This Friday on “Caprica” ep 08: “Ghosts in the Machine” - Caprica (2010) Discussion

[–] LondoMollari1 11 years ago

I find it interesting how popular the "Ghost in the Machine" title seems to be. There was also an X-Files episode with the same title as well as an album by the Police.

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[–] madp 11 years ago

It's because it's an old philosophical concept.

The "ghost in the machine" is British philosopher Gilbert Ryle's description of René Descartes' mind-body dualism. The phrase was introduced in Ryle's book The Concept of Mind (1949)[1] to highlight the perceived absurdity of dualist systems like Descartes' where mental activity carries on in parallel to physical action, but where their means of interaction are unknown or, at best, speculative.
(Source: Wikipedia, the source of all knowledge.)

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[–] madp 11 years ago

by LondoMollari1 » 3 days ago (Fri Apr 18 2014 05:54:10)
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I find it interesting how popular the "Ghost in the Machine" title seems to be.

Ha! "Ghost in the Machine" is the title of the season 4 premiere of Falling Skies (2011).

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[–] brimfin 11 years ago

“I give this episode a zero, since I can’t give it anything lower – Oh, wait, I give it a minus one.” That’s what I might have said if they had actually killed the dog. I probably would have been a little more generous in reality, but definitely nothing higher than a four.

We start with a good recap of what is going on, and then we proceed forward on the plotlines. Well, sort of. Despite all that goes on, nothing much moves forward – in fact one storyline moves backward.

Joseph continues to search for Tamara with Emmanuelle’s help. He busts into his alternate world office and soon is confronted by armed men. Emmy looks like she’s just trying to save herself but instead attacks with both guns blazing. Joseph pulls his piece, but even with a machine gun pointed at him and the shooter half-“dead”, he’s too chicken to pull the trigger. (In my notes I wrote, “Shoot, you frakking coward.”) Emmy finishes the guy off and then tells Joe to come back when he grows a pair.

He later seeks advice from Sam on how to deal with killing someone and Sam tells him to tell yourself it’s not real, then they just become targets. Rather ironic advice, since in fact they aren’t real in the game. He returns and gets Emmy’s help again - a little too easily in my book – and enters some nightclub that looks like men in drag doing CABARET. The host asks him a stupid riddle and since he can’t answer it, he just gets tossed out. I guess if you answer it wrong, you are “killed” but not answering just gets you ejected. While getting his gun back, he sees Tamara’s symbolic T on the wall. So he takes Sam’s advice to heart , and suddenly just takes out everyone – even the gun-check guy. The host tells him he’s seen Tamara but doesn’t know where she is. Joe lets him live – just returning the favor, I guess, and he finds more of Tamara’s fancy T’s all over the place. Not much progress there. Now, here’s a thought: could Emmanuelle be Tamara in disguise? She knew who Heracles was, found Joseph easily, she got shot but didn’t die (yes, it could have been just a flesh wound as she said – or maybe not), and she made a point of saying she didn’t look like this in real life. We’ll find out -eventually.

Clarice had a brief phone conversation with Amanda, who is still seeing her dead brother and now some mystery car as well. Tomas shows up at her home to give her the whole story about the theft of the MCP adding the fact that his associates were beaten to death. She insists her husband would have no part of that and calls him in the lab, only to have him snap, “Not now, dear. I’m trying to see if my daughter will shoot the dog!” Not a lot of progress there either.

And then there’s the big story – Zoe vs. Daniel. Following up to last week’s last second reveal, he tries to see if his daughter is indeed inside the Cylon. First, he goes all COOL HAND LUKE on her, forcing her to do the same task over and over. Then he tries to scare her out with a ring of fire, knowing Zoe is afraid of fire. Finally, he pulls the ultimate in low-life treachery – asking the Cylon to shoot the dog, hoping his daughter will resist his command. Instead, she shoots the dog. Yes, for a few brief seconds I actually believed that she had killed that sweet dog rather than reveal herself to her father. Instead, he was okay; Daniel had put blanks in the gun. But my opinion of Zoe dropped to about zero – until it was revealed that she knew from the different weight that the gun had blanks in it. And if they had been real bullets, she would have shot Daniel instead of the dog. Okay, Zoe, you are forgiven too.

The main trouble with that storyline is that the story takes a step backward. Daniel no longer believes his daughter is in the robot, or that if she is, she is a soulless piece of crap who would shoot a lovable dog. (As you all may have guessed, I really like dogs).

Other thoughts: Joseph takes a “drug” in the virtual world to boost his reflexes. Can you really take a drug in virtual reality that could have an effect on you – even in the virtual world? Frankly, no – that dismisses the whole virtual world as a sham. But it doesn’t matter, as the whole virtual world concept is ridiculous anyway. Right now, we can barely make people think they are maybe in a big cave shooting at bats or something, but not much else. It’s highly unlikely we’ll ever reach a level where you can touch another virtual person and have it feel real, let alone do something complex like having sex with them. But then it’s not likely we’ll ever travel in time or live the same day over and over again or even travel to distant galaxies in short time spans. It’s all part of being science-fiction or fantasy, and you just engage your suspension of disbelief and charge forward. But just for the record, CAPRICA is not a documentary.

Finally, the amphead who was using Joseph’s office was played by Stephan Arngrim. I don’t know if any of you remember a show called LAND OF THE GIANTS back in the 60’s, but on that he played little Barry with his little dog Chipper. He did make the transition to adult roles, but almost always plays drug addicts or other weird characters, including a recurring role in FRINGE where he was a mysterious shop owner (it was an antique shop maybe, or pawn shop – it’s been a while). Just thought I’d give the guy a plug.

Okay, a score for the week. Fortunately, no dogs were harmed or killed, but I’m still a little creeped out over the whole situation. Not much progress on the storylines but admittedly the Zoe vs. Daniel story was very dramatic. I’m torn between a six and a seven, so I’ll give it 6.5 yummy dog treats for Caesar, the happy, lovable and un-shot dog. (And I guess I just effectively blew any chance of unanimity this week.)

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[–] madp 11 years ago

by brimfin » “I give this episode a zero, since I can’t give it anything lower – Oh, wait, I give it a minus one.” That’s what I might have said if they had actually killed the dog. I probably would have been a little more generous in reality, but definitely nothing higher than a four.

Yeah, I got the same feeling when I watched it for the first time.

The main trouble with that storyline is that the story takes a step backward. Daniel no longer believes his daughter is in the robot, or that if she is, she is a soulless piece of crap who would shoot a lovable dog. (As you all may have guessed, I really like dogs).

At the moment I must agree with you, but let's see how that connects with the way Daniel tries to find a solution for the mass production of the U-87. We might get back and discuss that issue again.

Other thoughts: Joseph takes a “drug” in the virtual world to boost his reflexes. Can you really take a drug in virtual reality that could have an effect on you – even in the virtual world? Frankly, no – that dismisses the whole virtual world as a sham. But it doesn’t matter, as the whole virtual world concept is ridiculous anyway.

Oh, I really have to disagree with that. Definitely it would not be a chemical drug, but, rather, an electrical one. I believe the correct stimuli to the brain would have the same effect. It's all about how the brain interprets stimuli. For instance, strobe lights are known to cause epileptic attacks in some people. So, the correct light and electricity combination perhaps would to the trick. It's all in the brain. I have no problems with that.

Right now, we can barely make people think they are maybe in a big cave shooting at bats or something, but not much else.

Yeah, right now. Who knows what the future will bring. The problem is taht they show a contemporary society, and this is really really advanced. On the other hand they have faster-than-light pace travel... Oh, well...

It’s highly unlikely we’ll ever reach a level where you can touch another virtual person and have it feel real, let alone do something complex like having sex with them.

Again, it's all in the brain. As long as the stimuli are there, and the regular senses can be bypassed, that would work. The problem is that you would be so connected to the virtual world that I don't think one would be able to disconnect just like that and, for instance, answers a phone call in reality, or even remove the holoband. I also have problems accepting that would be achieved just through something that connects with us through visual impulses. One Outer Limits episode had a man in VR go into a full-body pod to physically interact with other characters in VR. I thought that solution as interesting.

Speaking of sham holo world, I never bought the "solid light" cr@p from Star Trek The Next Generation in the holodeck.

But then it’s not likely we’ll ever travel in time or live the same day over and over again or even travel to distant galaxies in short time spans. It’s all part of being science-fiction or fantasy, and you just engage your suspension of disbelief and charge forward.

I have more problems to accept faster-than-light space travel because of all that is known in theory, the theory of Relativity, etc... Just the amount of energy that would require would be unbelievable.

Finally, the amphead who was using Joseph’s office was played by Stephan Arngrim.

He's unrecognizable, really.

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[–] brimfin 11 years ago

Other thoughts: Joseph takes a “drug” in the virtual world to boost his reflexes. Can you really take a drug in virtual reality that could have an effect on you – even in the virtual world? Frankly, no – that dismisses the whole virtual world as a sham. But it doesn’t matter, as the whole virtual world concept is ridiculous anyway. (brimfin)
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Oh, I really have to disagree with that. Definitely it would not be a chemical drug, but, rather, an electrical one. I believe the correct stimuli to the brain would have the same effect. It's all about how the brain interprets stimuli. For instance, strobe lights are known to cause epileptic attacks in some people. So, the correct light and electricity combination perhaps would to the trick. It's all in the brain. I have no problems with that. (madp)

My whole problem with that was that he took the drug while inside the virtual world. I could see putting the drops in your eyes before putting the holobands on, or making some holoband adjustment. The stimuli being electronic I had no problem with. But how would the holoband "know" that you had taken a drug, and subsequently adjust the electronic stimuli?

However, thinking it over, I didn't seem to have any problem with people shooting each other in the V-world. But how would the holoband "know" that you had picked up a gun and at what trajectory you had fired it, and if you had been "hit" by someone else's gun and trajectory? Somehow, the connection between the holoband and the V-world "knows" all that and reacts accordingly. So I guess it's no more ludicrous that it would "know" you had been given a drug and had put it in your eye, and thus react accordingly. So, your logic is solid.

I still don't think we'll ever have a virtual world anything like the one in CAPRICA or ST:TNG. Maybe people will film 3-D walking tours of exotic locales and you'll be able to put a helmet over your head and get the illusion of walking down those streets, but only on the set course of the film. You won't be able to decide to pop into a coffee shop, let alone have a coffee there, or kiss a pretty girl. But that's just my opinion.

Finally, the amphead who was using Joseph’s office was played by Stephan Arngrim.(brimfin)
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He's unrecognizable, really.(madp)

I didn't recognize him myself until I saw his name in the closing credits.

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[–] dtmuller 11 years ago

Nice summary, Brimfin. By now, the answer to "why did this show fail" should be obvious. If not for this group, I'd have dropped out a couple of weeks back. With a good show, you sit down and say, "OK, let's see what happens this week!" With this one, I find myself sitting down to say, "OK, let's see if anything happens this week." I just noticed this was episode 8. It surprised me; I thought it had been much longer than that.

It looks like they have enough material here for a good three-part miniseries. But they've stretched it out to triple that length. It reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode, "Eye of the Beholder". That was a good story, but needed only about five minutes to set up the premise, then a minute or two for the surprise ending. But they had to fill 25 minutes, not 6 or 7, so it was 75% filler.

The big, flaming sign that they can't figure out what to do with this show is that they keep introducing elements and throwing them away or ignoring them for weeks and weeks.

* Introduce cylons, then ignore them for several weeks

* Introduce the STO, but don't develop anything. What have we learned about the STO since the pilot episode? Virtually nothing.

* Introduce the Tauron "mafia" bit, then let it disappear.

* Introduce Sister Clarice as an interesting villain, then do nothing with her.

* Make a big deal about this unspecified mission to Geminon, never get there, and never explain what it's about.

* Introduce the relationship between Sam and Willie, devote almost an entire episode to it, then ignore it.

* Introduce Vergis as a big threat, then have him do nothing. An occasional veiled threat is not doing something.

* Put the Graystones in a position where the whole world hates them, then make that go away in 15 minutes.

* Spend the better part of an episode getting Tamara to steal all the virtual money, then do nothing with it. Maybe it will eventually become important, but it's been weeks since they dropped that plot line.

Now, many of these might get pulled back in during the remaining weeks. In fact, from reading ahead in the episode descriptions, I can see that they will. But it's going to be way too late. I'm guessing that by the time it happened in the original run, most of the audience had already bailed.

And the worst part of it all, is that instead of developing all of those interesting threads--and there are more that I didn't list--we get a mindless, meaningless, stupid VR game that even the participants can't figure out what, if anything, is it's point.

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[–] madp 11 years ago

by dtmuller » Nice summary, Brimfin. By now, the answer to "why did this show fail" should be obvious.

First of all I'd like to compliment you for your clarity, and I think you went right to the point and explained EXACTLY why this show failed for the general public. But then, well, all of our shows have failed, so by this time we should be prepared for something like that. I just want to add a few tings, because for me there's another side to this story.

* Put the Graystones in a position where the whole world hates them, then make that go away in 15 minutes.

Are you kidding? The guy promised free internet for all! Now the Graystones are the most beloved people on the planet. Terrorism, shmerrorism... Personally I'd LOVE the guy, especially if he also promised for free those VR google-glass-type headsets. (ha! Just kidding, sort of...)

I have a few points to make.

* I've already seen the show. So, I know which story lines will and won't be resolved, and in general I'm satisfied. So i'm really not worried if things are taking longer than they should.

* When the show was originally aired, there was a big break, I think a 10-month break after episode 9 or 10, I'm guessing, so in fact viewers only had to deal with two shorter stints, not the perspective of 18 episodes where nothing happens.

If not for this group, I'd have dropped out a couple of weeks back.

* As a viewer I have high tolerance for shows if I find reasons to enjoy it. On the other hand, if I find something extremely irritating, offensive or stupid, I may drop it right at the pilot, which would be the case of The Middleman (2008) or Tales of the Gold Monkey (1982). In such cases, my tolerance levels go down to almost zero. But I could have left Caprica after the break, but, gladly, I found enough reasons to stay and even look forward to the show's return.

* Again, as a viewer, I'm usually the kind that enjoys the ride and eat up whatever the writers feed me with. I don't usually go around wondering, oh, why aren't they talking about the mafia instead? Why aren't they talking about the STO? Why aren't they showing more scenes with Clarice? Why are there no cats and horses in this show? Instead I enjoy the ride as it is. But for the most impatient viewers I'd suggest a VR interactive game (but one with a point...) in which you can choose a path and explore it, instead of being blindly guided by the writers' flawed wisdom. (Har, har, semi-joking.)

* And I was mostly interested in the story of Zoe/U-87/Daniel story line anyway, so I'm gladly they are addressing, and possibly resolving, that first. The others may come later.

Oh, well, I'm very glad the sole power of peer pressure is making you stay, dtmuller! Things would never be the same without you.

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[–] brimfin 11 years ago

By now, the answer to "why did this show fail" should be obvious...et al. (dtmuller)

I didn't print your whole e-mail in the interest of space. But your observations were witty, well-paced, fun, funny, and an extremely enjoyable read. Your little column gave me more entertainment than most of the episodes of the show so far, maybe even all of them. Well done!

It reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode, "Eye of the Beholder". That was a good story, but needed only about five minutes to set up the premise, then a minute or two for the surprise ending. But they had to fill 25 minutes, not 6 or 7, so it was 75% filler. (dtmuller)

How freaky. I have been watching The Twilight Zone on DVD in order one episode per week and I will be watching that very episode tomorrow morning. And having seen it before, your analysis is quite correct.

Happy Easter, everybody.

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[–] madp 11 years ago

by brimfin » Happy Easter, everybody.

Oh, yeah! Since we all live (practically) in the same corner of the world, at least culturally speaking, we all celebrate Easter.

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[–] robertegblack 11 years ago

considering stuff like optogenetics (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/optogenetics-controlling/, i have no problem with the idea that a VR drug could have an effect on the user's brain... similarly, i notice you don't complain about emmanuele saying her graze wound actually hurt (though she could be lying if she's actually tamara, of course)

all in all, we have to take the version of VR the show gives us at face value. if we're told a drug works, we must assume it does. if we're told an injury hurts or that sex feels good, we must assume it does

-author of the groundhog day project (groundhogdayproject.blogspot.com)-

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[–] madp 11 years ago

Positive points

* Well, I have to say I loved the battle of wits between Zoe and her father. Daniel showed all his Machiavellian side and his carelessness about Zoe's psychological welfare, and I loved every minute of it. And we could predict what was going to happen when he said, "This is going to be painful for you. But it’s all going to be for the best." To which I could add, "BWAHAHAHA!!!" (maniacal villainous laugh)

Oh, and about the dog, well, last week I emphasized how badly dogs are treated (once again, poor Rambis!) and this week it was no different. One of these days Daniel may decide to really kill the dog. And would it kill them to show a cat once in a while? Cats deserve screen time too. Besides, cats rule!

Now apparently things iZoe inside the U-87 are resolved for now, as iZoe seems to have won the sadistic chess game, but there's a lot to develop concerning that subject, particularly her affair with Philo, her desire to leave the lab, and Daniel's problem to reproduce the technology in other robots to fulfill his contract with the military. So, I'm not disappointed one bit (or byte) there.

* Joseph Adama, the Internet junkie. I can see the condition he's in, just lying in there playing a virtual game. That can't go on forever, so I don't expect this story line to go on indefinitely. But the resolution to this whole "finding Tamara" story line had better be good, because the guy keeps looking for her and she has disappeared. The payoff had better be good...

As I said last week, Joseph was safe as long as he stayed in small alleys and never got involved in any trouble. But just yelling Tamara Tamara was a stupid and pointless alternative, so now he’s taking action and getting into trouble with other players. NOW things are really dangerous for him, because somebody might go after him seeking revenge. Until now he was just a prop nobody cared about. Now he’s a player.

Negative points:

* Meanwhile, Tomas Vergis begins to unfold his very SLOW revenge plan. By the time he does anything, Daniel won't even remember who Vergis is anymore.

Vergis: "Graystone, wait for my next move. That will totally disturb you."
Daniel: "OK, but whatever you're gonna do, do it already!"
Vergis: "Don't worry, my friend, I will," he says while twirling his mustache. NEXT MONTH you'll know my very first small step towards full revenge!"
Daniel: "All this wait is killing me!"
Vergis: "that's exactly my intention!"

And what does he do? What is his secret weapon? Vergis finds the power of gossip and TELLS Amanda her husband is a murderer. Wow, that's pure evil! OK, I'm officially bored about that part.

* Also, the New Cap City is a game with no point, and nobody seems to know what the point is. Usually a game has a final goal and levels, but not this one. I guess getting rich, becoming a gangster and living in luxury would be something like the goal. Still, for most people it must be pretty frustrating.

* Meanwhile, in Amanda's story line... Was Amanda even in this episode? I remember she went somewhere, yes the crash site of her brother's accident and phoned Clarice about it, but I have zero interest in all things Amanda, so I forgot all about what they discussed. Oh, and taxis in Caprica City are yellow. how unoriginal. The least they could have done was paint a car a different color for it not to be so openly American. Just FYI, taxis here are bright orange.

All in all...

Did I tell you how much I LOVED Daniel's mind games? Well, I'll grade the episode mostly because of that because the rest was pretty forgettable, so i'll ignore it. This episode gets 7 beloved dogs in a life-threatening situation.

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[–] dtmuller 11 years ago

madp: Oh, and taxis in Caprica City are yellow. how unoriginal. The least they could have done was paint a car a different color for it not to be so openly American.

They did throw you a bit of a bone--the gas can was blue. Here, they're always red. In fact, in some places it's illegal to dispense gasoline into a container that isn't red.

madp: And would it kill them to show a cat once in a while?

Did you mean "Kill them to show a cat" or "Show them killing a cat"? OK, just kidding, but they just might kill that dog, eventually. And the reason they never show people with cats is, as you say, cats rule. Or at least they think they do. You can't actually train them. They train you. Can you imagine trying to get a cat to do all the things Eddie did on Frasier?

Yes, I think the holobands could make you sense anything by direct neural stimulation. How they would pull that off is beyond me, but I think it's more plausible than warp drive, the holodeck, and "beaming". OK--I'll have to admit it--and time travel. (Don't let Gen. Kirk know I said that.)

I knew the dog was never in any danger. They pulled the same trick on an old Mission: Impossible episode, and it's part of a joke that was going around a few years ago. (Political joke, so I'll let it rest.) I did like the way they rehabilitated Zoe with the "low weight" bit.

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[–] madp 11 years ago

by dtmuller » 5 hours ago (Sun Apr 20 2014 06:45:28)
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They did throw you a bit of a bone--the gas can was blue. Here, they're always red. In fact, in some places it's illegal to dispense gasoline into a container that isn't red.

Thanks. How have I lived so far without that piece of information? For something equally relevant to you, here's what our taxis look like.
http://ww1.baguete.com.br/admin//cache/image/noticias/2014/01/13893813 97_88898-tc3a1xi-porto-alegre.jpg

And the reason they never show people with cats is, as you say, cats rule. Or at least they think they do. You can't actually train them. They train you. Can you imagine trying to get a cat to do all the things Eddie did on Frasier?

So true. In honor of a true feline star, and an unsung American hero:
Orangey (He was in the classic SF movie The Incredible Shrinking Man (1957))

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[–] dtmuller 11 years ago

Well, maybe they didn't throw you a bone after all. I've been told that kerosene containers are blue, so maybe that was it. I thought kerosene containers were yellow, but apparently yellow is for diesel fuel.

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[–] bob-402-252005 11 years ago

Gasoline, kerosene, either one would take more than a "hot boxed" cigarette to flash off.

But I digress.

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I'd've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

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[–] madp 11 years ago

by bob-402-252005 » 3 hours ago (Sun Apr 20 2014 17:53:29)
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Gasoline, kerosene, either one would take more than a "hot boxed" cigarette to flash off.

It's different, Caprican, gasoline. Duh!

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[–] bob-402-252005 11 years ago

And it burns, burns, burns. The ring of fire. The ring of fire.

Man, for somebody who claims to love Zoe, Daniel sure is sadistically cruel to the avatar version.

Either he doesn't have empathy for sentient avatars or is just a monster altogether.

Vergis is up to more no good. Looks to be attempting to drive a wedge between Daniel and Amanda.

My favorite part of it, though, is Joseph in New Cap City.

I'm with Emmanuelle. I thought Taurons had bigger stones than that, too. Maybe his family is right and he's become more of a Caprican now. Lucky thing he has a real killer for a brother and could get advice from him.

Poor Caesar. Dogs have very sensitive ears and pistols are really loud. That had to hurt his ears.

Blanks, huh. I had thought she had shot to miss.

Busy weekend, not much time for rewatching and posting.

Not as good as last week's ep, though. 6 pistols full of blanks.

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I'd've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

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[–] jakeconhale 11 years ago

This was, as I recall, one of my favorite episodes of the series, if for no other reason than the Cabaret scene. They actually filmed other scenes in the club to act as a framing device, the performers and audience acting as a greek chorus to the lead performer's narration. Some of that is lost, though.

One of the cut scenes went:
Lead: Time after time, it's the same old story <forget this verse> and we all say "We're sorry!". Something to that effect. Eh well.

I do have to wonder, though, about how new viewers faired on this show vs old timers. When I watched it, we'd already gone through the full Battlestar Galactica run and as such knew generally where things would end up. Part of the drama was seeing the starting bits and how they interacted, fleshing out the world...

I admit i haven't been watching it along with you folks, but I do recall the show itself seeming like a bit of an emotional drug for me - it was just so... sad, desperate, futile. I guess that's the appeal of Opera. I liked it, for some odd reason.

I was always interested in the world, itself. The show may or may not have been slow, but it's deep. It definitely paints a different world. Still, I came into the show for the long haul, unless it immediately alienated me or got weird, I wouldn't mind if it paced itself.

Still, next episode is the mid-season break. Buckle up, you're in for a ride.

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.

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[–] dtmuller 11 years ago

jakeconhale: I do have to wonder, though, about how new viewers faired on this show vs old timers. When I watched it, we'd already gone through the full Battlestar Galactica run and as such knew generally where things would end up. Part of the drama was seeing the starting bits and how they interacted, fleshing out the world...

That may explain a bit. I'm a new viewer, in the sense that I've never watched any of BSG (Shouldn't that be BG? But I digress.) This show seems to move excruciatingly slowly, but maybe it's because I don't care about--or even notice--some of the "starting bits" etc. that might be interesting to someone who's familiar with where this is leading. From my perspective, I don't see it leading much of anywhere.

But you and a few others have mentioned that it's about to start picking up. I'll be looking forward to that!

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[–] madp 11 years ago

by dtmuller » That may explain a bit. I'm a new viewer, in the sense that I've never watched any of BSG.

Which is the reason why I originally didn't vote for the show, even though I thought I was going to enjoy it. I didn't think it was wise to pick a prequel, Which is actually a sequel, which ties in to another show so closely. In a way it's like watching Smallville without knowing anything about Superman and I can't even say they are one and the same, because that would be a spoiler.

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[–] charmedwon666 11 years ago

Just landed at DFW from a week on the road. Didn't get to this one and may not. will try to watch this weeks......Later Dudes.

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[–] madp 11 years ago

Welcome back. What's DFW?

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[–] charmedwon666 11 years ago

DFW = Dallas Fort worth international airport.

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[–] charmedwon666 11 years ago

Not much to say on this one, they all blend together for me but since we grade and brim needs his data I will give this one a 5......... I like 2 characters on this show and they almost killed one of them at the end...poor dogie.

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