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The ending caught me off guard (SPOILERS)


Did anyone else expect Everett to be killed when he challenged Bragg? I mean, the whole movie had kinda set us up to think that there was going to be a finale between Bragg and Virgil.

Besides, we knew that Bragg was an excellent shooter, in the beginning he shot three men just like that. We also knew that though Everett was one of the best, the plot had made it clear that he wasn't as good as Virgil.

Everett was kind of a sidekick figure, at least when it comes to shooting. So I was surprised when he shot Bragg before he could even draw his weapon. A fine ending, in my opinion.

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The movie has to be judged as a movie and by what you see without having read the book; but in the book Everett is the narrator, so in that sense he's kind of the main character, although the focus of the action (both in APPALOOSA and the subsequent volumes of the trilogy) is Virgil. Even in the movie, however, I felt that we are kind of seeing things through Everett's eyes. Often when we learn about Virgil it's from Everett discussing his friend with others.

In the book, also, the events after the shootout with the Sheltons and Bragg's eventual return to Appaloosa are more detailed and drawn out. Some of this was filmed but edited out. In the missing scenes you can feel Everett's increasing anger with Bragg and so his ultimate challenge isn't that much of a surprise. But even in the movie, as is, it seems like Everett is a lot more angry with Bragg than Virgil, and Everett knows about Allie cheating with Bragg, which Virgil doesn't.

As has been discussed here before, Bragg was a good shot with a rifle--at least against men who weren't expecting him to shoot them. With a handgun, facing an opponent who was equally skilled and determined (and with Everett, I would say moreso) . . . not so much.

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Very good points you made there. I haven't read the book so I see things only through the movie. If I had remembered that the narrator in the beginning was indeed Everett, I probably would have guessed that he survives the fight.

Another thing I somehow missed was Everett as the point of view. Come to think about it, there indeed were many scenes that followed Everett instead of Virgil. I wasn't surprised that he challenged Bragg, I was surprised that he walked from it alive. I was expecting the fight to lead to the climax with Virgil and Bragg. It worked better this way, though.

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Most of what you see in the film is through Hitch's eyes, and you watch him watching other people, or interacting with them, far more than you see Virgil. For example, you never, except for one brief glimpse, see Virgil and Allie together without Hitch's also being there. EH uses the nonverbal equivalent of voice-over through the film when he lets VM show you by his face and body language what he is seeing and thinking.

It's an interesting way to tell a story. EH said he wouldn't have done it without VM, whose particular acting skills the part calls on. EH knew about those from working with him on HISTORY OF VIOLENCE. In that film a lot of their characters' interactions are nonverbal, including one long sequence in which the two actors simply look at each other, saying everything with their faces. It takes a particular skill to make that work, and both actors have it. You can see both of them use it in other work they have done over the years.

It also takes a director who recognizes the nonverbal interactions and uses them, and many directors seem to be afraid of doing that, especially in the age of the MTV cut, which allows for no acting subtlety whatever.

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Yes, I agree on that. Many fantastic scenes are ruined with words. Not on this movie, the main characters are very complex and the acting and direction gives the viewer a lot to think about by him/herself. It's like you can almost read their thoughts.. I think I'll have to give this one another view sometimes :)

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@ silakka . I agree with this "Many fantastic scenes are ruined with words. " I find that movies these days tend to shy away from that unlike older movies used to. So much can be conveyed through none verbal scenes giving the right actors and how its done . New movies would benefit much more by applying this to there films.

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A lot of the lack of wordless or nearly wordless scenes seems to be the filmmakers' fear that they won't hold the audience's interest. And the short, MTV-style cuts don't help the situation, either. Modern films tend to be much busier than older ones, for fear of the audience's short attention span.

It's nice to see the occasional filmmaker who isn't afraid of longer, silent or almost silent shots, but they tend to occur in auteur films and art films. And not all actors like them, either, because so many of them have never learned how to act them.

In FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING both Elijah Wood and Sean Bean were very happy that their climactic scene together could be shot in long takes, sometimes even with both of them in the shot. They both commented that it felt much more real, and thought it enabled them to do the scene better. Some of the rest of the cast, who had worked only in film, were just awestruck. The were acting like stage actors. And they liked doing it!

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Both in the book and the movie, Hitch is the narrator.

Also, many of the scenes, when you reflect on it, are from his perspective.

As the narrator, there is an assumption he survives the story. Granted, not always.

He killed Bragg to "give" Allie back to Virgil. Because he knew that his friend loved her, in spite of her obvious flaws in character.

And while Virgil was a 'black and white' charactor, Hitch had 'feelings'. Those feelings wouldnt allow Hitch to give Bragg a pass.

Hitch also saw the writting on the wall. He knew that the townsmen were going to allow Bragg back into town and society, further that such an act meant the eventual end of Virgil & Hitch's role.

He couldnt, wouldnt let Bragg win.

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I'm guessing I'm the only one who knew that Hitch was going to walk away from the Bragg fight without a doubt. Bragg was a coward who talked big, while Hitch was a good gun-fighter, proven.

So I'm really surprised that seemingly everybody under this thread agrees that the ending, with Hitch walking off into the "Western Sunset", was a shocker.

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Well, anyone who had read the book knew. It didn't spoil the scene, IMO. I watched the film again recently, knew every plot element, and still found plenty to enjoy in it.

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i saw the movie just yesterday and haven't read the book.

in my opinion this movie was all about Virgil and Everett is somewhat of his "invisible friend". Virgil is always looking for words and very insecure with women, Everett is the complete opposite. In the end it's Everett, being the better side of Virgil who deals with the villain. Then he disappears along the horizon...

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...I was surprised when he shot Bragg before he could even draw his weapon.
Neither of them drew their pistols. Their pistols were already in their hands, which were at their sides. They merely raised their pistols and fired. Bragg fired first, before he had his pistol aimed, and the bullet hit the ground at Everett's feet. Then Everett leveled his pistol and fired. You need to watch that scene again.

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Thanks for clarifying, but it was hardly a massive mistake that the OP made!






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QUOTE A:


...I was surprised when he shot Bragg before he could even draw his weapon.


QUOTE B:
Neither of them drew their pistols. Their pistols were already in their hands, which were at their sides. They merely raised their pistols and fired. Bragg fired first, before he had his pistol aimed, and the bullet hit the ground at Everett's feet. Then Everett leveled his pistol and fired. You need to watch that scene again.


QUOTE C:
Thanks for clarifying, but it was hardly a massive mistake that the OP made!


Who made anything out to be "massive"?

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It was the snarky "You need to watch the scene again!" that got me... Anyone is capable of making a simple mistake; that doesn't mean they weren't paying proper attention. Just correct people politely; there's never any need to take a lecturing tone, into the bargain.

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"It was the snarky "You need to watch the scene again!" that got me..."

Why is that offensive or upsetting or whatever? It's just suggesting someone missed something obvious but will see it if they look again. Isn't it better than calling the person an idiot as some posters do? It is respectful, unless one is a person who can't stand being told they are wrong at any time.

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I would imagine that it is better than being called an idiot, yes, but that doesn't make it desirable...

This doesn't matter to me at all, as it wasn't my mistake, but if it was something I had overlooked, then just informing me of it would be enough to convince me that I'd see it if I looked again... I'm not in the habit of assuming that people make things up off the top of their heads, to send folk on a wild goose chase.

I've no problem with being told I'm wrong, but being told what to do will irk me; so it's just as well it wasn't addressed to me, really.






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I think you mean Virgil Cole rather than Bragg. And Cole is acknowledged by his friend, Everett, to be the expert killer, totally in control of each situation and giving Everett orders and advice. So I'd have to say that no, Cole is not a lover rather than a fighter.

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Then you're re-writing the book. Everett uses the huge gun for a reason. He follows Cole's lead for a reason.

As for the second - ah, I see what you meant. It was the "lover" bit that threw me, since we hardly see him as that except for a few moments with Allie.

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I'm not getting suspenseful - I'm having my supper!

Getting the book is a good choice. Hope you'll enjoy it.

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I don't think so. What surprised Virgil was that Everett would actually do out of friendship what Virgil's own code wouldn't allow him to do. The final look was an affirmation of their long friendship.

Ed Harris said that VM actually smiled slightly at him, as they had agreed, but that when he looked at the dailies he found that the mustache mostly hid his mouth. In the book Everett hugged Virgil before he left, but I like the film's version better. I know they were Robert Parker's characters, but I just don't think V and E would ever hug. ☺

Both of them knew that Virgil was the faster shot. It was part of their understanding of each other. They talk about that more than once.

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