Morally repugnant


Nevermind the ridiculous set up.
Nevermind the absurd idea this is what Diana "imagined" in the last moments of her life and yet is so symbolically and sophisticatedly structured she would put the Zombies "She's not There" on her "final moments" soundtrack along with numerous other symbols.
Nevermind, as another poster here poignantly noted, the real experience of living through an actual school shooting. The morally reprehensible director Vadim Perelman doesn't give a damn about your sensitivities; he just wants to have fun dishonestly manipulating you.
No, what is utterly disgusting about this film is its ultimate theme: If you're a teenager and you get pregnant and have an abortion, you deserve to be murdered. And it's all said so sympathetically, so expertly and so tidily in Perlman's twisted vision it makes me recoil in horror.
If I ever see the name "Vadim Perelman" next to another film again, I will avoid it like the Plague.

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and if all that doesn't turn you off, the fact this movie sucks should...

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You're out of your mind.

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Moi?

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** many spoilers **

I don't think the message was that if you're a teen and you get an abortion you should be murdered... I do understand where you're coming from because I'm tired of seeing stuff like that too, but this film was so sensitive and in tune with each of the female characters that every twist the story takes is expressed with empathy.

What makes this film particularly poignant for me was that she offered herself up because she FELT she was less worthy to continue living and that she FELT life would hold fewer things for her than for Maureen. And even then, in her imagined future life, it IS beautiful and idyllic even though she did go through with the abortion.

It's similar to Million Dollar Baby in that people interpret the final scenes incorrectly. Clint Eastwood isn't suggesting it's right (or wrong) to assist with euthanasia. He doesn't care about that topic for the purposes of the film. He's just showing how Clint's character loves Hilary's character so much that he's willing to face Hell (in a true, Catholic sense) by doing what she asks of him.

Again, while I agree that there are far too many films that punish women with murder and torture simply for acting of their own free will, if we write off a movie like TLBHE, then we'll never see empathetic portrayals of *GASP* women who actually have conflicting feelings about their abortions or sexual decisions. Where will those women go to see themselves onscreen?

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A considered reponse deserves a considered reply.
I don't see or feel the empathy you describe but if you do feel it, who am I argue?
I can only repeat I felt manipulated. Diana's fate seems unearned and instead felt like a lesson espoused by some seemingly cool, heartfelt man-of-the-people-type preacher who, deep down, would rather hang your soul out over the fiery pit of Hell and drop it.
It's as if the director, too, felt Diana was less worthy.
I have no interest in learning that lesson.
I understand from some of the threads here that in the book Diana tells the killer to shoot Maureen.
All the more reason, morally then, to kill Diana. I just detest being given only those kind of options in a work of fiction.

You're take on Million Dollar Baby is fascinating, though. I liked that movie but didn't love it, and I never took away the idea Eastwood supported euthanasia. But the Catholic angle I didn't see, so thanks.
Million Dollar Baby displays a humanity I'm much more comfortable with than I am with this movie.
Speaking of "Catholic," did you ever see, "The End of the Affair," with Ralph Fiennes and Julianne Moore, based on the Graham Greene novel from the 1950s? It didn't get a lot of really great reviews but it took weeks for me to get it out of my system.

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I don't agree that it was a punishment for a teen's abortion at all.

I do think Diana made the right decision, for a reason I haven't seen anyone else express: she had the opportunity to prevent the school shooting and didn't, i.e. the shooter told her the day before that he was going to shoot up the school, and Diana made the fatal error of taking that as a "joke" and not reporting it. Anyone in this day and age should have known better. It makes perfect sense that Diana couldn't have lived with that guilt, though I don't know if this is what the authors had in mind..

I loved the film for the interesting story, the twist, the beautiful cinematography and all the performances, especially the incomparable Uma Thurman, and underappreciated Brett Cullen.

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Diana made the right decision? Because she didn't realize the shooter was serious?
Come on. Who would do that? If, say, someone you knew said the same thing to you, even today, and you didn't report it because you knew the guy and he never seemed like that before, and you are confronted by that guy would you think, yes, kill me because I was too stupid to realize you were serious?
Of course you wouldn't. Because you and just about everybody else on the planet, in a moment of crisis, does not want to die.
Those people trapped in the World Trade Center. One of them is a husband who remembers being mean to his wife that morning. He welcomes his impending death.
Not.

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>> Anyone in this day and age should have known better. <<

But the movie wasn't set in this day and age -- it was 15 years prior.

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>> Anyone in this day and age should have known better. <<

But the movie wasn't set in this day and age -- it was 15 years prior.
Actually it was set in the present day; the flash forwards were 15 years later, but those were just in Diana's imagination.

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How are you so certain that is the way it is (that Diana et al's school days are in the present even if Diana's adult life is all fantasy)?

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I got the impression that the school shooting took place in the past, and the flash forwards were present day (15 years later). There was a scene (in the bathroom i think?) where one of the girls has a discman in her backpack. I don't know anyone who uses a discman anymore, especially high school age, so I took that as a sign that it took place in the past.

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I still had a discman in 2005. Family finally pushed an iPod at me, even though I was vehemently against them. Diana and Maureen talked about living in the "bad" part of town, and Diana came home late at night and said, "Mom's still at work. As usual." (Or something to that effect.) I would just assume they didn't have the money to afford an MP3 player.

I assumed, as others have said, that both scenes occurred in present day. Diana couldn't have envisioned all of the technological advances of 15 years from then. If it was her imagination, her imagined life wouldn't contain any "from the future" elements, only her life in the world as she already knew it.

Call me Katie. ;-)

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Thanks for the suggestion, I'll put End of the Affair in my Netflix queue.

I did watch TLBHE again the next day because I wanted to catch more of the clues that were sprinkled through Diana's "later life" as to her real fate like the necklace, the cougar, the frozen yogurt, etc. And on a second viewing, I could see where you're coming from... in my eyes, it's really up for interpretation and I'd love to hear what the writers/director have to say about it.

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I really liked "End of the Affair" but some find it slow. Just to warn you.
For another: To see what the ravages of guilt, mostly deserved, can do to a person over a long period of time, I strongly recommend "Atonement", which no one says is slow. The movie is wonderful. The book upon which it is based is even better, in fact, it's one of the best I've ever read.

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I think you missed the point. It wasn't that she deserved to be murdered for any of those things. The point was that SHE thought she deserved it and how unfortunate that is. She felt her strongest muscle, her heart, was weak and she couldn't live with that (which they show in the flashforwards, as all that was perfect in her future life slowly crumbles around her), so she would die "redeeming herself" instead. It's interesting to note that, throughout the entire movie, they lead you to believe that Diana begged for her life "selfishly" and left Maureen to die. There they are playing on the audiances' bias against girls like Diana (and if you did watch the movie expecting that Diana begged for her life and let Maureen die, then isn't there a tiny part of you that was biased against her? I find it hard to believe that you didn't). And then Diana offers her life, showing us how prejudiced we really are and that not everyone is what we judge them to be, no matter who they are or what they've done, good or bad.

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green, actually I think we both get the point, we just interpret it differently.
I agree, Diana thought she deserved to die. And then the director went right ahead and let her die, even gloried in it with all those arty mirror shots and her body falling in slow motion from different angles with blood splatter and water gushing out all over. Very beyoodiful. Can you imagine how many takes that took? I have a thing about directors who use sadism to move a story along, especially when they employ it while hiding behind some sick spiritual "truth" they imagine they're spouting.
I'm not advocating movies as some sort of therapy session whereby a 17-year-old girl gets to work through her guilt to discover some inner strength, but I am extremely opposed to a person's guilt over something being enough to warrant a death sentence.
I still feel guilty about an incident that happened to me when I was 10 years old. I called a good friend a mamma's boy because some other, cooler - or so I thought - kids I wanted to like me had called him one. It ended the friendship forever and he was a good kid. I still feel bad about it but please don't kill me for it. Kids do mean things without always realizing what it says about their own insecurities.

And, no, I was never biased against Diana. One likely reason was because she was played by Evan Rachel Wood who oozes complexity even when her character is not written with much of it. Also, Diana grew up to be a complex adult - or so we are led to believe before the ending (Since all the adult scenes are merely Diana's fantasizing, it amused me she imagined herself growing up to look exactly like Uma Thurman.)
When, in one of last cuts to the washroom, Diana removed her hand from Maureen's it suprised me into thinking it seemed to mean she was going to tell the guy to kill Maureen.
That's because in real life, if a kid's going around with a gun killing people it's going to be at random and if you're not killed you're just lucky.
Which brings up another point about the falseness of this movie. Do you think Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold or that guy from Virginia Tech went around asking friends to choose which one wanted to die? That may have worked in "Sophie's Choice," which "Life Before Her Eyes" takes a lot from. But that was a much bigger work of fiction and one that was able to explore the psychology because the entire work took place after Sophie had made her choice.
It was profoundly annoying the killer in this movie knew enough about what the writer and director wanted to ask his victims to choose and so conveniently play right into the story line. That's cheesy writing.
Sorry about pontificating. I love moves, just not this one.

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Anti-abortion was the very last thing on my mind.

You got some kind of chip on your shoulder?

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I don't think she thought she deserved to die, but rather that she had this one chance to prove herself truly worthy of Maureen's friendship. Despite the mutual tendency for the two girls to push each other's buttons, Diana truly admired Maureen and thought of her as kind of a paragon of goodness while Maureen admired Diana for her daring nature and strong will. When Maureen proves her goodeness and the level of her friendship by offering to sacrifice herself to save her friend, Diana imagines her life as it might be if she lets Maureen sacrifice herself. Ultimately, though, she decides to prove herself as good a friend to Maureen as Maureen is to her. The fact that each was willing to sacrifice herself for the other demonstrates that it was a true equal friendship - each girl loved and cared equally for the other. I think that the real message of the film was about love to the point of sacrificing oneself for another. That was the significance of "the heart is the strongest muscle."

Sometimes an idea is so bad that it starts to be good again.

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i ameager to see the movie after such kind of post!
amen!

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jlent,
Completely obvious in every way (at least to anyone who studies or criticizes film or literature from a theoretical standpoint) that the film IS about abortion: as sin, as something one must either atone for, or ultimately be punished for. Dripping with obvious symbolism and set-pieces from child graves to pools of water to "judgment day", the director uses every trope and trick in the book to elucidate the themes in this story.

Excellent insights, jlent.

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I have an idea for the posters who are so infuriated about the anti-abortion "agenda" they think this movie has...Don't watch it! Save yourselves the outrage and anger you're feeling now. Tell all your pro-choice friends not to watch it. Bam...Problem solved.
I am adamantly pro-life (not the abortion clinic-bombing nutjob kind of pro-life), and even I didn't get the message from this movie that because you get an abortion, you deserve to die. I think if that's the only thing you take away from this movie, you're not looking deeply enough.

"Level head? I think mine's level, and yours is the one things would roll off of."

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A lot of people actually come to the boards and read about a movie before watching it. That would be one way to tell. Another way...word of mouth. A friend sees it and doesn't like the pro-life slant on it...It's not rocket science to find out what a movie is about before you see it.

"Level head? I think mine's level, and yours is the one things would roll off of."

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I'm the OP and I had no idea. I just like Uma and Evan and the the cover info on the DVD looked interesting.

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Why has no one pointed out that Diana telling him to shoot her probably had more to do with the fact that she didn't want him to shoot her friend? I mean, yeah, we're led to believe that she felt guilty about having an abortion when she sees the multitude of crosses that are meant to represent the unborn. However, the life she imagines for herself before she is shot indicates that she realizes she's making a sacrifice. She KNOWS she could have had a good life in spite of the fact that she had an abortion. You think that would refute all of the ridiculous 'This movie is hateful and anti-abortion' and 'The director thought she deserved to die' arguments. What I gathered was that even though Diana has made some unwise and/or selfish decisions, she's still a good person at heart and makes the ultimate sacrifice in order to save her best friend. God forbid the movie show that people might actually feel guilty after they kill their unborn baby.

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Hooray kmware13!

Good job at seeing the true message - we are not just the sum total of what we do. Humanity is infinitely more complex than that. One of the only simple things you can say is that selfishness is a default.

Great movie, and heroic for handling uniquely an edgy topic.

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