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Unlikable character, brilliant movie


I've seen so many people saying they don't like this movie because main character is selfish, arrogant and naive and all other negative things. I don't find those things capable of ruining a movie, at least the character and the movie are interesting. Great story, brilliant acting, very nice landscape and music. 8,5/10

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It was a young guy trying to find himself or discover something about himself and the world. That does not make him unlikeable.

Its that man again!!

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I agree. Maybe the OP finds what the character did unlikable because he sees same thing in the character that he sees in himself.

I think the film is very good and the character was not meant to be likable nor unlikable. He just was what he was. And the title Into the Wild, was just what he did by going against what society told him to do. Anyone who goes against society's rules, pretty much goes "Into the Wild".

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Good post. True.

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Agreed. I didn't like the guy at all, but the movie was excellent.

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What was unlikeable about him? I mean, as far as the film depicted him? The guy was 22, idealistic, well-intentioned, open-minded, honest and gutsy as hell, I don't see what's not to like? Yes so granted, naive, but come on, who wasn't at that age? I for one wouldn't have had the balls to do anything remotely as visionary as that when I was 22. I was too busy thinking how better I could fit into society! The exact thing that he vehemently loathed and bravely rejected. I didn't know the guy, but I take my hat off to anyone who has the courage to take a different path in this life. To be told you can't do something and then do it anyway, all guns blazing. I would like to have met him.

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Haha, Wow. Well said... Now that you put it like that I can see your point.

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Seriously.... Let's hate on a tragic life? You can slap each other on the backs but that will not make either of you more intelligent. You do know this was a Hollywood movie right? You are making harsh statements about a real person who you do not know. Inform yourself on him if you care to know the truth. His life was a lot more than the time it took for you to watch the movie. If you want to judge someone look in the mirror.

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Jack, I hope you will research him. The movie did not include so much about his life that would explain why he thought and behaved as he did. He was a victim of child abuse. His parents were very cruel and would fight and make their children witness these daily fights, he suffered so much from them. Have you ever hear of post traumatic stress syndrome? That is the least of what he had. He was a very damaged person.

The way you worded your post you act like you understand him and knew him. Clearly you don't understand and you did not know him.

You said he was typical... seriously did you even watch the movie. There was nothing typical about him. The stereotype you put him under (stereo types are hateful and wrong, it is like saying a person who is Jewish is cheap... or any other hateful stereo type) does not fit. Chis was very unique how he lived was not at all typical. Chris spent years and years regarding his parents feelings and his families. Seriously many abused children run away at 16 or younger and never look back.

Jack everyone suffers the consequences for decisions they make. I wish people would be less hateful and stop the obsessive need to judge other people.

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He was a flake. Flakes are tiresome. They're naive as hell but think they know it all, and they expect the world to live up to their unrealistic, unattainable standards. They may seem "romantic" or something to people who aren't acquainted with any of them, but if you ever have to put up with them in real life, believe me, it gets old fast. You get seriously tired of listening to their "dreams" and lost causes. This guy was such a flake that he died from it. What's to like about that?

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Great post. I totally agree.

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People who actually knew Chris liked him. Everyone in life has someone that does not like them, that is just how life is. But if you investigate him, read books, watch the films, do research you will find that he was abused by his parents who were cruel to each other and made their kids watch them fight. No child should grow up being forced to be a witness to this. He suffered a lot from his parents. My thought is if you were to ever have known him you would have a different opinion.

This movie was about Chris so I find it hard to understand how you can dislike him and still like the movie. He had a lot of courage and he was suffering.

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Yeah, everyone has their own opinions so they might not like a movie with a main character that is unlikeable, but there's been lots of great movies with unlikeable main characters.

Film critics say Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever. I strongly disagree, but regardless, is Kane/Hearst a likeable character? Godfather 2, *insert random Martin Scorsese film*, A Clockwork Orange, Sherlock Holmes, House, etc....? Not exactly movies or shows with likeable main characters.

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Well, characters are what make a good movie. I felt like his whole journey was stupid, and didn't feel anything towards the guy at all, so that made the movie really boring to me.

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Way too long a movie. I thought it was boring, but then I'm over 40 and a parent, so I'm biased. Every generation needs its Kerouac, so this is the one for the millennial set. I did feel there were too many Jesus-y sentiments there. Mind you, the script was written through the eyes of his grieving, self-flaggelating family in a quest to understand him and to repent their sins of less than perfect parenting. But it's definitely a broad and rich canvas for different people to relate to different things - and to reject different things. I do think he was arrogant not to prepare to retreat from there. I guess He went in thinking that he won't want to come back, had no doubts in his "truthiness". He didn't ask what's the best way to return if he rethinks his whole philosophy - and eventually, that's what killed him. I watched this back to back with Wild, so I liked that she had an exit plan for her purgatory mission. One thing to be said - America is one stunning land...

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I do think he was arrogant not to prepare to retreat from there. I guess He went in thinking that he won't want to come back, had no doubts in his "truthiness". He didn't ask what's the best way to return if he rethinks his whole philosophy - and eventually, that's what killed him.


The movie presents an inaccurate picture of this. I'm not sure why Sean Penn decided to present his protagonist as much more naive, unprepared, and, well, stupid than he actually was, nor why he chose to leave out important parts of the story and invent others (such as the phony "seduction" scene, which never happened and which the real "Tracy" found offensive).

In fact, Chris had several possible exit routes, which he knew about from (a) having explored the area thoroughly for a month before settling in the bus, and (b) having a detailed map of the area, which was found in the bus along with his other possessions (including ID and money) after his death. He knew of the park service road downstream, which had a bridge over the river that, as it turned out, was too high for him to cross in late July at the point where he entered. He also had the option of going upstream to where the river is very shallow and braided, and he could have forded it there. However, he did not. And why not?

We don't have the complete answer to this, but we know, from his own account, that he was injured. Penn leaves out the fact that Chris left a note on the bus saying he was injured and couldn't walk out and "for God's sake, will someone please stay and save me." What injury? We don't know. No broken bones, obviously, because those would have shown up on autopsy. But a soft-tissue injury, such as a torn ligament, serious sprain or dislocation, would not have been detectable weeks after his death, but would have explained why he couldn't walk out. The ground is boggy and very uneven, which would present few challenges to an able-bodied young man, but with a sprained ankle or torn cruciate, he might not have been able to manage the trek to the road. It was about a day's hike, but rough terrain.

Chris had never intended to stay in the "wild" (the movie implies this, but it is untrue). He intended his journey to be a kind of spiritual retreat, similar to the Australian "walkabout," where he would challenge himself, commune with nature/God, and return invigorated. He was definite in his return plans, and had told Wayne to expect him back at the end of August (he had promised to help with the harvest).

He also had a great deal of solo wilderness camping experience, going back to his teen years. A fatal missing element was knowledge of the Alaskan bush and the specific skills needed there. He had experience camping alone for weeks in the desert, in various mountain areas of the conterminous USA, but none of the subarctic regions. Unfortunately, his "Magic Bus" was probably his downfall. Had he done as he planned -- camped in his makeshift tent and sleeping bag -- he would have been impelled to keep moving (by bugs, by bad weather) and would not have become too comfortable in the "Wild," and would have not waited until he was too weak/injured to make it out.

Bad luck was a big factor (poisonous plants had nothing to do with it). Also, although his aspirations and journey seem very anomalous today, he was quite typical of a large number of young Americans of his time (early 90's). Many were doing similar itinerant tramping about, sometimes within the USA, often abroad. Most returned from their exploits unharmed and settled down to a normal life. Chris did not, but his risk-taking, while it had tragic consequences, was not at all unusual for his time. Overestimation of one's capabilities is also not unusual for young people of that age, especially males. Their frontal lobes, that enable decision making, planning, and impulse control, are not fully developed until their mid-20's. That's one reason young men make the "best" soldiers in war (from the military leaders' point of view).

I like the film, but I don't like the fact that in attempting to "romanticize" Chris (I suppose) it actually demeans him by changing important elements of his story and character.

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Great post! Thanks for the details.

I liked the film. I saw his character as tragically flawed. That doesn't mean I disliked him.

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Agree - some of the stuff he was coming out with was ridiculously pretentious at times. Fortunately this didn't capsize the film, but it's still a long way from being a classic (in my opinion).

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Sometimes he came of as pretentious. But I think at the end of the day he just wanted to find himself and his place in the world, as most of us had those thoughts in that age.
Whether that's unlike-able or not I don't know. It was part of Hirsch brilliant acting despite coming off as selfish, pretentious and naive at times we still cared for him and wanted him to accomplish his mission.
I felt his portrayal was very inspiring.

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Chris was looking for answers, his answers, his life hadn't been what it should have been for him and he wanted to know why. Too many unhappy memories haunted him. He had to exorcise them, then he could move on and make his life his own. And that led him to question everything that he had been taught. One of the steps in becoming his own man, was to test himself, to learn to believe in himself. As he got stronger, he could come to forgive those who had hurt him. I like him.
One of his roommates in college sensed the unhappiness, which drove him to drink to excess. He could have been like millions of others and developed a crutch, drinking to cope with his problems and ghosts.
Chris chose to conquer them. Had he survived Alaska, he would have been a good man and I would have considered myself to number him among my friends.

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So maybe he was a bit pretentious, he still wasn't trying to convince anybody to be like him. He was egotistical in the sense that he risked his life without much care for those he left behind. At the same time it was a rejection of his parents lifestyle and philosophy of life. The journey was his way of growing up and becoming a man. Unfortunately he died before that could happen. Essentially he made his own journey, he suffered and he died, that doesn't make a person unlikeable.

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Jack, you do realize Chis died, right? So Chis is not trying to make it look like anything. You are so wrong. I wish you would stop your uninformed hateful posts. Chis was a victim. (He was seriously abused as a child) He was on his journey because he did not want to be the same type of person that he hated. He wanted to be true to himself. If he had lived none of us would know his story. It is not stupid to have convictions and decide to live life under certain principals millions of people do. His death may have been because of circumstances that were not just poor decision making. There does not seem to be an agreement on weather he died because of his own actions, or because he was injured and could not make his way out. It is wrong to speak with such hate. I do not see people idolizing him. The most that could be said in the positive is that people envied his courage to actually commit to something dangerous and uncertain and to actually follow through with it. Many people are posting very negative things.

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I think you do not realize that Chris was living in hell his whole life at home.
His parents were abusive to him. They would fight and make Chis and his sister watch them fight... that is just part of the abuse.

I notice people enjoy judging and tearing other people down. You did not suffer as he did. I realize he was a very damaged person. His death was tragic and could have been avoided. If he had walked less than a mile down from where he tried to cross the river he would have found a river crossing and he would have lived. He also might have lived if he did not eat something that poisoned him.

I do not see how he was unlikeable. He did have lots of friends. The people he encountered liked him a lot and really had nothing bad to say about him. They mentioned how private he was. He had a good reason to protect his privacy.

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