Todd's fate SPOILER


I know it's a horror film and you can't take things too seriously but letting the dogs go after Todd was a stupid scene. Why would they not talk sense into him, give him a gun and tell him "you shoot her or we kill you" instead of having to worry about headlines about an american business man going missing in eastern europe.

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Since I'm watching the movie right now (again) and was looking for a Todd post...

you are right, but of course Todd needed a gruesome ending. He could've died like his friend or possibly in some other way, so I guess they just take their chances, then again it's only a film, isn't it?

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Good point you bring up about the headline of a missing businessman, but after Todd starts to freak out and leave, one of Elite's henchmen tries to tell him to finish, but Todd unkindly turns him down. As soon as I saw that "Well, it's your funeral" look on the henchman's face, I knew it was gonna be Todd's @$$, so I actually thought that scene was fitting.

If we wanna hear you talk, I will shove my arm up your ass and work your mouth like a puppet!

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And Todd himself knew very well the consequences of backing out. During the tattoo scene he says to Stuart 'you can't just back out'

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He sure did, hence his collapsing to his hands and knees in the elevator. He knew he was in big trouble, even before the elevator doors opened.

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I know I'm late to the party, but I have to say that I felt sorry for Todd at that point. Of course, my feelings are colored by my love for Richard Burgi but although he was the one who instigated the whole trip, he realized the harsh reality of his actions when he accidentally cut her and wanted to back out. In the long run, he was a more decent character than Roger Bart's.

While Burgi is known as a cad from Desperate Housewives and other more recent roles, he played a hero cop as the lead character in the UPN show "The Sentinel" back in the late 90s. I thought he was really good in Todd's final scene and Eli Roth asks him if he's ever had to cry like that on screen before in the DVD commentary.

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The more I think of it, the more I tend to think Todd's breakdown is the strongest scene in the movie.

Todd's breakdown makes an exception to the very unsettling total lack of compassion that all clients and employees of Elite Hunting display. I think this is very clever because it emphasizes the brutality and cruelty of the whole thing better than 10 more minutes of gore could have. He is the only one who shows us how a normal human being would and should react to the kind of violence that happens there. Todd of all people!

I also disagree with the poster before you - he didn't break down out of fear for his own life. That might have been part of it, but judging from the way he told off the guard, he didn't give a damn about what Elite Hunting thought. He broke down over what he had done to Whitney and could never undo. When he's on his hands and knees, he coughs as if he was about to throw up. He just can't deal with what he has done. He's disgusted and appalled.

Todd is very much like a child in some ways. A child who annoys his parents into taking him to that cool rollercoaster, feels all strong and important on the way there and then starts to cry the moment the car starts moving. The way he celebrated when he won the bid, the way he made fun of Whitney crying - very childlike. He only really understood what he was into when it was too late.

Also, the scene where he talks to Stuart about how people who have killed somebody have that menacing air of strength about them that everyone notices but nobody can put their finger on. He's basically saying that he wants to be tough. He wants to get rid of all insecurity, which only makes sense when we assume that there is some inside him. Again that makes me think of a little boy, wanting to be tough, wanting to be a cowboy. And since there is always some debate on gender stereotypes and roles surrounding Hostel, I might add that this would be an important problem men (and by extension, sometimes their victims) have to deal with - the world expects them to be tough.

It's a little regrettable that Todd was disposed of so quickly, although I don't know either how his storyline could have continued. As someone said above, Elite Hunting cannot want businessmen going missing whose friends and relatives have a ton of money and connections they can use looking for them. Worse, Whitney would have died in 20 minutes, and for Beth it was somehow okay to leave the room while the victim was still alive and let him die on his own. They could have allowed Todd the same thing without breaking the contract. So them killing him off like that doesn't seem entirely plausible. But I don't want to nitpick. I just wanted to say that he's probably the most interesting character in the movie, and the breakdown scene was really intense in a brilliant way.

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@Nerdglaze420

I rewatched Hostel: Part II last night and I just came on this board to post in this thread, but there is absolutely no need for it now, because you nailed it! I could not have said it better myself.

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I was fully prepared to nobody ever reading my post, so thanks! ;-)

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Well said,Nerdglaze. I agree. Todd was actually the most compassionate character and the only one to show remorse. I think Richard did a great job in his scenes.

I don't think Whitney would have died in 20 minutes, unless she bled out. What they meant was that she'd only be up for bidding "as is" for the next 20 minutes before they just killed her themselves, I think. What would they do with a cut up girl who wasn't bid on and finished off? Like the Asian girl in the first movie who escaped with Paxton, Jay Hernandez' character, who was able to go on with her severely cut eye, that's how Whitney might have been if they hadn't killed her. Also, it gave them a chance to have Stuart kill Whitney and show off that he had to Beth too. And Beth was allowed to leave because her cutting of Stuart obviously had him bleed to death, his injury being more severe that the cut Todd gave to Whitney.

I did spend some time trying to think of how else they could have dealt with Todd -- they should have had him become a victim since he didn't fulfill his contract by killing Whitney. If they hadn't upped their security after Paxton's escape in the first film, Todd might have made it out of there alive. Too bad.

I read that Richard Burgi is in Eli Roth's new film, The Green Inferno, but this time it looks like he's just playing the father of the main female character so no being eaten by dogs (or in this case, cannibal natives).

Burgi is so kind to his fans -- he once apologized to us for having to say the "c-word" on stage in a play he did in L.A. as he felt he didn't want his fans thinking he talked that way. We told him we understood he was acting.

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I don't think Whitney would have died in 20 minutes, unless she bled out. What they meant was that she'd only be up for bidding "as is" for the next 20 minutes before they just killed her themselves, I think.


Ah, ok, that could be true. I somehow thought in the scene where a guy and that Brigitte Nielsen lady examine Whitney that the guy was a doctor who gave her 20 minutes.

Alternative idea for the Todd plot: They tell him he needs to kill her if he wants to go home. He pulls himself together as good as he can, while being still extremely shaken up, and says he will do it but needs a little break or a glass of water. During that break, he kills himself.

I think I would have preferred something along those lines.

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lol, Nerdglaze420! I responded to your previous post and did not realize that you too would have preferred he committed suicide. That's what I would have expected from him.

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Nerdglaze420,

Very well, said. I just saw the movie today and I thought the same thing regarding why Todd broke down. I also thought the poster was off in thinking it was because he was going to die. Like you said, it was because he could not be that sadistic murderer after all. At the sight of just seeing her bleeding from accidentally cutting her he was falling apart. I bet he would have liked to rewind and never have set foot in that place.

I really enjoyed reading your in depth analysis of Todd's character and comparison to him being like a child. I like when IMDb users like yourself share insightful thoughts about a movie. So...thank you.

What came to my mind when he tried to leave the scene of the crime was "Wow this guy was all bark and no bite." He was so into the idea of torturing and taking a life that he even threw a woman giving him fellatio off of himself so he could answer the call. Unfortunately those dogs that killed him were bark AND bite. IMO even if the canines didn't kill him he would probably have had trouble living with himself and might have committed suicide in the near or distant future.

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I fail to see how Todd ever thought that torturing a woman to death using weapons to do it while she was tied up and handcuffed would make him a tough guy. In reality, it would make him 180 degrees opposite of being a tough guy.

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