sorry for my bad en, cause it's not my native language
anyway
I really confuse after i was watching this movie
you know ,I think it's inequitable punishment & why was she a cruel like that
i just want to say it s too much
what is your opinion ?
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fnvry, she was really hurt. Neil emotionally hurt Abby for months and she just couldn't take it anymore. That is why she did what she did. Did she go to the extreme? Of course she did. But until someone is in that position we really don't know how someone is going to act.
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dump her and take the kid...
any woman who uses a kid to obtain revenge (not mentioning the super extraordinary plot machinations ;-)..doesnt deserve to be a mother...
"MAKE WAY FOR THE BAD GUY...THERE,S A BAD GUY COMING THROUGH"
I agree, Zazza.
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A real mother always checks on her children, even if she's only stepped out of the room for a minute; even if she knows they are fine, she checks. But when they got home after being gone all day and night, she didn't bother. I had the impression all through the movie, even before I figured out she was in on it, that she really didn't care that much about the child, that she may have been jealous of her. She certainly was resentful of her.
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Neil told her to check the downstairs while he went upstairs.
shareShe knew the kid was fine, because the whole thing was a setup. Didn't you watch the end?
The flogging will continue until morale improves.
Rofl... she said she got the *BEST* sitter for her daughter in the end, of course you missed that.
... and how many "real" mothers are there in this world to start with. Might be time to open your world and look around you, it aint that fancy, really. If everything were like in the movies it would been perfect but it isnt. Children are starving, being abused, etc its a horrible world but its still the reality. There are good mothers out there, no talk about it. The problem is theres more "bad" mothers than good, thats the sad part.
I completely agree with Zazza. The woman used her own child in a sadistic game of emotional torture. Whether the child felt or knew she was being used is irrelevant. She was still a major pawn in the game.
What parent would allow their husband to believe his daughter is being killed right now, or worse. It doesn't matter if you don't love him any more, or feel betrayed, etc. There are some lines you just don't cross.
She is completely unfit to be a mother and any court in the land would give him full custody.
I also noticed she didn't go check her child after being away for the entire day, regardless of the quality of babysitter. It's always the first thing I do if I've been away from my 2yr old son for any period of time.
Hell, lady, rip up his clothes, smash his car in with a golf club, anything. But don't let him believe that his daughter is being killed and his wife raped and killed.
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Although taking that course of action may not have been as interesting a movie.
You guys are completely ignoring the fact that he was in a way doing the same thing by cheating on his wife. The daughter didn't know daddy was cheating on mommy. Couldn't this be considered just as bad. The mother knew what she was doing and wasn't insane.
It wasn't like she found out her husband was cheating on her and through her kid off the bridge just to get back at him.
Someone did that here in Portland, Oregon. The woman in the middle of a custody battle and in order to get back at her ex husband she through two of her kids off the one of the Portland bridges. One kid survived while the other kid didn't make it. She was found guilty and I hope she burns in hell. She knew what she was doing and knew it was wrong and knew it was the best way to hurt her ex husband.
I don't feel the same way about the mother in this movie. She really didn't do anything wrong because it really had nothing to do with being a mother that she did. Sorry, I don't feel the mother in this movie was a bad mother. Because the movie really had nothing to do with the child. Yes, the daughter was definitely used as motivation for the husband to do what he was supposed to do, but in the long run, the husband never would have done any of what he was told if she hadn't and wouldn't have learned a damn thing.
With this movie I am more irritated that the movie in America was called Shattered instead of its initial title of Butterfly on a Wheel. I like that title better. That title probably gives away the plot twist but still.
She "through" her kids off the bridge? Really? Learn when to use "threw" and "through!" Geez!!!!
"Self-reflection is the hardest thing for SOME people to do!"
Really? Is that all you took from what I wrote?
So, since you you have made it abundantly clear you have nothing to add to the conversation, and just being a bitch, I am inviting everyone in the world to send you anything they have that might to be proofread before turning it in, filing it, whatever. Since you don't care about the content of what's written and instead just a grammar nazi, you should be happy. You don't have to thank me. No one ever does. I do know the difference between the two words and either wasn't thinking about it or had initially written something else and never changed it. But I'm glad I could make your day better.
I don't remember writing any of this. I also don't remember seeing this film and I would certainly remember Pierce Brosnan with a strong Irish accent.
The weirdest thing is, this is exactly my style of writing and my son was 2 at the time of this post.
Hmm... my life is a one of those mystery movies where you haven't the foggiest clue what's going on.
Don't you understand, she did NOT use the kid. The kid was in no way involved. The kid was safely at home with the best nanny money could buy from the agency. The nanny / babysitter wasn't in on it. The kid had a fun day playing games, as did the innocent nanny.
This was in reply to an earlier post, but I guess someone else beat me to it by now.
I agree with Zazza. She didn't really use the kid, but she made Neil believe that Sophie was in danger. I think there's nothing worse than thinking your child is in danger, so what Neil felt was way worse than what she did with his cheating.
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Did you miss the part that they were going to have the entire day to themselves since it was here birthday and that is not a bad thing to do.
The child did not get a whiff of what is happeneing.
I dont even know why I am bothering to reply to you............
Is this a disease I hate blogs..........
Oh god how many times do I have to tell myself or make myself understand that this thing of "replying" to a blog is pathetic.
I knew she was in on it when he told her NOT to give the envelope to that person and she did!! a dead giveaway
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Yes true but it certainly convinced Niel. Plus she didn't put Sophie through it, Sophie was home the entire time. She didn't check on her at the end because she knew he would firgure it out immediantly. Right when they got home was when everything would be revealed. He didn't lose all of the money, he didn't lose his job...everything in the end remained the same except for what happened between Niel and Abby and Rian and his wife. Abby wanted Niel to feel what it was like to lose everything. That's why in the end she kept asking if that feeling was still with him.
But...lol sorry about that, to answer the actual question it is pretty hard to determine what Niel would have done. I'm a girl I would have handled the situation the wrong way. How Niel would have done it is something I can't predict.
"Life is a mask, it's our job to take it off and discover the journey behind it"
Abby was a crazy b****! If I was Neil I'd just pick up the phone and call the cops on them. Use the rest of that 100 grand and hire a good lawyer. Get a divorce and take the kid. Then first, Abby would know how it is to lose everything.
And yeah, what kind of a wife sits home for six years without doing anything work/education except raising some kid?
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Couldn't agree more! She has problems with her head obvoiusly, their daughter should stay with Neil.
shareWell the reason she did what she did is out of her intent to keep her husband. She probably loves him so much she could not / did not want to leave him (thinking they have so much to lose) and she wanted to get “even” so she could forgive him, this was her way of getting even. I’m a dude, I would never understand what a women (butterfly) would feel when her husband cheats on her, thanks to this movie I now have a freaken idea ! I can picture all the women cheer at the end of that movie yaaay, you go girl!
On the other hand, it scary to see what betrayal does, it can turn us into monsters, look at what the other husband did! I am not sure what his intentions were, but for one he wanted his wife to know that the guy banging her would not hesitate to put a bullet in her skull, was he worth it!
Anywho .. seems we are all victims of our desires
"I’m a dude, I would never understand what a women (butterfly) would feel when her husband cheats on her, thanks to this movie I now have a freaken idea ! I can picture all the women cheer at the end of that movie yaaay, you go girl! "
They would feel the same as a man does when a women cheats on him. It sucks but anyone, man or woman who cheers that psycho on in the movie should never EVER enter into a relationship until they get some therapy.
Yeah the guy cheated on her for years SO LEAVE HIM! God... what is wrong with people... Get a lawyer, takes him money, take the kid and get a monthly alimony check that will keep you relaxing for the rest of your life!
Yeah the guy cheated on her for years SO LEAVE HIM! God... what is wrong with people... Get a lawyer, takes him money, take the kid and get a monthly alimony check that will keep you relaxing for the rest of your life!obviously you don't know love then.
same thought exactly
shareI disagree with the '' you don't know love then'' comment.. people can fall in love more than once and they do! So she should've just divorced him.
I agree that there must be something seriously wrong with you if you aprove of the wife her aproach.. someone who goes to such extremes just to get A point acros (getting even)should not be taking care of a child.. but the child is not really a topic here because the movie was about mindgames to the max!
I like and dislike this movie..
I like that it kept u guessing even when the husband was not even trying to piece this thing together himself.
I dislike it because of the stupid end.. I always need to know what happens after the bigg BOOM.. as she was teasing him at the end.. I would have punched her in the neck.. stupid B@#$h
and I was annoyed at how weak he was.. most of the time the other husband(tom) didn't even have a gun and he still went along with everything he said..
and last... finding out the guy had a son of his own was major! he should've have grown instant balls right there (Sortoff liam neeson)'' If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.''
HELLO is it just me . Am I the only one in this forum who understands why Abby did what she did? Her husband whom she loved dearly had been having an affair. If any of you have ever had the one you love cheat on you I'm here to tell you, the pain cuts like a knife. People in love do desperate things sometimes. Neil didn't get what he truly deserved because he should've gotten his ass whipped good. He destroyed more than one life with his dumb decision and should've lost everything because trust me, when you loose a loved one to adultery, the children also suffer. Sophie was too young to know what was going on. She was safe and never in danger so what Abby did, did not hurt the child. The child had to be used to make Neil feel real pain, to feel hopeless as will as helplessness. Great job Abby.
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shareIn reply to shortdg3: No I'm sorry; nothing excuses what she did. How he could ever feel safe with her after that? Most sane women would confront him and either try to salvage the relationship or divorce him. I speak as a child whose father was a serial adulterer for many years.
There is NO reason for 'the child to be used' - she is a human being, NOT a weapon! It only showed the lack of feeling Abbie had for her daughter, let alone Neil. Abbie, to me, seemed a really 'bunny boiler'; I had NO sympathy for her. My mum would NEVER have reacted in such an over the top way; she certainly would never have used me like that.
Any parent who uses their child as a weapon against their partner should have their parental rights terminated immediately. If Neil had any sense and was not governed by guilt he would've seen how unstable Abbie was, taken Sophie with him when he left her and sued for divorce. Under the circumstances he would've got sole custody, and IF she managed to con any visitation he should've insisted that it was supervised at all times.
Its parents like her that kill the child to 'pay back' an absent spouse - her whole attitude made me shudder.
Neil had done it before, remember when she said she knew about it before. He has a wife and a child . He says he loves her and needs her but she feels that she is never enough. She feels her self hurt and burn with every lie, with every time he has sex with another women because she is never enough.
Months of it, months of doubt and emotional pain. Karma, payback is a b#tch and well deserved.
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Sorry Sirus51, but my dad had done it before - many, many times. But my mum, God rest her, would NEVER have done what Abbie did. There is NO excuse for using your child like that. What if he strayed again and next time she decided to kill the child to 'teach him a lesson'?
There is no 'karmic payback' in a situation like this, only an unstable woman who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near her daughter ever again.
shortdg3 - that's pretty twisted. I'm not denying that Abby deserved revenge but any good parent would say that letting Neil think that his child could die is going too far. The fact that the child was never in danger is besides the point, she let him think that she was. Neil was an absolute git and he deserved Abby's wrath but of the many instances he hurt her, she never feared for her child. Kids should be off limit's and in her actions, Abby lost any credibility as the victim.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men"
I agree with shortdg3. I like what she did. "Hell hath no fury". She was leaving him now and was refusing to be his victim. She told him you will always have the daughter. He had a chance to tell her the truth and he still lied.
shareThat woman was mentally ill and he should present eactly what happened, with out sugar coating his part in things, to the court. THERE IS NO EXCUSE! Sane people don't do those things and you do not use a child's welfare as a pawn, real or imagined. And don't forget, he nearly fell off of that building and the other woman was almost murdered. What would she say to the child if she indirectly killed her father? True he was a louse, but she is just full-goose-bozo. A lot of people get cheated on by their spouse (I have), but sane people just don't do those types of things. As far as who did what to whom she's WAY ahead of the game. Wished I hadn't watched that damn movie as it pissed me off so much.
shareIt's just you. She was nuts and two people almost died because of her, he almost fell off the building and almost shot the other woman.
shareIt's just you. She was nuts and two people almost died because of her, he almost fell off the building and almost shot the other woman.
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Uhm, you totally missed the whole point of the movie, Neils, the bad guy. And she's already figured him out... she's already told the cops to ignore him... the whole movie was one big mental mind *beep* for Neil, it didn't affect anyone else but him and then at the end the gal he was having an affair with.
I think I would headbutt her
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lol.. CO-sign.. maybe even Choke her... to make her feel what it's like to have no air.. like he did when he was running the streeths like a f-ing mad man trying to save her! that B*%&H!
shareCome on he cheated on her and he still lied until the end... he deserve what she done to him... deserve what he went through.. i feel it is very cruel punishment but come on... we all no Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.
shareOh come on derin79, that's garbage! Most women would divorce the SOB and take him for whatever they could get. If they were feeling particularly nasty they would tear up his suits, post nasty posters of his girlfriend around the neighbourhood and pour brake fluid over his car.
What Abby did went beyond normal anger. She wasn't 'scorned'; she was deranged. NO child should be used as a weapon against a partner, I don't care WHAT the provocation is. What if he cheats again? Would she REALLY kill the kid to pay him back?
The cold way she spoke about the little girl showed she didn't really care about her; she was just a means to an end to pay Neil back. She scared me, and I certainly wouldn't want her anywhere near me and mine. What if he didn't cheat again, but she thought he did? The possibilities of her going loony tunes again are endless, and she certainly shouldn't be anywhere near her daughter without official supervision.
But, as has been pointed out, she even worked it so that if he complained no one would believe him. I admit I had no sympathy for her at all by time the movie ended. I just wanted him to take the kid and disappear.
But if I were Neil... I'd start seeing a therapist :p
sharecome on this was just sick, she was a one crazy b****.
If she really loved him, then she should have talk to him first or something, not plan a crazy plan and tell her husband that his child has been kidnapped - thats just wrong.
And what then, she thinks that they are gonna live happy ever after??? I dont think so...
i would smack the hell out of him first, then get a divorce and take the child. Oh god, why.
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If I were Neil, I would have first and foremost thanked God that my daughter was okay. I would then get a hotel room or stay at a friend's to calm my nerves. I would then tell my wife that we are going to therapy...period. In therapy, I would accept responsibility for my wrongdoing and apologize. Then, I would tell her that what she did was by far the most vindictive, spiteful, and callous thing she could ever do.
I am a woman, and I wouldn't dare do anything so brutal to my husband. Of course you never know what you would do in a situation, but I have been cheated on. I agree with prez-9's perspective (even the violence), if you are that hurt and betrayed, then LEAVE!!! I don't condone intentional mental torture under any circumstances. Yeah, some people say "cheating on someone is emotional torture", but that doesn't have anything on concocting an elaborate scheme that makes you think your daughter is kidnapped and having you think that your entire life is ruined. That essentially captures the whole idea of "who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel"...why would you go through so much to convey such a simple point? How about this: "I know you cheated on me, I know with whom you cheated on me with, don't deny or lie, I am crushed, and I want you to leave (or I'm leaving)".
Simple.
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I suspect that Neil, smart business man that he is, recovered from the shock and by next morning was plotting some "financial" and "Child Custody" revenge.
He certainly showed a LOT of concern for his daughter. Perhaps Abby was jealous of his affection for the daughter.
How can ANY woman who has loved a man see what he was put through on that rooftop? It gaves me the chills everytime I watch it. She seemed very upset with Ryan at the time, but quickly backed out and was even mad at Neil.
Talk about a woman scorned! Actually, I thought there was a line of thought that the husband kills the wife, but the wife kills the other woman? or do I have that backwards?
He already had an affair in the past that came to light. She found out that he currently has another clamentine affair despite his outspokenness about how much he loves his wife. At the very beginning he is portrayed (although subtly so one only really recognizes it in retrospective) as a real bastard, not helping friends fixated on cash over family (even though he deludes himself differently; ie. comments on how little time he spends with his daughter) and above all that an affair which is hinted at the very beginning but the directing smartly leads us to believe the familial dynamics is perfect so that the viewer doesn`t suspect an affair as the underlying cause for his sudden misfortune.
Hey it`s a movie, don`t try to reason with it in realistic terms.
It was sheer fun watching it from the very beginning to the very end.
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Id be SOOOOO pissed
Ok lets Say NO HARM NO FOUL with Neil. But people forget about the wife
Does she deserve to have a GUN held to her Face by the orders of her Crazy Husband, and then make the trigger pulled (Even though it was unloaded)
Did she have THAT coming. That was part of ms I AM WOMAN HERE ME ROAR crazy plan
also she did use the child in the sense
he made the guy think the child would have GODS knows what done to her
Bronsan charcter use the child to hide behind so He wouldnt get beaten in a lot of the parts in the movie
If I was Neil, I would have slapped that bitch so hard she'd beg for Ike Turner. anyone that put me through that would have gotten smashed, male or female. If she was a real woman, she would have filed for divorce and taken the kid. This movie was stupid and a career killer for Butler. Be all tough in 300, then cry like a bitch and let pierce brosnan (the most unmuscular bond of all time) throw him around like a rag doll. Sad. I could kick Brosnan's puny ass while in a coma!
Pathetic! Watch anything else.
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Why would Judy have been unfaithful unless Tom had been such an unsatisfying husband? The same thing can be said about Abby. If Abby was such a wonderful wife and mother, why would Neil have sought out to have an affair with Judy? You don't go looking for greener pastures if everything is pleasant at home.
Secondly, if a partner is unfaithful, why go to such length to save a marriage that was already on the rocks?...BOTH marriages!
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I guess your a clueless om/ow because having an affair does not say anything about the wife or husband being cheated on but says a lot about the person doing the cheating, and what it says is that that person is either a cake eater or an passive aggressive a**hole who would rather hurt their partner by cheating then working on what ever childhood issues have made them so insecure that they have to feed their demons in such a destructed way.
As for nobody goes looking if the grass in your front lawn is green is true but that is when you sit down with your spouse and talk, not hook up with the next needy person you meet.
Why try to save it, because relationships are not supposed to thrown out when things take a turn for the worst but if an spouse is a serial cheater than take the trash out
Everyone seems to forget that this whole plan could have gone wrong .....what if he fell from the rooftop??? what if the gun was loaded??? what if the husband changed his mind about her idea??? so many unknown factors could have ended up in a fatal accident.....
The wife is crazy, plain and simple and not fit to be either a wife or mother.
Hope there is still room at the asylum for her.....
Yeah, like what if brosnan would have hit him in the head with that statue-thingy...
Anyways, I would be mad like hell. Make her life a hell, and his.
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What people like you forget is that their lives were already made hell by their cheating, selfish spouses.
Vote, bitches.
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I'm sorry but my dad was a serial cheater - he had at least twenty affairs that my mum, God rest her, knew of - but she would NEVER have used me to get back at him.
He is now shacked up with a woman my age, he's nearly 70, and I am horrified (my mum's been dead less that two years, God rest her. AND he had a girlfriend a mere three weeks after her death who had even come to her funeral drunk! She'd been a 'sort of' family friend prior to that). But I would still never hurt him like Neil's wife tortured her husband. I can't think of anything a husband/father could do that would make you behave like Neil's wife...
So Neil had two affairs, so what? She should have divorced him.
or what if your know crashing into a parking lot at 90 miles per hour sent the car flying off
or the Husband snapped and killed the guy
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Exactly; there were too many variables that could've gone horribly wrong. If I were her husband I would grab the kid and disappear, as she is obviously totally unhinged and dangerous to be around.