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Anyone else hoping for Crawford to triumph?


I was hoping that the film would end with Crawford victorious and the DA unable to do anything about it. Perhaps the final scene should have been Mrs. Crawford being taken off life support.

Something about the contrived "happy ending" with the smug young punk outwitting Crawford (in spite of Crawford having got the better of him and everybody else throughout the rest of the story) just rubbed me the wrong way.

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i did. i'm sorry, i could have seen if the wife had been similar to julia robert's laura from sleeping with the enemy, but she reminded me more of lolita davidovitch's jenny in 'raising cain.'

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i did. i'm sorry, i could have seen if the wife had been similar to julia robert's laura from sleeping with the enemy, but she reminded me more of lolita davidovitch's jenny in 'raising cain.'


If the audience was supposed to dislike Crawford and sympathize with his opponents, the film failed miserably.

Let's consider Crawford's enemies:

1) A cheating whore of a wife.

2) A corrupt, thuggish police officer who happens to be sleeping with the wife.

3) A smug, ambitious young social climber of a lawyer who plays boy-toy to his female supervisor to advance his career...

etc.

Sure, Crawford is a murderer. But I just can't muster any sympathy for either his victim or those who are out to catch him.

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I didn't want Crawford to win either. I thought the wife had obviously tried to talk to him about getting out of the marriage and he didn't want to. He came across as a cold-hearted bastard. I certainly didn't think of her as a whore; I thought she was desperate to find some happiness away from him. It was clear that Crawford was a psychopath who'd rather kill her than let her go.

As for Gosling's character, he started out as a calculating and somewhat smug individual, but he changed in the course of the film. He suddenly found a drive to put things right and not sell out to the private company. He had compassion for the wife and grew into someone admirable and likeable. I felt like cheering at the end.

Mind you, having said that, I did guess the gun thing extremely early on (even when I saw it at the cinema years ago) and the film stretched credibility that the cops never figured it out and it even took Willy a heck of a long time. I did like the double jeapardy twist, though. My one gripe about the film was Hopkins's wandering accent. At some points, it was Oirish and then he just seemed to forget about it altogether.

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I thought the wife had obviously tried to talk to him about getting out of the marriage and he didn't want to.

There's nothing in the film to support that. Their interactions were very brief, but in fact he tried to talk to her, and she simply brushed him off. I can't imagine conversations with him were particuarly pleasant, given how arrogant and know-it-all he was, but even so ... unless, of course, you're just adopting the standard position these days of "the man is always the offender, the woman the badly-done-by"...

He ... grew into someone admirable and likeable. I felt like cheering at the end.

Funny how perceptions differ. I never found him likeable, let alone admirable, and it was at the end I wanted to slap him the most. Unbearable and egotistical as he was, although he ended up doing the nominally "right" thing, I don't think it was ever actually for the wife; it was all about not letting Crawford beat him and trying to prove Crawford wrong about naming Willy's "weakness" (though, in fact, Crawford was right). I don't believe Beachum ever saw anything beyond his own ego.

My one gripe about the film was Hopkins's wandering accent. At some points, it was Oirish and then he just seemed to forget about it altogether.

Yeah, I don't think consistent accents are a strength of his. In "The World's Fastest Indian" he was the most Welsh-sounding New Zealander I've ever heard.



You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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{i]Sorry, maybe my moral compass is set at a different place to everyone else here but personally I cheered when the arrogant, smug, multi-billionaire with the apparently disposable trophy wife was finally brought down by the crusading, altruistic public prosecutor who willingly endangers his potential corporate career to fight for justice, but then again, I've never found it that easy to sympathise with murderers, regardless of how 'smug' or 'thuggish' their enemies might be.[/i]

I completely agree with you. There are films where we are supposed to root for the "anti-hero", but this not one of them.

I thought the wife had obviously tried to talk to him about getting out of the marriage and he didn't want to. He came across as a cold-hearted bastard. I certainly didn't think of her as a whore; I thought she was desperate to find some happiness away from him. It was clear that Crawford was a psychopath who'd rather kill her than let her go.

Agreed. I have a problem with anyone labeling the wife a whore and it's clear she wanted out. He knew it. That's why he had her followed to begin with.

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I have a problem with anyone labeling the wife a whore


You have a problem, period.

What else do you call a young gold-digger who marries an elderly billionaire for his money and cheats with younger men on the side?

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You have a problem, period.

What else do you call a young gold-digger who marries an elderly billionaire for his money and cheats with younger men on the side?


Really?

It was never said she married him for his money, so actually keep it straight, so basically it's your problem for making up something that wasn't there. And if you think homicide is justifiable, then I'd say you're problems are much more severe.

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What else could she have married him for? If she was straight she would have divorced him first and then started an affair with the other guy. It was made obvious in the movie that she was cheating on him on the sly but didn't mind kissing her husband at the end of the day.

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I don't think she should have been killed for her actions because she never really said she wanted to be with her lover. Seems no one remembers she said she would not be with him. [So at that time she was not going anywhere]I was not also so sure she did not love her husband but was getting relief from him by having an affair.

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Sorry, maybe my moral compass is set at a different place to everyone else here but personally I cheered when the arrogant, smug, multi-billionaire with the apparently disposable trophy wife was finally brought down by the crusading, altruistic public prosecutor who willingly endangers his potential corporate career to fight for justice, but then again, I've never found it that easy to sympathise with murderers, regardless of how 'smug' or 'thuggish' their enemies might be.


That's right...there's the cackling villain in a black top hat and a curly mustache, who is righteously defeated by the good guy in the white hat or the mounty uniform.

Must be dandy going through life with such a simplistic view of things.

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I agree. Crawford could have divorced her. Murder or revenge through violence is never the answer.

I might be wrong about this, but he told Willy precisely where he planted the bullet. I'm sure that it is quite common for someone to live when they are shot in the head, as opposed to say, the heart where it is instant death. I am an ex-nurse and I have seen a few patients with bullets in the skulls making it, ironically, one of the less likely places to ensure death would be automatic.
So maybe it is possible that he planned for that outcome. Attempted murder is a lot less serious charge than murder. Just going by the number of people on this site alone who were cheering for him because he was being cheated would ensure at least a partially sympathetic jury.
No, he wanted them dead, on his own controlling terms. A man like that is very used to having his own way.

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Win.

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I think this is the first time ever I was rooting for the villain all the way. The guy was cheated by his wife and he took his revenge. He was smart and was able to manipulate the justice system. I say he deserved to walk free and he would of if Hollywood weren't so bent on giving us a crowd pleasing happy ending all the time.

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Its perfectly moral and justifiable to murder someone because of infidelity?!

Some of you may have some issues. I would suggest seeing a good therapist.

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They made Crawford so unlikeable so its not an issue.

Its that man again!!

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At the beginning of this I wanted the lawyer to lose more than anything because he was such a horrible, smug, irritating bastard. Toward the end I was hoping he'd win, though; I thought he really developed as a character and it became obvious how utterly evil Mr Hopkins character actually was.

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I agree totally! It was a pretty good movie until the contrived happy ending. That's hollywood for you, they have to let pretty boy Gosling come out on top, even though he was outsmarted and outclassed every step of the way! I'm sure the girls enjoyed it

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In real life i would have likes to see him go to prison, but in the film i rooted for him. Whther double jeopardy exists or not it was an unrealisti oversight on his part to lose like that- it was just too obvious an error for a man who wa so smart up to there

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I hoped. It was almost a perfect murder!

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No. The guy was a murderer who shot his wife because he couldn't control her. It was clear from minute 1 what kind of marriage that was. Does anyone really think he loved her? She was his trophy, his possession, not his lover. And when he found that his power over her was slipping, he killed her. No wonder she looked for happiness somewhere else, trapped in a marriage with an evil, manipulative POS like that.

Having said that, I was close to apathetic about the whole thing. I didn't sympathize with the character, but the fact that he was so well-acted by a brilliant actor like Anthony Hopkins made him a lot more interesting than the bland Ryan Gosling and his complete buffoon of a character. I didn't root for Crawford, but I didn't root for Beachum either because he was an unlikable, uninteresting moron.

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I was hoping that the film would end with Crawford victorious and the DA unable to do anything about it. Perhaps the final scene should have been Mrs. Crawford being taken off life support.

Something about the contrived "happy ending" with the smug young punk outwitting Crawford (in spite of Crawford having got the better of him and everybody else throughout the rest of the story) just rubbed me the wrong way.

I completely agree, Edward. I don't think the film knew what it was trying to do, really, because both major characters (plus the secondary one, the woman at the private law firm) were thoroughly unlikeable, and yet the film didn't seem to acknowledge that it knew that. Crawford at least was interesting -- something that can't be said for Beachum, who simply acted from his ego throughout the entire film, and in a narrative sense didn't seem to earn anything he got. (Crawford was bang-on in his analysis of Beachum's flaw.)

I actually enjoyed Crawford's machinations, right up until the moment when the film made him unaccountably stupid and over-reaching, as a free pass to let Beachum prevail. (And if you've seen the two alternative endings on the Blu-ray, they're even worse for precisely that reason.) There must be some phrase for that, isn't there, when a film suddenly rings a change on a major character in order to get a resolution, because it wasn't clever enough to wring one out of the characters as it had previously constructed them? It's not really a deus ex machina, the "god moment" ... I know as a film-watcher that it always smells fishy when they do it, so perhaps I'll call it the "cod moment'. ;-)



You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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me too hopkins is not real villain here the wife is

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It seemed to me she wanted out but he didn't really want to talk about it. Not that that justifies cheating.
Nothing they showed made me sympathize with Crawford. Because his wife cheated she deserved to be shot in the head? What she deserved was a divorce with no alimony. I wish they had done more background with them because you really don't get much information to side with either of them, but maybe they did that on purpose.
Also don't get why people didn't like Goslings character. He changed for the better as the movie progressed. He wanted to do what was right, not just what was in it for him.

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