Undoing the Reboot?


With recent news reports of Arnold planning to reprise the ole Conan in a new film, could this be the case of studios deciding to undo particular reboots?

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It's a case of studios wanting money from nostalgia vanity projects.

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Studios like to make money on familiar products, and did the reboot earn enough at the box office anyway?

The upcoming TEXAS CHAINSAW 3D will be a direct sequel to the original film, and ignore both the remake its prequel.

I hope more sequels will be made. I wouldn't mind another sequel to HALLOWEEN, but honestly not to Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN remake.


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I like to think it's Arnie realising he should have done this third film a long time ago and making good before someone does another crappy Conan film. A bit like Ridley Scott doing Prometheus to stop all this AvP crossover crap... except I'm hoping Arnie's film will actually be as good as his earlier work (sorry Ridley)!!



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"Before someone does another crappy Conan film"?
There are nothing but crappy Conan films.
Not a single good one exists.


Tesla was robbed!

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Depends how you define 'good'... I think Arnie's are somewhat cheesy in places, hilarious to watch with your mates and a few beers, but with moments that also shine (some of Sandahl Bergman's lines, as well as James Earl Jones especially).
Certain aspects are just the film being a product of it's time, though I look past those.

But like I said on another thread, I think Conan films and Conan books are just like the James Bond books and films - Each is a separate entity almost nothing alike. You have to look at each one separately and enjoy it for it's own merits.

I hated the 2011 Conan not for anything to do with the Conan mythos itself, but mainly because it's just a crap film.



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One GOOD film exists.
It's a GREAT stand-alone film, and a mediocre adaptation, which puts it over all at GOOD.

Conan '82 is wonderful.
Destroyer is a middling piece of crap.
And the reboot of the franchise is a steaming pile the likes of which I've not seen in a long long time.

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Yes, one good sword and sorcery movie exists, in "Conan the barbarian" (1982) - I just wish that movie had been called "Kalidor the Freed Slave" instead, which is what it was. That way, it wouldn't be a constant thorn in the side to the Conan fan in me, as I could have enjoyed it for what it is instead of being annoyed at what it isn't.

Due to the drastic and immense departure from the source material, I do not recognize it as a Conan movie. Hence, no good Conan movie exists.

Tesla was robbed!

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Well, I know your feelings on the subject. And you know mine.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue.

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Who would be better known at the time, Conan or Kalidor?
Which name would have drawn in more viewers?
Movies rarely care about fantasy nerds and the few fans of some comparatively little-known books, compared to the myriad of cinema-goers who are there to see a name star kick butt or a female name star dressed in skimpy outfits. There was generally more money in capturing the latter lot and it's only quite recently that Sci-Fi and Fantasy things like LotR and Star Wars have been properly viable genres for the non-geek mainstream.



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I'd think the works of Roy Thomas would be far greater thorn on any Conan fans side than Arnolds CtB.

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Who would be better known at the time, Conan or Kalidor?
Which name would have drawn in more viewers?
Movies rarely care about fantasy nerds and the few fans of some comparatively little-known books, compared to the myriad of cinema-goers who are there to see a name star kick butt or a female name star dressed in skimpy outfits.


So on the one hand, you seem to think Conan was a bigger name who could draw in more viewers. On the other hand, you talk about "fantasy nerds and the few fans of some comparatively little-known books..." so how could Conan be a big name if the books were little known?

That said, ignoring the Howard fans is one thing: claiming that you're actually being totally super faithful to Howard's work is another. If Milius et al said this was a bold reimagining, reinvention or reboot of Conan, that'd be something fans complain about, but at least they're honest. But they actively courted the fans, because - again - Conan was a big name at the time, and very successful in the Marvel comics and books. That's the issue: not the fact that they're not faithful, but that they claim that they are.

I'd think the works of Roy Thomas would be far greater thorn on any Conan fans side than Arnolds CtB.


Thomas? The man who wrote almost word-for-word adaptations of many Howard stories in an award-winning bestselling comic? A greater thorn than a movie which rewrites the very mentality, personality and history of the character?

Thomas wasn't perfect, and he made some bad decisions, but there's no way he's any sort of thorn in the fans' side.

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So on the one hand, you seem to think Conan was a bigger name who could draw in more viewers.

I *asked* if he was, compared to Kalidor, yes... I'm not comparing him to comparatively better known tales of, say, The Green Hornet and The Shadow (both of which had 30s/40s TV shows, apparently), Superman, Tarzan, Tom Sawyer etc

On the other hand, you talk about "fantasy nerds and the few fans of some comparatively little-known books..."

That was a separate matter where the audience is likely to be those who *may* have heard of a book, but would much rather the lesser effort of watching the movie. My wife is one - She'll not care to read the book when she "can just watch the film". I find it quite annoying, both that she thinks this way and that, hypocritically, I rarely get the time myself to read the books any more.

But given how many such nerds bitched about LotR and all it's glaring inaccuracies, how totally nothing like the books it was, yadda yadda... That's why adapting books is discouraging in the face of such overly-harsh critics. Yet, look how much it was talked about pre-release...

That said, ignoring the Howard fans is one thing: claiming that you're actually being totally super faithful to Howard's work is another.

The latter is just marketing, simple as. I won't even go into studio involvement in this one (thank-you 1980s 3D).
But everything always has to be the latest, greatest 'whatever' in it's field... I hate it when a film is self-decribed on it's posters as a combination of Film A with Film B, or it's Film XYZ with boobs/guns/attitude/horror/whatever-will-sell-this-film. I tend not to watch them anyway, though.
But no matter what you say, even if you say "very loosely based on", it will still be compared, rated and reviewed as if it were supposed to be a carbon copy made real. Might as well market it as such and get as much money as possible before it becomes common knowledge.

I don't know of a single book adaptation that has lived up to expectations of anyone who read the book (even if they hated said book).

But they actively courted the fans, because - again - Conan was a big name at the time, and very successful in the Marvel comics and books. That's the issue: not the fact that they're not faithful, but that they claim that they are.

If fans of the book eagerly anticipate the film, other people will take notice. He's read the book, so he must know, right? Those casual viewers are the mainstream audience and easier to impress if they haven't read the book as they have no comparison. Then, when the book-lovers start bitching, they are ignored or decried as elitist snobs... It had guns, fast cars, naked women (or whatever the main draws were (you telling me all those blokes went to see Basic Instinct for the thriller plot? :) )), ergo it's a good film as far as they're concerned.


I'm on your side, apart from the fact that I enjoyed both Conan films for certain reasons. But I just separate the films from the books into two completely independent entities and take each on it's own merits. I rarely read any critics' reviews because they are not me and have very different opinions.
Heck, my own favourite film was an utter train wreck, but I see what it was trying to achieve rather than getting hung up on the few mistakes that caused it's downfall.


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I'd think the works of Roy Thomas would be far greater thorn on any Conan fans side than Arnolds CtB.
Are you kidding?!? Despite one or two minor missteps, Roy Thomas represents the absolute cream of the crop as far as Conan spin-offs is concerned.

I think you might be thinking of Bruce Jones and the slew of other subpar writers that followed Roy Thomas' excellent run (which was instrumental in getting the Conan movie made in the first place). It was when Thomas left the comic that quality really declined, and that decline quicly turned into a steep drop when Milius' movie about "Conan the mentally impaired freed slave" came out.

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Oh, I do mean Thomas. I don't think he's that good comic writer and he used Howard too much of a crutch. It's more apparent from his own writings, which are frankly horrible. He's always been at best mediocre in what he's done.

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