and she couldn't possibly have anticipated what would have happened, she knew it would be trouble for him, but not necessarily how much.

When you cheat on someone with their (presumably, as they were roommates) very good friend, I don't see how she merely got a bemused "I can't believe that she rehearsed with Charlie" from the daughter, and Summer received a gasping "Bitch!"

If the audience didn't know that the father had kissed two girls in the same time-span (one of which the night before) I'm sure everyone would have hated Emily way more. His actions don't excuse hers (and nor do her actions excuse his).

The movie basically told the audience how to feel on this one. They had to preserve some shred of likability for Emily because she was the mother, so the father's reaction was like "Shame that didn't work out" and he was outraged beyond redemption with Summer.

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I really shouldn't have to put a spoiler warning this deep into a thread discussing things that happen in the film. If this *spoils* any surprises in the film for you, it is your own fault.

Emily betrayed him, while he betrayed Summer. Of course he should choose Emily - who can then prove him wrong him by divorcing him.

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Summer didn't betray him, and she would have betrayed herself to have pandered to his demands.

It was wrong of him to give her an ultimatum. It was right of her to choose herself.


"Now, bring me that horizon."

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If Summer was a man she'd almost come out as being heroic, but maybe because she's a woman it's hard to believe her career is that important to her.

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But Summer was just reporting the facts. If she didn't write it, someone else in her office was going to write it anyway--the nature of working in a news organization.

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Summer "ruined his life"? With her "betrayal"? First, that's more than a slight exaggeration. And second, it's not an accurate description of what she did.

Did her choice result in the demise of his career in the campaign arena? Yes. Does that necessarily mean it was a betrayal? No. They were both in a very difficult position and while it's understandable that he would ask her to pull the piece, it was also unfair of him to ask her to compromise her own career ethics to save his. Neither of them saw this dilemma coming so neither could have prepared for it or in the end done anything very differently. Except that he could have chosen to at least try to find a way to work past the disappointment and difficulties to keep his relationship with her. Apparently he either didn't love her enough to do so or it was simply beyond their ability to get past it.

Did her choice "ruin his life"? Clearly not. He went on to do other things and found success in other areas, as well as finding love again, not once but twice, and having a wonderful daughter that he loved. Last I checked the movie even had a happy ending so those are some of the reasons I think "ruined his life" is overstating things a bit. Did the career setback harm him? Sure, as such things do to anyone who experiences them. But it certainly didn't "cost him everything." He lost some friends. He learned to make new ones. He lost his career. He developed a new one. When you say that because of her betrayal, "his entire life changed. Every single aspect," you make it sound like his life turned out horribly and so that forced change was necessarily a bad one. But as noted above, in the end it wasn't. Those are the experiences that make us grow as people. That help us learn things about ourselves. She didn't ruin his life. She just impacted its trajectory.

And finally, in terms of the OP, there is a noted difference between what Emily did and what Summer did regardless of the significance of the impact their actions. And that is this: Emily did in fact betray him because they were in an exclusive relationship and she cheated on him - with his own former roommate and friend no less. Summer did not betray him (though she certainly hurt him and her actions caused him great difficulties) because she did what she felt she had to do based on the choices available, none of which were going to be good. The nature of betrayal there is in the intent. Summer felt she had no choice but to do what she did. Emily just gave in to a moment of weakness and poor judgment and chose to sleep with someone else.

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It's been so long since I've seen this movie that I don't even remember it. But I'll try.

Your career is a huge part of your life. She also cost him friends, according to my last post. Two huge areas of his life - I'd say that's pretty close to ruining his life.

Also, if you KNOW you're hurting someone, YES, it's betrayal. Maybe she had the best of intentions, but no matter what, she did betray him. Exposing a government secret can be for the best of the population, but you are still betraying the government. I don't remember what the piece was, so that's all I'm going to say.

Why would he try to "work past disappointment" with a woman who chose her career over him? And why would she want to be with a guy choosing his career over her? They simply weren't meant to be. Not his fault. She did the initial betrayal, however, so she does have partial blame.

Just because he picked up the pieces it doesn't mean she didn't ruin his life.

Please give me proof that "Summer felt she had no choice." Because I don't remember anyone holding a gun to her head. There is always a choice. For better or worse, she simply did not choose him. Summer indeed betrayed him. It is an indisputable fact. Maybe it was the best option. Maybe she helped out a billion other people. Maybe it would have devastated her life had she not written the piece. Nevertheless, she betrayed him.

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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
--Oscar Wilde

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Maybe she had the best of intentions, but no matter what, she did betray him.


No she didn't: She had no professional obligations to him. He betrayed her by not supporting her right decision to publish the story. It would have been different if she had somehow used her relationship with him to dig up some dirt on the politican but that didn't happen.

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The person who betrayed him was the lying sack of crap candidate that he was working for. The candidate was dishonest and sleazy, yet he was willing to overlook that - and chose to blame Summer for what the candidate did. There is no way he actually loved, or respected, her.

Later, he grows up a tiny but when he gets angry and disillusioned when he finally realizes that his hero Clinton has been lying, and all the stories that he had been trying to ignore fromt hhe start were true.

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Will kissed April -- what? -- an hour before meeting up with Sarah (Emily) again. So, this is supposed to put you on Will's side when Sarah reveals her own infidelity because she slept with his roommate, whereas he only kissed April.

However, Emily still chose to sleep with Charlie. It wasn't just that Charlie took advantage. Yes, it was horrible, but I do agree with most users on this thread because of a few reasons.

First off, Summer was clearly always in love with Hampton more than anyone. It's clear as day that in the first meeting, Summer only had an attraction and lust for Will. When Hampton says, "please tell me you're not in love with him" and she says she can't, that doesn't mean she's in love. Will was obviously more invested in the relationship since he got the ring and she tore apart his career.

That brings me to my second reason. Will's career went down the tube. She exposed his boss for a person who gives preferential treatment to friends but still publicly stands strict on criminals. There was no way for him to come back from that career wise. Thanks to her, his whole outlook on politics changed. Watch Will at the beginning even when he's just a toilet paper guy -- he's fun, he believes in politics -- but when he is betrayed by Summer...he's not having fun and he is negative about politicians.

Thanks to ruining his career, Will's buddy stopped talking to him and his friends broke contact, and by then April had gone away and stopped talking to him too.

Summer's betrayal was the cause for a long-term unemployed, negative, uncaring, depressed Will. Emily came clean, and broke it off because she didn't want to drag him down even more.

Plus, for the person saying it was awful of Will to give Summer the ultimatum and put himself first...that wasn't the case. He broke it off with Summer because he knew once it got out, his friends wouldn't want to be around him if he was with her (but even that didn't help) and he would just come to despise her for ruining his career (and life). Summer had no idea of the rift it was going to cause -- "I think it will be a big thing for a week and then blow over."

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Thanks to ruining his career, Will's buddy stopped talking to him and his friends broke contact, and by then April had gone away and stopped talking to him too.

Summer's betrayal was the cause for a long-term unemployed, negative, uncaring, depressed Will. Emily came clean, and broke it off because she didn't want to drag him down even more.


Firstly, I'd like to point out that the film never explicitly states that Will lost contact with his friends because of what Summer did, sometimes people just lose contact with each other because their lives go in different directions. Gareth and Russell both went to Washington to work in politics along with their wives. It's not like Will couldn't have moved to Washington if he really wanted to explore politics more. What happened with Will really was so insignificant that most people would have forgotten it eventually. Especially before the "digital age"

Secondly, he wasn't "long term unemployed" he got a job at an advertising agency and his friends eventually made up with him. His *beep* was a mess" because he made it a mess, became nihilistic, started drinking more, didn't care about his grooming or lifestyle habits. Was it because of Summer? I sincerely doubt it, Will's positive idealism only led in one direction, total disillusionment and self destructive nihilism. Also, if his friends were real friends in the first place, they never would have blamed him for what happened and would have eventually forgave him.

As for the rest of your post, well that's all your own interpretation. I never got the vibe that Summer didn't love Will, in fact she stated that "he was the one" and she "screwed it up." Realistically she didn't screw it up, things beyond their control happened. Remember that the two of them decided to collaborate together concerning the campaign, Will basically asked Summer to write articles for him. It's just a sign that one should never mix business and pleasure, especially when it comes to politics and journalism. The idea of blaming anyone for the situation seems silly, it was a chain of events and a coincidence that drove them apart. That happens too in relationships, I think we forget that with our western ideals of trying to control every aspect of our lives.

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If he truly loved her, he could have lost everything and would still be happy that he had her. Meanwhile he married someone who cheated on him and broke up with him, betraying their entire relationship. Anyone who thinks what Summer did was worse than Emily has their values screwed up.

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Boy you people sure have some screwed up values….what I find interesting about Summer's character is that she actually saves Will in many ways from becoming the moral decrepit politicians he works for. If Will can excuse something as crooked as what his politician did, what's next? Where was there left to go? Will became disillusioned after that moment, sure, but in many ways he became wiser and more enlightened. He realized that even his idol Bill Clinton was only human, and possibly not a very great one at that. This is the price one pays to be in politics. It is the job of the reporter, no matter what the circumstances are, to tell us the objective truth. That's what Summer did, maybe it hurt a few people in the short run, but it could have hurt way more people in the long run if she hadn't told the truth. Who knows how many other people this guy screwed over and would continue to do so in the future. They don't even say exactly what "his buddy" did to get in jail, but it could have been something terrible for all we know. (We always hear stories about convicted rapists, pedophiles, or murders getting plea deals or "getting off easy" and react in disgust, don't we?)

Finally, I think Emily and Summer were meant to be seen as equally devastating and yet awakening for Will. Will gets his heart broken twice by both Emily and Summer, however can anyone really say that what happened in each scenario was better or worse?

What Emily did was….understandable. Anyone who has ever been in a long distance relationship can understand the absolute pain, loneliness, and heartbreak that goes into trying to make it work. Especially when both parties are changed due to the long distance. Will changed…sure, but so did Emily. The two were no longer compatible, Emily did something stupid in the heat of the moment, owned up to it, and let Will go. I think that's bold of Emily to admit that she cheated on Will, I know it's horrible to do that but she's only human. (well…she's a character, but cheating is realistic in any relationship, let alone long distance).

The point is that people make mistakes….but that doesn't make them bad people.

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Emily cheated on him.

Summer was placed close to Will again by Hampton, in order to dig something up on Robredo. The fact that Summer did have some feelings for Will stopped her from doing what she had set out to do the first time around.

After she was confronted by Hampton (with whom she may or may not have broken off things, as they were still kissing and calling each other dear - even though he had affairs with Sophmores and Freshmen, and her being the person he calls to his bedside when he's in the hospital), did she do what she had set out to do: put a halt to Robredo's Political Campaign.

Hampton (and Summer) didn't care about the truth, they only cared about pushing their own political agenda.

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I think cheating on a boyfriend and confessing is mild in the scheme of betrayals. If they were married, then it would be a big deal. However, Summer knew she was about to destroy his career and didn't mention it to him at all. She knew what she did was wrong, and even admitted that she messed up their relationship. I wonder it it was getting too heavy for her, and she intentionally sabotaged her relationship by doing what she did.

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I think cheating on a boyfriend and confessing is mild in the scheme of betrayals.


If you're in a committed relationship, it's not mild at all.


"You have bewitched me, body and soul, and I love, I love, I love you." Mr Darcy

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