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This Friday on “Caprica” ep 11: “Retribution”


Daniel turns to winning hearts and minds in his own special way in order to garner enough votes to return to Graystone Industries' leadership position once again. Clarice and Barnabas to come to a final confrontation where they finally sit down and discuss the issues they disagree upon like two civilized people they are. And Amanda starts to realize her friendship with Clarice is not exactly what she thought, and that it's exactly what WE thought.

STARRING

Paula Malcomson
Amanda Graystone

Esai Morales
Joseph Adama

Sasha Roiz
Sam Adama

Eric Stoltz
Daniel Graystone

Magda Apanowicz
Lacy Rand

Polly Walker
Sister Clarice Willow

Alessandra Torresani
Zoe Graystone

Brian Markinson
Jordan Duram

James Marsters
Barnabas Greeley

Hiro Kanagawa
Cyrus Xander

Zak Santiago
Pann

Liam Sproule
Keon Gatwick

Kendall Cross
Youngblood

Peter Wingfield
Gara Singh

Aidan Dee
Hippolyta

Andrew Airlie
Cornell

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Well first off, I was definitely wrong about Amanda – she is clearly alive. I was going to say she survived without a scratch, until I saw her bruises at the hospital and the fact she was on crutches. Also, she’s in a real cabin somewhere, not in some virtual world cabin because she’s limping around there too - not to mention she sees Clarice wearing her halobands there. Just as well, in this case – I prefer having been wrong last week to having unintentionally given away some big plot twist.

Well, I can’t criticize the title – retribution is at the heart of most of what is going on this week. First, Barnabas’s crew tries to bomb the spaceport where Clarice is returning from Geminon. (That Barnabas – he tries to get you coming and going.) He tells them no one would be there. But, would you believe it, there are some security guards there? I mean, just because someone blew up a maglev train a few months ago, this silly spaceport feels compelled to have security on hand even for flights arriving late at night. Gee whiz. One of the crew shoots the guard and Lacy takes her bomb with her when she runs. Moments later, she points that out to the crew just as they are about to set off the bombs. That actually would have been a great beginning – they push the button and blow up their own car. Hilarious. Instead they dump the bomb and then still fail to push the button thus leaving evidence behind.

Clarice is not so inept. She and her assistant polish off two of the crew on their own, then kidnap Lacy and leave Barnabas to be blown up by a bomb himself. Bye, bye, Barnabas - good riddance. Oh, and Keon was shot dead by Barnabas seconds before Clarice arrives. Didn’t matter, as she would probably have killed him anyway. When Pann offered to give his allegiance to Clarice and admitted that Barnabas had bamboozled him, she killed him anyway – even after saying she forgave him. I guess “forgive” means something different there, or to her.

Meanwhile Daniel is trying to regain his company by blackmailing the Board. Lucky for him, the Board appears to house one sleazy bunch of characters, including a call girl and a guy who’s not only a recovering drug addict but also “hurts young girls.” When this character tells Daniel, “you’re a disgrace,” I was waiting for Daniel to reply, “You hurt young girls, and I’m a disgrace.” There was also some guy who was squeaky-clean, except that he’d been committing adultery for the last six years and was dumb enough to tell Daniel about it at a retreat. Come to think of it, Daniel really is a disgrace. Later, the girl-hurter kills himself and his widow yells at Daniel that she knows he’s involved somehow but Daniel just drives on past her. A lot of time wasted on something that could have been handled with one explanatory conversation.

Amanda is still ticked off at Daniel, but is getting suspicious of Clarice when she hears Zoe’s name bandied about while Clarice is out halobanding. Durham talks to her about Clarice (coming off incidentally as a genuinely concerned cop) and convinces her that Clarice is a danger and that Amanda could be his confidential informant. Indeed, at the end of the show, Clarice looks ready to spill all to her.

Zoe is pretty much MIA this episode, just appearing in the recap to complain once again that Lacy let her down. (Too bad Lacy didn’t get blown up in the opening. They could have printed on her tombstone. “Are you happy, Zoe? Now I’m as dead as if I hadn’t let you down.”) And just some old flashes of her when Daniel uncrates the body of the O-87. I miss her.

During the entire episode, the time is stamped at the bottom of the opening of lots of scenes. Obviously, they were working up toward a big event close to the end of the episode. And sure enough, at the end of the episode – nothing happens. Hmmm. Perhaps, they thought this was 24, except 24 uses the seconds as well, and they’re a lot faster paced. This episode was a letdown in more ways than one. I’ll just give it 5 pointless time stamps.

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by brimfin » Also, she’s in a real cabin somewhere, not in some virtual world cabin because she’s limping around there too - not to mention she sees Clarice wearing her halobands there.

Sure. Ordinary Capricans have "holobands," but since Clarice is a woman of the cloth and speaks in the name of the One True God, she has "halobands."

Moments later, she points that out to the crew just as they are about to set off the bombs. That actually would have been a great beginning – they push the button and blow up their own car. Hilarious. Instead they dump the bomb and then still fail to push the button thus leaving evidence behind.

Yeah, very funny, except we're not done with Lacy yet. And personally I'm glad. But I would've loved to see Lacy cause the death of all her comrades, and have their avatars come and accuse her of letting them down.

They could have printed on her tombstone. “Are you happy, Zoe? Now I’m as dead as if I hadn’t let you down.”)

Hilarious, but Zoe wouldn't fail to point out it was all Lacy's fault, and she ultimately let herself down.

During the entire episode, the time is stamped at the bottom of the opening of lots of scenes. Obviously, they were working up toward a big event close to the end of the episode. And sure enough, at the end of the episode – nothing happens.

Don't blame the show if you're watching a botched pirate copy! I didn't see any time stamps in my video.

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During the entire episode, the time is stamped at the bottom of the opening of lots of scenes. Obviously, they were working up toward a big event close to the end of the episode. And sure enough, at the end of the episode – nothing happens. (brimfin)
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Don't blame the show if you're watching a botched pirate copy! I didn't see any time stamps in my video. (map)

I beg to differ. I am watching this on NETFLIX, a legitimate service I pay a monthly fee for. The episode opens identifying the spaceport and location and the time 11:30 PM. That's perfectly normal. But after the theme, it shows just the time 12:02 AM. Then the scene in the cabin, about ten minutes in, says 1:18 AM. About twenty minutes in, beginning the scene after Barnabas is blown up, it reads 6:08 AM. And at 23 minutes in, when Daniel rides in his limo 9:15 AM. Usually, in a show, if the time is shown that many times it indicates a lead-up to some big event, or perhaps is trying to emphasize how quickly things are happening, or how time is running out. I saw none of those scenarios indicated here. It just turned out to be excess, unneeded information.

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Of course, your video was not botched or pirate, I was just kidding. I apologize, that was stupid of me. But I understood what you had said very differently. I thought you were talking about some production timecode stating the scene number and the time in minutes, seconds, and milliseconds. Or maybe a countdown made after production put there by Syfy for some other show that would air after Caprica.

I honestly didn't pay attention to the times and subtitles indicating places in the story, and thought they worked only to indicate the action was taking place very late at night, to make the events more shady and crime-related. I never interpreted that a s a countdown, so this is why I had no idea what you were talking about and thought that was a problem with your copy only.

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the use of the timestamps in this episode serves a singular purpose, i think--most of this episode happens late at night (over only two nights, yeah? or maybe three) and most of the characters are not, well, actively bad people. it's a bit heavyhanded, dark business at dark hours, especially with the rain and the thunder... it might have been better served--the visual metaphor--if when the detective was doing his business, the weather had cleared up, given us some sunlight to counter everything else going on. but, no, it was still raining

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Meanwhile Daniel is trying to regain his company by blackmailing the Board. Lucky for him, the Board appears to house one sleazy bunch of characters, including a call girl and a guy who’s not only a recovering drug addict but also “hurts young girls.” When this character tells Daniel, “you’re a disgrace,” I was waiting for Daniel to reply, “You hurt young girls, and I’m a disgrace.” There was also some guy who was squeaky-clean, except that he’d been committing adultery for the last six years and was dumb enough to tell Daniel about it at a retreat. Come to think of it, Daniel really is a disgrace. Later, the girl-hurter kills himself and his widow yells at Daniel that she knows he’s involved somehow but Daniel just drives on past her. A lot of time wasted on something that could have been handled with one explanatory conversation.

I took that scene as being indicative of what it's doing to his soul. He's falling into the deep end. This is the guy who accidentally broke his hand helping someone with a baby across the street, in the pouring rain, just before the meeting which led to Graystone Industries.

It's not about the events, it's the people involved.

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.

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It was nice to see the show back on track. OK, there are and there will be some issues relating to the same issues that have often been brought up, but like with any show, some things are proper to its DNA, and either we get past them or we'll be stuck in them. And with all the "retribution" going on, I thought we had a lot of excitement for these 43 minutes.

Daniel Graystone is doing nice playing the Godfather game as an amateur gangster. He certainly has the flair for the suave villain of the "So, we meet again, Mr. Bond" (while stroking a cat) style. "You managed to rebuild your life and, as a friend, I respect that, but..." Classic Graystone! And the way he left that crying widow in the street was cruel, but, let's face it, characters that cry and weep are not pleasant at all. The last thing we'd want was a prolongued scene with her.

Clarice Willow, on the other hand, went on a killing spree, later shedding crocodile tears for her dearly departed students. She's a forgiving woman of high virtues, but nobody escapes the One True God's wrath! That's what I call tough, but fair. (ha, ha) I've seen so much rationalization from Daniel and Clarice, I'm actually starting to think they believe their own lies.

Lacy Rand, the ambivalent terrorist. Listen lacy, if you're going to set out to do something, you should frakking do it right! But getting caught and even taking the bomb with you to the car was beyond stupid. And you were doing so well, cutting your own hand during the STO oath. But the young terrorist cell members were no Mensa members either. I mean, having a bath with a TV connected to the electricity and in a position whrere it can easily be dropped into the water with a simple nudge was just asking for it. Sister Clarice did the guy a favor. Yeah, I'm tough but fair too.

Amanda Graystone has the greatest problem of being conflicted and tortured. To her, everything is source of grief and self-torture. And that's annoying. But there's a silver lining: it seems Agent Durham, our intrepid officer of the law, and last honest man on Caprica, seems to have convinced Amanda to spy on Clarice, and that may just as well redeem Ms. Graystone from her annoying and whiny ways. If that happens, it'll have been worth to have her escape the death we were all hoping she would have.

Agent Jordan Durham, we learn, is a dedicated polytheist, so apparently he has a personal agenda, but more in terms of convictions than self-interest. The show is greatly about religious extremism, but so far he's following the law, just being hard on those whose religion (and terrorist ways) he doesn't approve. And the good thing is that Durham is a plot mover, and, if he has his way, his actions will make the plot move forward, which is what we all want.


Now I've been thinking of what has been said about the characters, that perhaps there are no redeemable characters in this show. I mostly agree with that, except for Agent Durham, and, I'm forced to admit, Amanda, whose only crime has been to be annoying and whiny, not exactly a deadly sin. Corruption is everywhere. But all these irredeemable characters precisely convey the point that the Caprican society, and by extension, that of the other 11 worlds, was decadent, and that would greatly explain the Fall that would occur some 65 years later.

We all know how this is going to end, right? I mean, even before starting to watch Caprica (the show), anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge of the Battlestar Galactica universe would know the result would be ultimate destruction, so it would be absurd and even undesirable to see a show about rainbows and ponies. But perhaps the surprise (at least to me, in part) was that the final holocaust was not necessarily caused by the attack of an outside force. Instead, The 12 colonies had fostered the seeds of its own destruction.


All in all, I'm happy with this episode in spite of the lack of Zoe. We've spent far too much time in V-World, and this episode took place almost entirely in the real world.

Anyway, I hope to see more gangster shenanigans, especially because that means the show can focus on what the writers know best, which is the corruption, Daniel's machinations with the Taurons, and the religious issues. And, in turn the show will drop all that pseudo-technology waste of time of "analog/digital" nonsense and the whole "chip doesn't work, put avatar on chip and chip sort of works, remove avatar from chip and now, tadaa, chip works well enough to be copied" mess. Let's just forge that part.

This episode gets 8 board members who live in glass houses.

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Finally the show is starting to lighten up some....haha. another dark and dastardly show. I am starting to have revelations about why I don't like this show while liking other dark shows like the walking dead, a bit of self analysis as it were. Caprica has almost zero moments where you have any feel good emotion at all, it's just dark from start to finish every minute of the episode. Th Walking Dead is very dark and violent but there are feel good moments for the entire cast and moments of hope against this bleak world, you feel there could be some happiness in there somewhere however so slight. You Have none of that in Caprica nor do have any hope of that. What is there end game in Caprica? That is to say, what is the goal that is going to make Daniel Happy? The same for clarice or any of them. Even their goals seem bleak what ever they are. Personally I blame Lacy for all this. If only Lacy could do SOMETHING right then all would be better.

I actually liked Amanda in this episode...mark it down, I can't believe it myself. She is catching on to clarice and anything that can help dispatch her is OK in my book.

The whole storyline with Daniel and the mob just feels to forced to me, even the Thunder clap while blackmailing board members felt forced and cheesy. I will say this though, the guy who plays Sam does a wonderful job of being a heavy, I have grown to like the way he plays the character....

All in all another dark bleak show but the pace was a little faster and the story did budge forward at glacial pace. I'll give it 6 forced thunder claps on the caprica scale

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by charmedwon666 » what is the goal that is going to make Daniel Happy? The same for clarice or any of them.

I'd say 1) one Cylon in every home, absolute control over his company (with no Taurons) and his wife back (I just wonder if he'll see the real consequences of his dream come true), and 2) to have the 12 colonies worshiping the One True God with her at close second. Come to think of it, why not take One True God out of the equation?

Th Walking Dead is very dark and violent but there are feel good moments for the entire cast and moments of hope against this bleak world

I think The Walking Dead is total fun as I don't take death by Zombies serious. But I admire the work the writers did in trying to make such an unreal situation somehow plausible. On the other hand, Game of Thrones is the ultimate abuser. It raises your hopes, just to have them irremediably crushed: all the decent guys are dead, or in prison, or disgraced, or all of the above!

I will say this though, the guy who plays Sam does a wonderful job of being a heavy, I have grown to like the way he plays the character....

Sasha Roiz is doing a great job in Grimm as Captain Renard. He started as a shady character, and now is a fan favorite.

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I agree with charmed (!). The problem I'm having is not only the slow pace, but that there's no one to like here. I think I've mentioned this before, but it's becoming more of an issue each week. No matter what anyone does, I just don't want them to succeed, so everything becomes a letdown. Barnabas is killed,and that's good, but that benefits Clarice and that's bad. It's like watching a brawl between the Nazis and the KKK; I don't want either one to win, just let them beat the hell out of each other.

The absence of Zoe is not a good sign. Have they forgotten all about the Cylons? I'm sure they'll get back to it eventually. At least I hope. If I'd watched this in the original run, I probably wouldn't have come back after the break. But if I did, I'd certainly quit now. Sorry I nominated this one. I'm essentially in countdown mode again.

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by dtmuller » Sorry I nominated this one. I'm essentially in countdown mode again.

Oh, well, it looks like I'm the only one having fun. Sorry for you guys. Maybe you get luckier next time. By the way, why did you nominate this show then?.

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madp: By the way, why did you nominate this show then?.
I had never seen it, but had read a bit about it. It seemed like it would be interesting, and it could have been. The production values are outstanding and the cast is very good, but the writing is just lacking focus.

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by madp: why did you nominate this show then?.

I had problems with this show almost immediately when I started watching the pilot. But when we were voting, I thought it might interesting, I was very suspicious of Odesy 5 but when all was said and done I was sorry we were left hanging. i thought this show could have a similar effect on me, unfortunately it didn't but like we have said a million times, one season shows are a gamble no matter what is selected.

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Perhaps it's the benefit of having seen Battlestar Galactica, but I always thought Joseph Adama was a good person to root for.

True, he's part of the mob and pays off judges, but he never seemed really into the whole deal. He's an unmade man, for one, which in our society means he hasn't participated in a contract killing (unlike Sam). His brother, on the other hand, really seems to get a kick out of it.

With Joseph, it seemed like he just had nowhere else to go, just paying off his debt to the Ha'la'Tha for law school. He did have that moment of weakness about killing Amanda, but to his credit he backed down from that. He also hesitated in the pilot regarding the Ha'La'Tha leaning on that minister. He's all about family - his obsession with Tamara nearly cost him Willie, but that's not really something I can damn him for.

Now, I have heard the argument that punch-clock evil is even worse than enthusiastic evil because of the apathy, but I think Joseph is just biding his time, treading water, looking for a way out.

Graystone is more... ruthless in his pursuits. He actively facilitated crimes to get what he wanted, now he's blackmailing his coworkers. He deliberately tried to psychologically break his own daughter to get her back and threatened her very existance. He had everything - money, power, his dream job, except family. Joseph is the reverse - all he has is family.

I'd have been willing to bet that when this show was being written - Graystone was supposed to start high and end low, Adama to start low and end high.

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.

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by jakeconhale » Perhaps it's the benefit of having seen Battlestar Galactica, but I always thought Joseph Adama was a good person to root for... I'd have been willing to bet that when this show was being written - Graystone was supposed to start high and end low, Adama to start low and end high.

Interesting points, jakeconhale. They certainly shed a new light over Joseph. I, for one, like complex characters rather than just nice ones. And this show is full of nuances and complexities characterized by its tragic anti-heroes. And, since we haven't seen the whole cycle of each character, it's hard to judge them without knowing where the story is going to take them. This is a show in which we have to wait until the whole tapestry is woven.

I like most of the characters, especially Daniel, Zoe, Joseph, and Sam. And the jury is still out on Amanda and Lacy. I look forward to what they are going to accomplish and where their actions will take them. I've actively hated Amanda because I don't like whiny wives, an element so common in TV fiction these days, but it looks like she's starting a new cycle now, as she's on to Clarice.

But if you like cleaner heroes in the more traditional sense, there's always Agent Jordan Durham. His crusade against the STO in general, and Sister Clarice in particular seems to be legitimate, and the only drawback is that since there are many characters to share the screen time with, and Durham is not one of the main ones, he disappears for long periods and resurfaces again. Perhaps if the show had focused on him more, and with a more famous and better looking actor, the show would've gained more popularity.

But then again, this is all a moot point, since in 68 years this little ball in the sky known as Caprica is going to end in cinders anyway, so, really, wanting a "good guys win" focus seems out of place. This is a show in which a society descends into destruction and oblivion, with just one silver lining for humanity, Joseph's son.

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jakeconhale: True, he's part of the mob and pays off judges, but...
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

jakeconhale: I'd have been willing to bet that when this show was being written - Graystone was supposed to start high and end low, Adama to start low and end high.
I can see that; you may very well be right.

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K, so maybe it was more BSG in that I have reason to think there's some actual good in him and as such am less likely to dismiss his character because it's not immediately apparent.

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.

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Clarice doing a hit is like a cat with a mouse: "I forgive you." ... VZVZVZVZT!!

For a detective, even a high-ranking one, in a cash strapped department, Detective (Bull) Durham sure does drive an expensive-looking car. And yet he still can't get to the local Family Cubit General store for a new cheap umbrella like the ones I used to be bad about leaving on busses.

He is, however, fixated on Clarice with the certainty of a man who knows he's right even when the rest of his department is wrong. And in this case we know that he is. Clarice is dirty and he's dead set on proving it. Let's hope he pulls it off.

One good thing is that Clarice did get Barnabus. The only guy against whom I would actually root for her and now she's gotten him. Now to just root for Durham to get her.

I liked that the storm reminded Sam of Tauron. Nice touch.

Finally, Amanda is seeing the dark side of Clarice. Fascinating that she was about to kill her personally until Clarice remarked about being able to talk to her. Nice decision to go along and betray her to Durham instead. I really liked that.

I give this one 8 hands coming back out and leaving the loaded pistol in the purse.

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I'd've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

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This Friday on “Caprica” ep 11: “Retribution”

This episode was a little hard to watch the word depressing sticks in my mind. Everybody's out to get each other whether it’s Daniel destroying lives in order to gain control of his company. Sister Willow murdering members of STO. Not sure why Lacy was spared she must have plans for her. The Adama’s who amongst them can you like none I can think of. Not sure I like any of the characters maybe Jordan the cop but who know what lurks in his past. At least they were able to recover iZoe robot so Daniel can restore her back to normal operations. No Tamera or Zoe this week. Giving this one a four…

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