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I've read the play on which this film is based. Possible spoilers.


Easy Virtue was an easy read, apart from the fact that my copy was second hand and had additional stage directions and acting notes, bits crossed out and the part of Charles highlighted by the previous owner! There was a rehearsal schedule and a photocall appointment too! It's all go in am/dram!

The play has a lot more characters than the Hitchcock film, and is very of its period, though Noel Coward himself said that things were changing and he was feeling very nostalgic when he wrote it.

In the play, the lead character, Larita, though beautiful, sophisticated and witty, is considered too old to be likely to provide an heir or other grandchildren, by the family, the first bone of contention, before they find out about her divorce, etc, a bit like the Duchess of Windsor. It is rather like that story, though it was written ten years earlier at least. The ending is very different though, John didn't have the makings of a king, or the strength to abdicate. Larita is a slightly flawed heroine, but a bit of a victim though she has become worldly and wise living abroad, and a sympathetic character.

A lot of very old-fashioned attitudes are displayed by three of the female characters, the mother and her two daughters. It is very much about the hypocrisy, self-righteousness and double standards of those days, and later, to a lesser extent.

It does have some very funny scenes and moments, but the ending is a little sad and there is just the slight hope of Larita later marrying an older and more worldly and likeable character, Charles Burleigh, and that Sarah Hurst may one day marry John Whittaker, despite her being very different to his mother and sisters, who had long been expecting John to marry her.

I would guess that Hitchcock put in extra scenes and had it arranged so that Larita was even more the star and to draw parallels between her manipulative and bullying first husband and her totally weak and unsupportive lover, and her organising and bossy mother-in-law and weak and passive second husband. This would change the character of the play a lot and lose all the humour and some of the insights, the subtleties of which would be difficult in a silent movie.

Larita's first husband was not in the original play, nor was her lover, and there was no trial, but they do refer to the husband divorcing her and the lover having committed suicide.

John's part is not all that big, or all that important. He is a weak but charming character and very young, not much more than twenty five, if that; his younger sister is just nineteen, and his older sister is not more than thirty; he is almost an anti-hero, he isn't really all that loyal and helpful to Larita, even before the chips are down. He is absent when the family discover her past. If they can't get RZ to play her, Kristin Scott Thomas could do it to a T. I have seen her play women like this, though in different circumstances.

Colonel Whittaker is a lovely, character, an old-fashioned gentleman, not at all pi and very warm. He seems to have been unfaithful, at least sexually, to his cold wife in the past and she is a very nervous person who complains about everything and everyone, thinking herself perfect. She seems genuinely upset by John's marriage and nearly hysterical when Larita's past is discovered by the younger daughter.
She is not being nasty to get attention or make capital, she has really poor, cold values and can't understand anyone who is not as cold and repressed, and repressive as she is. She is not the type to make a scene, really. Just coldly judgemental.


If I were casting this I would have Bill Nighy play Charles Burleigh and end up with Larita. They have mutual friends, and both seem popular in their own set.
Kristin Scott Thomas is much too beautiful to be the mother or the unfeminine older sister, (as is Julie Christie, though she would have made a lovely Larita a few years back!) Maggie Smith would bring out the mother's nervous twitches, low spirits and high dudgeon wonderfully well. I wonder if these two were once approached, and then the focus changed.

It would film well, as long as you took it off the stage and out of the drawing room. I would start by cutting between the family and friends in England; Father reading The Times, Mother giving orders to the gardener, the sister watching the other four characters playing tennis, from the verandah, the family dining at home with friends; and John and Larita in the South of France; meeting, Larita's French maid helping her dress for the first date, dining out alone, marrying, the pyjama clad couple having a pillow fight ending in a clinch; over the opening credits.
Then have scenes of him bringing the two together and just hoping it happens, and them first trying to get on and then slowly becoming more openly critical and hostile to each other and then the flaming row when the past comes out. This is one of two set pieces or highlights and the mother seems to get the upper hand and be in charge.
I would change the discussion of the Chinese Lanterns and fairy lights in the garden, which is just light relief, pun intended, to discussion of fireworks or a fear of threatening storms ruining the buffet or flowers to signal what is coming, wittily and pithily, especially as Sarah and Charles both already know about Larita. This discussion is re-echoed briefly before the second big scene towards the end of the third act, the ballroom scene, very funny, where Larita has her swan song, with Mrs Whittaker seeming bested, but actually very serious, with the mother about to get her way and John still vacillating. The actual ending is very wistful and sad and would work on film, but I would like a stronger promise of Charles meeting up with Larita later on, and John back with Sarah, even though she clearly as doubts and would need to lay some ground rules, like not living with her mother in law. Larita has made her promise to look after John, at least. Even in fiction, I wouldn't break eggs without making an omelette!

"I hate quotations, tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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I see. Small whinge followed by long rant.

So it's either Kristen or Renée, not both. And Julie is too old or too beautiful for any role. That's not fair.

If they are thinking the same way as you it looks like Bill has the starring role and it makes sense that he was chosen first.

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It doesn't seem as if Charles Burleigh has a big role, or did I read that wrong? The two biggest parts seem to be the mother and Larita.

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Charles Burleigh is the main male role, bigger I think then the Colonel's. He knows the same people as Larita, so they have a scene together discussing that, as well as him being a friend of Sarah, and having a scene with her, and of course he is in some of the group ones.

"I hate quotations, tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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I see. So they are passing acquaintances from before she meets John, and they end up falling in love, as you would have it. So would you rather see Bill Nighy and Kristen Scott Thomas together, or Bill Nighy and Renee?

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Surely, Bill Nighy and Kristen Scott Thomas would be a better match than Nighy and Renée.

Sorry Bill but perhaps they should get Ralph Fiennes.

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Right. Renee and Ralph it is. Who's going to tell Bill? Funny thing is he's the only one that's been cast!

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Charles and Larita have never actually met before, but they are more of an age, and know the same people in France. He has made the transition from that set of people to the English gentry, that she wants to do, to make her marriage a success. He is helped by Sarah, who only leaves him alone once, but John never seems to be with Larita and she is left to her own devices, and is criticised for not joining in, and gets bored and fed up. Then her past is discovered and totally puts the mockers on it.

"I hate quotations, tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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Okay, are Sarah and Charles romantically involved at first, or are they just friends? It would be something if Sarah and Charles were together, and Larita and John were together, and at the end they swapped! With each person ending up with someone who is more right for them.

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I think Sarah and Charles are just friends, though they are together a lot, I guess if Larita and John had worked out, Charles would have made a play for Sarah, but she makes it clear she thinks he is too old, in one scene where she is alone with John, and he is showing that he is having regrets, and thinks it might have been better to have married her. She is a really nice girl and doesn't encourage him at all, now that he is married to someone else. I liked her a lot. I felt sorry for Larita, but my favourite characters were Charles and Sarah. They don't really need each other, they can both cope with anything, and cope gracefully and well. John and Larita need them, really, as, although Larita is strong and has her own money, she is a woman, and that little bit vulnerable.

"I hate quotations, tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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Got it. I could see showing Sarah as ready to resign to marrying Charles, once she knows that John is married. Then, when John reveals his misgivings, she will realize that maybe there is hope after all, and she doesn't have to settle for someone she thinks is too old for her anyway. I could definitely see Renee in that role, doing her accent that she must have fully mastered by now! And then Kristen would play Larita and end up with Bill.

Maybe I should read the play. Speaking of Noel Coward, I'm off to watch Design for Living. (I love a good segue!)

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Brilliant segue!

Come back and tell us about it.

"I hate quotations, tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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I loved it! Fantastically witty and sharp. The two men, Gary Cooper and Frederic March, were really funny, and Miriam Hopkins was fabulous. And those gowns! It is startling at first to hear people in black and white movies talk so frankly about sex. Gotta love those pre-code movies!

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How was the quality of the DVD? Mine which is from the Cooper collection seemed fine.

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Yeah, mine was perfect. It was also from the GC collection. I PM'd jltyler and told her. Maybe she got a bad copy.

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From what I can gather, she must've seen this film many times. It's one of her favourites. I'm not sure that she has seen the latest DVD as she's got Turner Classic movie channel. I'm sure it would be on there more often than Rocky III. Her post seemed to be that she was generally worried about the quality of DVDs from that era.

I've had some poor quality ones from the 30s. Some old Hitchcock (from 1930 to 1939) in particular. It was a cheap box set. The oldest were the worst, the sound in particular. You can generally tell by the price whether they are a bit on the dodgy side.

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I'll have to see this one. It was probably on TV years ago, but I don't really remember. My mother doted on Gary Cooper so we would have watched it. Guess she must have seen in the cinema.

"I hate quotations, tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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Pity about Julie Christie, she would have been fabulous. I suppose we could do a tiny rewrite so the mother really was a beauty when she was young. Anything goes in the movies! Then Kristen could be her daughter, though they are a bit close in years. There are plenty of Oscar Wilde and Noel Coward things either of them would be good in. I rather like revivals.

Maybe Julie could be Mrs Hurst, Sarah's mother. Only a small part so we are not told anything about her looks or character, seems rather nice, and no reason why she shouldn't be a looker. We could cast anyone we like for the ball scene, there are lots of extra characters, some just described as "young people", we could even add in a few extra if the budget will stand it!

"I hate quotations, tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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I suppose we could do a tiny rewrite so the mother really was a beauty when she was young. Anything goes in the movies!

That could work. A woman who was once beautiful, but who has lost her beauty, or has no one to appreciate it, could be a very bitter lady indeed. We would also see where she gets her haughtiness, and belief that she has the right to look down on everyone. I can see Julie Christie playing haughty very well. She could be the type to make you feel 2 inches tall with one withering look.

But, what's this? No role for Renee?

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I really don't like the way Julie gets discarded so quickly. She's just finishing/finished a film. So it looks like she's available. It's just a play not real people so a bit of adjusting to suit the cast is allowable, isn't it?

They'd better be a role for Renée or I'll pack my bags and post on another board.

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I just said we could change it or find her another part! You can't take yes for an answer!

I would like to see it with them all a bit more grown-up and have Renee play Sarah, more poignant if he dumps her at that age, even if temporarily. It would be easy to increase the size of the part a bit, or cut it less than the others, it is not a minor role anyway. Julie could then be either mother.

For all we know RZ is going to be the American Larita. There are too few details around to tell.

"I hate quotations , tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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"I would like to see it with them all a bit more grown-up and have Renee play Sarah, more poignant if he dumps her at that age, even if temporarily. It would be easy to increase the size of the part a bit, or cut it less than the others, it is not a minor role anyway. Julie could then be either mother."

Plus, Renée might want a supporting character part. After the leads in Miss Potter and Case 39, it would be like a walk in the park. Yes, Julie as either mother.

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Isn't she the right height to be RZ's mother?

"I hate quotations, tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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Does it matter in this case? I've changed my mind as Mrs Hurst doesn't sound that terribly interesting. Plus I'd like to see Julie in not-too-small a part.

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We could make her part bigger. She can have some of the younger daughter's lines. Keep Hilda out of mischief, playing tennis. Seen but not heard!

"I hate quotations, tell me what you know." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

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Having read your very interesting discussion on the casting and just seen the movie I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the final outcome. Particularly the casting of Colin Firth and Kristen Scott Thomas as the older Mr and Mrs Whittaker. Also the character of Charles Burleigh didn't seem to be in the movie.

Ignorance never settles a question
Benjamin Disraeli

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Your synopsis of the play was excellent.

Have you ever considered that the basic premise is used similarly in 'Lost in Translation'.

Hopefully you weren't too disappointed with the end result of the film.

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