Tim Roth's character


gotta be the biggest sissy and a wuss in the history of cinema.He acted like they chopped both of his legs off.

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It was so frustrating. I don't think their passive reactions were anywhere near realistic. It's making me hate the guy just thinking about it.

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Well, I haven't broken any of my legs but I have injured my cruciate ligament in one knee and let me tell you, you're not running around on that leg for a while. I can't imagine having the knee broken like that, I don't think you're in any good state to fight two young guys with weapons. Especially as they'll hurt the wife or kid if he does. I would have gotten a knife though, before they came back.


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor..

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When a couple of twerpy kids are threatening the lives of a man's wife and son, nothing but death would stop him from defending them any way he could. Nothing these characters did was remotely believable.

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And yet, you can read news accounts almost every day of situations where somebody failed to even attempt a defense, in real-life situations where you can't believe somebody wouldn't.

A lot of it has to do with weirdly inexplicable psychological tendencies. If you asked some of these guys what they would've done if somebody had told them beforehand that their wives, kids, etc. would be threatened like this, all or nearly all of them would've said they'd sacrifice their lives. But there's something about the reality of violence, and to some degree the escalation of it through successive levels of compliance, that paralyzes people. People who live normal lives aren't used to coping with it, and they always seem a step or two behind the perpetrator as things escalate. They fail to recognize quickly enough exactly where they are and what's going on, how extreme it is, so this kind of power relationship exists where they simply comply. Three out of four airplanes on 9-11 were taken over by hijackers without any apparent attempt by passengers to stop them. People let themselves be ordered into a car because a guy tells them to and threatens them from 10 feet away with a knife, even though it's absolutely clear to anybody who knows anything about these situations that your best chance by far is to run at that point (and throw your wallet or purse behind you), yell as loud as you can and attract as much attention as you can, because once you get into that car, it's probably over. And even if you do get stabbed or even shot in that situation, with people in the vicinity, you're likely to survive. (Not so likely to survive if you do get stabbed or shot in the middle of a dark field or the woods.) But people comply anyway. They allow the gunman to walk them right to the edge of the grave, or they allow the soldier to walk them to the place of execution.

In a slightly different situation, but with more or less the same mechanism, they end up in head-on accidents that could've been avoided easily by simply veering off the road -- but it takes the driver more than a couple of seconds to catch up with the idea that somebody is in his lane when he's not supposed to be. Plenty of time to avoid it if you don't have that delay, but people just don't catch up. People have conditioned themselves, or society has conditioned them, or both, to think that everything is going to stay between the lines, and the other guy's going to stay between his lines too. Part of the sociopath's game is to exploit this kind of powerful preconception in a way that keeps the sociopath always ahead of the ability of the victim to assess the situation accurately and respond appropriately.

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They should have geared up for war and quit moaping around, grab the knives and gold clubs, even make an electrified trap. When she was on the road and got to the neighbor's gate, werent the bars wide enough for her (and her rolls) to get thru? I guess for movies to get away from the usual Hollywood terror, they have to take different paths, incl the rewind scene, off-screen killings and camera asides (which probably go back to ancient Greek theatre, but even that's too new for Hollywood)

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Yeah, I'd love to see how you would do with a shattered knee, tough guy.

I'm happiest...in the saddle.

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Hmmmm...I have two kids. If I was in the situation that Roth was in, at the point where I really thought my kids' life was in danger, I'd have launched at one of those two pansies and held on to his throat for dear life. The other one would have had to knock me out to get me off.

That's not a tough guy statement, it's just a parental instinct. The moment where Roth actually did lurch and grab at one of them was the most realistic moment in the movie. My wife would've jumped on the back of the other one and bit and clawed like a rabid dog. Again, not a tough guy statement. Your protective gene would go in to hyperdrive in that sort of situation.

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A lot of people´s notions of what is or isn´t "realistic", are probably inevitably shaped by the action movies they´ve been watching.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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I saw like 3 or 4 action movies in my entire life and i thought they were all really dumb and hated them. Any other bright suggestions?

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Nope, I suppose you´re gonna have to figure it out on your own. As it certainly isn´t in any way logical that a man with a busted knee would try to engage two healthy lads in a physical confrontation as long as it isn´t clearly the only way to stand a chance of surviving. Especially as there are also his wife and son who would be made to suffer the consequences of his hotheaded actions.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Well, be that as it may, I love Tim Roth enough to give this one a look. I'll be back with more after the movie.

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Well, I watched it. I found it to be very intense and extremely disturbing, as this could really happen. I also did not see any way that George (Tim Roth) acted like a wuss...have you ever had a busted knee? It's not pretty, in fact, it's one of the most painful places on the body to have injured. I also think that he didn't want to stir the pot for fear that if he did his wife and son would pay for his actions. Nope, that is definitely not a situation I would ever want to be in! All in all, I thought it was a pretty good movie and well acted out. And after seeing this, I hope I never get a visit from any soft spoken, super polite boys wearing white gloves...I'll probably shoot and ask questions later!!

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And after seeing this, I hope I never get a visit from any soft spoken, super polite boys wearing white gloves...I'll probably shoot and ask questions later!!


LOL.

Anyway, while I don't think his character was a 'wuss' in any way (NO ONE knows what they'd be capable of in a situation like this), the one thing that didn't seem realistic to me is that no matter how much pain that injury to his leg caused him, unless he was literally paralyzed, adrenaline can usually give one almost 'super human' qualities; so sure, IRL, he might have been able to do more - in other words, fight to the death to save his family, injury or no injury.

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It seems that adrenaline has almost mythical features... but fact is that it effects muscles, so busted knee is still busted, no matter what. The knee won't just start working again, because you stopped feeling the pain or became stronger due to adrenaline rush.

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Have you ever had your kneecap busted? I haven't. But I have had it pop out of place, which isn't nearly as painful. But the pain from it popping out was some of the most excrutiating pain I've felt in my life. I'm a dude so I can't say how it compares to childbirth. It also affected my mobility greatly when it happened.

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