My list of flaws


Spoilers ahead!

I'm usually skeptical of threads like these. Some people find the smallest of things to complain loudly about. And I see several valid complaints here as well, but I haven't seen everything I found the most annoying.

One more point: there's a lot of "what if it didn't play out like Ted thought it would". Those kind of things don't bother me, because it's a movie: this is a story you're watching, enough with the "what ifs".

But I found enough to complain about:

Don't guns have serial numbers, especially police-issued weapons and a rich man's private weapon that he bought just a month ago?
Double Jeopardy: forget about the question of if this case qualifies, let's just say that in the universe of this film, it does. And if it does, if Ted is so smart and calculating, wouldn't he have thought of that?
And Willy stumbles into it completely by accident?
Yes, the eyes rolled when Willy gets out of Nikki's bed.
The ending: it should have ended when Ted opened the door to see everyone outside of his house. The scene that followed in the courtroom seemed totally stupid and pointless. It stinks of studio meddling.

Otherwise, the film was produced well, but it doesn't get better than a 6/10 from me because of the flaws, especially that first one above.

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Don't guns have serial numbers, especially police-issued weapons and a rich man's private weapon that he bought just a month ago?


The police had no reason to check the serial number of a gun that was never fired, hence never used in the crime.

Shouldn't they have figured out where he hid the gun?


Perhaps if they were God, or master geniuses, otherwise, probably not, because it was a pretty clever way to hide the gun.

Double Jeopardy: forget about the question of if this case qualifies, let's just say that in the universe of this film, it does. And if it does, if Ted is so smart and calculating, wouldn't he have thought of that?


The case is based on actual case law, Double Jeopardy does not apply, look at the citations of this fact in the trivia section of this movie.

And no, it's not a reasonable conclusion that he should have 'thought of that', given he wasn't a legal expert, and even a legal scholar may have overlooked it in that situation of events, I like how every troll thinks everything is so obvious after watching the movie.

And Willy stumbles into it completely by accident?


It was a semi-related comment by his boss that made him think of it, it was a perfectly plausible way to 'stumble into it'.

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(My response to your points removed because of the following last comment from you)

I like how every troll thinks everything is so obvious after watching the movie.

So I'm a troll?

How does that work in your world? Do you have any idea how it comes off to me, that you would call me a troll after I gave an honest list of my observations?

Can you understand that the possibility of continuing reasonable discourse on this matter is moot given your comment?

Do you do this in public? Have you ever called someone a troll to their face during a conversation?

What is it that your parents did to you as a child that you are so totally flunking behavior 101? Is calling strangers a troll online (for no good reason) your means of anger management?

PS: police checking weapon serial numbers is procedural. Any ballistics investigator would seriously lose face if they failed to do so, especially in such a high profile case. No reason to check a gun that wasn't fired? They knew a weapon was fired, they just didn't know which one--how about checking the serial numbers, hmm?

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The police don't do serial number checks on weapons unless there's an obvious reason to, they tested the gun to see if it was fired, it wasn't, hence it wasn't the murder weapon, no reasonable investigator would conclude that they needed to check that gun's serial number, there was no obvious link to it's importance in this case, your mistake is that since you watched the movie unfold and know how he hid the gun, you assert the police should have known too, you forgot to separate yourself from the evidence and look at it from the police's perspective of the evidence, which was pretty reasonable.

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The did check the serial numbers and saw that it was the gun registered to Hopkins, he switched the guns at the hotel then back at home when Burke came in and saw his wife. So the serial numbers on the gun they got from Hopkins would just prove that's the gun he owned.

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There's a big difference between this case and Bivens; Bivens was *guilty* (pled guilty) to assault with a deadly weapon on the victim, who died after being in a coma (for two years, IIRC.) The appellate court ruled, in part, that the legal system isn't required to wait for a victim to die in order to bring the most severe charge(s) against a suspect, allowing him to remain free in the interim. In this case, Crawford was not guilty of actions which could have resulted in death (attempted murder,) and remains not guilty of them if death ultimately results. Bivens was found guilty of actions, Crawford was not.

There are a number of other cases like Bivens in which double jeopardy did not attach as guilt of a lesser charge had been proven prior to the death of the victim.

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