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Ron DID get AIDS from a Woman


I noticed a lot of denial from prior posts concerning {mainly from males} the fact that they do not think Ron contracted Aids from a female. I know first hand this is possible and I will get to that in a minute. Ron was a decent looking man with a good job but he had horrible taste in women! He had sex with only skank scum strippers and dirty hookers, the bottom of the barrel to be sure, and its common knowledge that these kind of women, a fair amount are drug addicts and in the flashback the track marks were very visable on the woman's arm he was having sex with. He scraped the bottom of the barrel with these stripper/hookers who have sex with hundreds of their "customers" a week and every disease they had he was exposed too, another words these women in those professions I mentioned above had high exposure rates, and many strippers also prostitute so every man they "serviced" its like Ron was exposed to all their diseases. A very scary situation.

Several years ago my husband worked with a young man, he was twenty-one years old, he was straight, but he slept around a lot with these dancers in strip bars and some hooked on the side. He died a horrible death, he was the youngest guy who worked at the place, and my husband and five other co-workers visited him in the hospital, he actually broke down in tears when he came home, and my husband is not the crying emotional type normally, he kept saying "he's so young, he is so young to die!" I knew him too, it was heartbreaking and sad, he contracted from a women and his death was very long and painful, its sad when anyone of course dies from this dreadful disease but when such a young man in his prime does, its terrible. He even thought oral sex was safe at times but open sores in the mouth can expose you to the virus and you just do not know it! Such a waste.

Yes I agree its a little less common for a male to get it from a female but the risk is still high and sleeping with dirty diseased women is not a smart thing to do. That being said, I thought Ron was a tough stand-up man who fought hard for his life and others, it was a brilliant movie, and Jarod Leto was outstanding as Matthew was. Its funny but the only time Ron looked happy was when he was in the restaurant with the Doctor, that is what he wanted, a classy, educated, pretty, clean, decent smart woman, like the doctor, most men would, instead of the prostitute/strippers he frequented, he looked SO happy to be a clean nice woman, its too bad he did not find one. Great movie, and acting and a real eye-opener. Very realistic. May Ron sleep with the angels now up above and in peace!

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Maybe the film purposely left things ambiguous because in the first sex scene, I thought he was having sex with a man and a woman. I'm also not certain he was having sex with a woman in the flashback scene.

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The first time I watched it I was not sure either it was dark and it went so fast, but after watching it two more times and reading other posters comments it WAS TWO women he was with, one a long haired blonde and one a long haired brunette. It was definately two women, my sister even paused it on her machine and said you could clearly see it was two women, not very attractive women but women. I was just surprised he could have sex with both of them at the same time, but he did have a high sex drive so I am sure he satisfied them both. It was two women and in the credits it lists both their names as actresses. He was with two women in the bull riding stand I saw it plainly now.

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Yes two women.

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Does anyone agree with my opinion? Certainly the type of woman and lifestyle most likely attributed to infection. That being said I SO admired him for his fight and determination to live and help others, sometimes it's just red hot anger that keeps you going, he was a fighter and a good man I believe!!

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Absolutely agree. I'm a medical professional and I'm shocked by the ignorance of thinking that a man can't get it from a woman.





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Clean women can do heroin just as easily as prostitutes. I think your view of women that are in a lower class is taking a beating here---they are showing the kind of women that associated themselves in that type of life at the time. How is it those women are 'dirty' but the man is not? Unprotected sex leads to STDs. That's the low down. If heterosexual men/women are sleeping with multiple partners, you will have a higher risk of transmitting diseases. That goes for crabs, herpes, the clap, genital warts...the list goes on. And a doctor can easily be an IV drug user--just know how to hide the track marks better.

My point is, AIDs finally made a point to people who were still living in the 'free love' era. Sleeping around with people you don't know, will transmit disease. Using condoms will reduce that risk, as well as prevent unwanted pregnancy. It's about biology if we want to get specific--not good girl/bad girl.

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The movie was marketed as a true story and it's classified as a "biography" but it's neither. Your comments concerning "Ron" speak only to the film character and not the actual person the movie was supposed to be about. As I've stated in reply to you in another thread of same topic, my stance is not taken from anything learned about the real Ron from Wikipedia or any other internet source, but from actual association with him and other members of the real DBC.
I'm not arguing with you about the transmission of the virus, it's non-discriminating, but there are other ways for you to get your message across than to project more onto this movie than should be credited.
Reading over what you've written about it, I wonder if you're aware that both Dr. Eve and Rayon were completely fictitious characters. The film essentially had only three main characters, two of which came entirely from the writers' imaginations and the other was a complete distortion. None of what transpired between them ever happened in real life. The real Ron Woodroof was neither a bull-rider, nor a womanizing, misogynistic, homophobe.

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I am not sure why you are trying to convince people of this as though it is a myth that men can contract HIV from women. It's not a myth, it's a fact! A scientific fact. There have even been cases of psychotic women who purposely spread around the virus to men over some vindictive agenda and have been convicted of attempted/murder. Only the very, very naive and ignorant does not think men can contract HIV from a woman. Ever hear of Magic Johnson? Eric "Eazy-E" Wright? These guys were not intravenous drug users or gay.

If you are going by what happens in the film it is because people knew very little of the disease back then. Since a very high percentage of HIV positive were homosexual males due to their tendency to live promiscuous lifestyles because of society rejecting them and pretty much forcing them to seek sex in this manner then people ran with the idea that it was a "gay" disease. Especially the Bible thumper type who decided this was a perfect opportunity to see their BS about fire and brimstone and you should repent your immoral lifestyle before this happens to you. Fkn azzholes.







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Not sure if your post is in reply to mine. I assure you that it's not my intent "to convince people that its a myth that men can't contract HIV from women". I'm not sure how you've even arrived at that from what I've been saying.
I'm not "going by what happens in the film"....I lived it. I lived (and still do) in the same area of Dallas as this was supposed to be about. I knew the real Ron Woodroof and some of the members of the real DBC. I'm not trying to push the agenda that hiv can only be passed via male-to-male sexual contact; however, I am pushing for the truth about Ron, the real story behind all of the "buyers clubs" (not just the one here in Dallas). Ron wasn't entirely heterosexual and wholely none of the other things he was portrayed as in the film, other than being a Texan. The fact of the matter is that he probably (with almost 99.9% accuracy) contracted the virus via male-to-male sexual contact. Why is that not OK with people after almost 30 years? That in no way negates the fact that hiv can be passed via heterosexual contact as well.
What my ire is all about is the disrespect for truth, period. The disrespect to a man's character, the real Ron. The film-makers hijacked history in portraying him in the way that they did and by telling the fictitious story that they have. DBC has little to do with the facts and the struggles of those who suffered through that time and it takes away from the real hero's (Ron included) who took it upon themselves to do what they thought was necessary.
If anyone still believes that AIDS is a "gay disease" after this much time, with all the resources available to them today, it's a lost cause. Why worry about them? They are fools, unworthy of your further concern.
Telling the real story would have been far more compelling and worthy of its place in cinematic history than the one DBC presents.

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Hi truetexian.

If I hit reply on your post I apologize. I meant to reply to the OP. My bad.My post makes more sense in that context.





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I still believe Ron contracted AIDS from a woman. You saw in the movie how his "good devoted friends" turned on him the moment he was diagnosed, and the false gossip and rumors started. These red neck buddies of his ran around with the same kind of females Ron did, dirty diseased druggie strippers and hookers so they did not want to admit perhaps they themselves were at high risk from these low class women. also, they were scared they might be infected too, deep in denial and rotten friends. Unless you actually SAW and witnessed Ron with a male it should not be said, more gossip and slander, men did not want to face their fear because they could have aids, Any woman can carry the virus but these dirty unattractive strippers and hookers are the Most high risk of all, they have sex with many many men and most are drug users, very high risk of all women. But this was in the 1980's nobody knew, today men have hopefully wised up, staying clear OF strippers/hookers, if they are not stupid and have a brain cell, because of their very high risk activities. I do not believe Ron was gay, but people wished he were so they could justify their reckless behavior! It's a virus and it can go man- woman or woman-man. That's just the truthful reality of it!

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As I've pointed out to you before, this was a fictionalized story. There were only three principal characters, two of which were completely made-up from the writer's imaginations. Neither Dr. Eve Saks nor Rayon were actual people who ever lived here in Dallas or anywhere else. The Ron you saw on the screen wasn't at all the man he was in real life. To portray him otherwise is what's slanderous.

I did see "in the movie how his 'good devoted friends' turned on him...", but why are you insisting on believing in that and that Ron wasn't gay/bi or what-have-you (and more importantly why does that matter to you so much)? What I've been saying isn't slander. I was acquainted with Ron and had seen him being romantically "chummy" with a man who was later introduced to me as his partner.

It's obvious that you wish to get the message out that having sex with prostitutes and drug-users is filthy and disgusting. My only one is for the defense of truth and accuracy within a movie promoted as a biography. DBC is disrespectful to history, to everyone involved in the early fight of the virus, and to the man himself. It's clear to me that no one is going to convince you that the people who you saw on screen never existed in real life. That's a strong testament to the power of film and only strengthens my aggravation with Borten and Wallack for being so irresponsible.
Your last sentence seems to suggest that you've failed to realize that I haven't been disputing the fact that the "virus can go man-woman or woman-man". That IS the "truthful reality of it" for sure.

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I apologize truetexian for my post and if I was harsh or disbelieving. Whenever this movie was advertised, and it was a lot, it was promoted as "true-life events' or "based on a TRUE story" or "The real life story of Ron W" etc... I think you get my drift. It seems through that is not the case, as you say, there was NO Rayon or Dr. Saks and perhaps Ron did have a bi-sexual experience, because you say you knew him and knew of a "partner". I did not mean to say "slander" that was probably uncalled for and I am sorry. In my defense however the movie really played up his hatred for gays, and in a lot of scenes he was with prostitutes or strippers, very low-class women it seemed, and they played that up a lot, it is true hookers and strippers probably carry the virus way more than a average clean decent woman, but we all know that to be true, the movie really "hammered" that into your mind it seemed. This should not have been promoted as "true life" it seems, I know hollywood always distorts to a degree, but this is quite a bit!!

So please forgive me if I offended and insulted you or anyone, that was never my intent, and you may be correct. I guess we will never really know HOW Ron contracted the virus, either from a male or female? I guess its not even important, he fought the good fight to live and helped others, which I hope at least THAT part is true. Good movie, great history of beginning of AIDS just it seems there was some fiction in that movie, OR things not revealed. I understand now and I am sorry again. It was a great movie through, I guess we can all agree on that! The acting was amazing, Matthew was awesome and Jarod Leno amazing to pull off the part of Rayon, you kept forgetting it was Jarod Leno! Good movie to enjoy! Thanks.

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You seem to have a serious hard on for strippers & "dirty" women that are promiscuous. Statements like that make ppl believe that clean looking upstanding women (men) don't engage in high risk behaviors or carry diseases. Of course, prostitutes & intravenous drug users are at higher risks for contracting sti's. But so is the faithful woman that has unprotected sex with her cheating husband or bf. So are elderly ppl who are way more sexually active then younger ppl suspect & often don't use condoms. So are teens & young adults who take greater risks in life.

It's Eleven o'clock, who are you looking to hook up with, Spike and Drusilla?

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@debih200

The truth is, anybody can get AIDS from anybody else---just because someone looks clean dosen't mean that they are STD or AIDS-free. In other words, it's not just strippers and prostitutes (of both sexes) whom anyone can catch AIDS from---you can get it from anybody now,and that's been the case for at least 25 years now. Why you keep harping on strippers and prostitutes as if they're the only source you can get it from, is ridiculous.

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you're NOT seriously giving as examples a rapper and a sports figure as "not being gay".....surely you are JOKING.

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A quick google pulled up this one but I have heard of stories long before this one:




http://www.inquisitr.com/1338443/prostitute-with-aids-charged-with-kno wingly-spreading-hiv/









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I'm interjecting into this discussion midpoint, so I apologize if I've misconstrued anything. And I haven't read the article you're referring to that the prior poster suggested. But I am one of the ones you've referenced as having known Ron and knew him to be neither a homophobe nor a heterosexual. I can't speak with certainty to any of the other assertions though.
I didn't like the movie for numerous reasons, technical and otherwise. But mainly because it wasn't true to reality. It was a poorly developed, executed, and disrespectful greedy grab for fame and fortune.

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This is exactly why I can't respect these filmmakers for what they've done. Keep in mind that they marketed their film as "inspired by true events" yet based their characterization of Ron and the entire scope of events in his life on an article written by Bill Minutaglio for The Dallas Morning News.

Perhaps a filmmaker does have the right to fictionalize, but I'm not a fan of such endeavors and think things of this nature are better left to documentaries... especially on topics of great historical and sociopolitical significance like the stories of the various "buyers clubs" during the initial years of the AIDS plague.

The Dallas Buyers Club had only ONE character within it's script who had actually ever taken a breath in real life. The only other two main characters, Dr. Saks and Rayon, were completely fictionalized characters. Again keep in mind that this is supposed to be a film based on true events. If, within a movie based on true events, only ONE character actually ever lived but was COMPLETELY mis-characterized and the rest of the entire cast never actually lived, how can ANY of what transpired within the film claim to be inspired by true events? And why should it be heralded as something special? And how could something so inauthentic expect not to be the target of various special interest groups?

I suspect why some "people are getting very upset..." is that they continue to fear the stigma of AIDS. It is not just a "gay" disease, especially throughout other parts of the world. But it is also true that the real Ron Woodruff was not heterosexual. And I simply don't understand how portraying him as something he wasn't is beneficial to the de-stigmatization of AIDS. People would be better served to focus their concerns elsewhere and not on such a disrespectful project as The Dallas Buyers Club.

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@truetexian


I read somewhere online that Woodroof (the real person you knew) was in fact, bisexual. After seeing the movie (which I really liked) and not having found that out until afterwards, I think the film definitely would have been way more interesting had he been portrayed as the person you knew him to be. Like someone else suggested, the filmmakers didn't want to ruin McConaughey's macho image for the character---a real opportunity was wasted---still a good film,though.

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Nice try, but if you read the article, the woman in question was arrested for having sex with clients even though she knew she had AIDS. Note there is zero suggestion or evidence that any of her partners actually contracted HIV as a result of this activity.

"You didn't come into this life just to sit around on a dugout bench, did ya?"

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And you know this for a fact because you were with Ron during every single sexual encounter he had, and tested each one of his partners with some sort of instant HIV test that you, yourself invented back in the early 80s, right?

You can't know the unknowable. Chances are he got it from some woman, but it's impossible to know that to a certainty.

Unless you have absolute proof of the exact moment he contracted it and with who, you plain don't know, and you don't.

What a ridiculous statement.

My mother "knows" Jesus walked on water, too.



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Thank you for sharing that story.

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I think no one can say he had homosexual encounters with certainty, according to Wiki he was married several times and was very homophobic and though some friends claimed he was gay there is no actual proof, therefore the portrayal of the character was rather accurate and only idiots believe HIV and AIDS is only contractable through homosexual encounters

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For the record: Marriage is not a foolproof way to determine if one is heterosexual. Some married men have sexual encounters with other men outside of their marriage.




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Why didn't his friends get it too? They were having sex with diseased hookers and drug taking too. Everyone in that movie were grotty except for jennifer garner.

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