Hi guys, I am studying Law (in Europe though, but double jeopardy works the same).
You can not be tried twice for the same "set of facts". For example, if you killed somebody, and the prosecution goes for manslaughter, if you're acquitted, the prosecution can not retry you for Murder 2, even if they have new evidence.
The result actually doesn't matter. The fact that the wife ended up dead or not doesn't change the facts.
Therefore, you can not retry him for the same crime, even if you have new evidence. That is as simple as that.
And even if you'd admit there's no double jeopardy, there is still no murder, as she didn't die because of him shooting the gun. The whole story around the guns and all can not be tried again, even with new evidence!
I have been reading alot of opinions here regarding doubly jeopardy and the pulling of the plug etc. I've never really bothered to respond to any of the comments on the movies I look at on IMDB but I feel compelled to answer this one in response to several things that have been posted.
First, American law says that someone cannot be tried for the same OFFENSE. Facts, evidence, circumstances etc. do not apply to this law. It ONLY states that a person cannot be tried for the same offense...period.
Second, his pulling the plug is not considered euthanasia. Life support is considered a heroic measure to keep someone's organs functioning. Someone in a coma who's body cannot function on it's own is considered to have succumbed to their injuries or illnesses when machines are turned off.
Third, the injuries that she sustained were the result of a commission of a crime committed by Anthony Hopkins character who we have established was tried and acquitted of Attempted Murder.
Now that the woman has in fact died as a result of her injuries, not as a result of being taken off life support (which would have happened during the natural course if the machines had not been used in the first place...this now becomes a homicide...plain and simple not just an attempted murder.
As a complete aside, the prosecution doesn't have the right to "appeal" in cases of acquittal which this is. That is why double jeopardy exists. If you are acquitted (that is found not guilty) once a trial has begun and testimony has been heard, double jeopardy attaches to that offense ONLY.
As far as new evidence or whether the gun is even enough to convict him of murder is irrelevant. The cops were outside during the exchange, more than likely they would not have sent Willy in without a wire. They have the man's confession of the crime, not to mention his security footage of the conversation in question. That would likely be all they would need to convict, even without the gun.
They could only convict him for murder IF they had been successful in convicting him for shooting her. If he had been found guilty of committing the act that caused her death then they could prosecute him for causing her death, but he wasn't. 'Homicide' and "attempted murder" are just charges, it is the act of shooting her and the act of causing her death that are the offences; if you could keep trying someone on different charges, then you would see cases like this all the time. For example, if somebody actually kills someone you could try them for the act of attempted murder, and if the case falls through there is nothing to stop you having another crack and trying them for murder. Except there is: double jeopardy. Once he is cleared of shooting her that is it, you cannot retry him for shooting her again, regardless of the confession: it would require him to be convicted of causing her death without shooting her. Now possibly, there may be some quirk that would allow for him to be convicted for authorising her life support to be switched off, but you would probably have to prove he paid off the doctor or something; a taped confession wouldn't cut it.
Unfortunately Logan, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. If you shoot someone and they die, there is no attempted murder charge because that was not the crime committed, it would go directly to a murder or manslaughter or whatever charge actually applied to the situation. Also there is at least one case that I know of in Alabama where a man has been tried 3 times now for a single murder. He was eventually found not guilty and while double jeopardy should prevent him from ever being tried again, the DA is desperately trying to find a way to take him to trial for a 4th time.
Let's keep in mind that he was not found "not guilty" by a jury of his peers. This cased was dismissed on a motion by the defense for "lack of evidence". While that does mean he's effectively acquitted of the charges he faced and jeopardy does terminate at that time for "attempted murder" only, if she later dies the nature of the crime and it's result has changed. The entire act has now changed in nature. Also there is new evidence which was not available at the first trial for a lesser charge.
In this case they tried him for attempted murder because she was technically still alive at the time of the trial. If she had died before the trial began, charges would have been amended at that time and Willy would have been totally buggered on being able to put him away. Crawford never really meant for her to survive. He intended to go to trial once for murder and get off with his trickery. His "weakness" in this movie was Hubris. He knew double jeopardy would apply once he was tried for murder but he didn't count on the fact that she might live and he wouldn't be tried for murder in the first place.
The fact that she was on life support and subsequently died as a result of her injuries sustained during a criminal act, means that the person responsible can now be charged with her murder.
The first and second case both have at least 1 uniquely evident fact. One she initially survived and in the other she is now dead. Double jeopordy on the "attemped murder" charge attaches and terminates with his acquittal. But it does not apply when there is a second charge of murder as the facts of the case have changed. It was an attempted murder and it became a murder. Additional charges can be brought against a defendant for the same act if and only if the prosecution can provide at least one unique fact that applies to each charge. In this case the victim being alive and then dying as a result of her injuries. They do NOT have to tried at the same time.
You clearly don't have a legal background since there are fundamental flaws in your understanding of the various legal processes, so I'm going to explain a few things. The case wasn't dismissed, Crawford moved for an acquittal and was granted one i.e. he was legally found not guilty of shooting her; it is completely irrelevant whether the decision was by a jury or by a judge. An "offence" is defined under law to be an action, because you can only try the evidence once. Therefore, he can only be tried for shooting her once regardless of the consequences. The fact that she subsequently dies only has a bearing on the nature of the charge, not the nature of the offence i.e. the action that caused her death is not independent of the action he was acquitted of. There is no way to convict him of murder since you would have to prove that she died of a bullet wound he inflicted, and that evidence cannot be tried again under double jeopardy. If he had been found guilty of attempted murder you could then try him for murder, since you would only have to prove she died of the injury that he had already been found guilty of inflicting. Like I said, given the fact that he confessed his intention to kill her then there may be a case against him for having her her life support turned off, but I doubt it. The whole thing wasn't very well done really, and the notion that hospital security would physically prevent a lawyer from delivering a court order is laughable to the extreme, so it's foolish to draw any legal lessons from this film.
You went on about charges of attempted murder and murder at the same time and you say I don't have any legal background? Clearly you don't understand that being acquitted of one charge doesn't have any bearing on a different charge resulting from the same incident. It also has no bearing on a civil trial resulting from the same incident - Biggest example I can give you there is OJ. He was found not guilty during his criminal trial by a jury and yet subsequently lost a civil suit for wrongful death. Surely you've seen criminals tried for multiple charges resulting from a single criminal incident and be convicted of one offence and found not guilty of others. The same principle applies here. Only you are forgetting the basic fact that those charges do not have to be tried at the same time.
Yes the defense made a motion to acquit for lack of evidence. Yes jeopardy for attempted murder terminates with that motion. I already said it did.
And just to clear something else up. Offense is not defined by law to be an action. Please at least consult a legal dictionary before you post such drivel.
offense n. a crime or punishable violation of law of any type or magnitude. (See: crime)
crime n. a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public and a term in jail or prison, and/or a fine as possible penalties. There is some sentiment for excluding from the "crime" category crimes without victims, such as consensual acts, or violations in which only the perpetrator is hurt or involved such as personal use of illegal drugs.
So as you can clearly see it's not the action it's the crime committed that determines the "offense". Attempted murder and murder are two different crimes even if they result from the same action. A person is arrested for attempted murder if the victim isn't dead by the time the arrest is made. If that victim later dies as a result of their injuries the attempted murder charge is changed to a murder charge suitable for the facts of the case BECAUSE THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT CRIMES/OFFENSES resulting from the same action. Just like armed robbery, homicide and possession of a firearm are separate crimes committed in the same act. There is no requirement that the alleged robber must be tried for all 3 crimes at the same time. Any the results of the trials for any of those 3 do not preclude trials and/or convictions for the others.
Double Jeopardy only attaches to offenses that are tried and settled in a manner where jeopardy has attached and successfully terminates.
So where exactly are the flaws in the legal processes I've described? I can provide documentation such as the definitions above for each of my statements.
Now, I never claimed to be a lawyer but if you are going to swing your legal expertise around, please at least know what you are talking about so you don't look quite so foolish in the future being factually corrected by a layperson with mad research skills. And if you are in fact practicing law, please let me know the specifics regarding contact information for your practice because I sure as hell want to avoid hiring or recommending you and your ineptitude for legal counsel.
All of that said, I do have issues with the hospital security stopping a lawyer with a legal document among other things in the movie but the double jeopardy part is not one of them.
The same principle does not apply here, since in cases where multiple charges are levelled the evidence is only tried once in a single trial. They don't keep going back to court and trying the same evidence. This actually proves my argument and goes back to the point I made earlier: if different charges counted as different offences, you could hold a few back and have another go if the person got off first time around. The reason that doesn't happen is because double jeopardy ensures that the evidence can only be tried once. If your interpretation of the law was correct then you would have pointed out various cases to me where the same evidence was tested in more than one trial, but since you haven't done I have to assume you can't do, and if you can't do then you need to entertain the notion you are wrong about this.
The OJ trial has little bearing on this, because his second trial was a civil trial. The evidence was not tried more than one in a criminal court. Presumably Crawford could be sued for unlawful killing and would probably be found guilty, but the DA certainly wouldn't be trying the case.
Actually at least one case has already been pointed out earlier in the thread where exactly the same criminal incident was tried two separate times for different crimes which proves my point. Scroll back and you'd find it. That should be sufficient enough.
Also why do I need to point to ANY case other than the People vs. Bivens case that they actually use in the movie which states exactly what i'm telling you? It's an actual case and it does clearly state that the same evidence can be used to try a second charge if facts have not occurred or have not been discovered despite due diligence.
Here's the part of that case you need to concentrate on:
The court in Grady recognized an exception to the above principles: "We recognized in Brown v. Ohio, 432 U.S. 161, 169 , and n. 7 [53 L.Ed.2d 187, 97 S.Ct. 2221 (1977), that when application of our traditional double jeopardy analysis would bar a subsequent prosecution, '[a]n exception may exist where the State is unable to proceed on the more serious charge at the outset because the additional facts necessary to sustain that charge have not occurred or have not been discovered despite the exercise of due diligence. See Diaz v. United States, 223 U.S. 442, 448 -449 [56 L.Ed. 500, 32 S.Ct. 250] (1912); Ashe v. Swenson, 397 U.S. 436, 453 , n. 7 [25 L.Ed.2d 469, 90 S.Ct. 1189] (1970)] (Brennan, J., concurring.)' " (Grady v. Corbin, supra, 495 U.S. at p. 516 [109 L.Ed.2d at p. 561, fn. 7].) This exception did not apply in Grady because the assistant district attorney was informed of the victim's death on the night of the accident. (Ibid.)
Another excerpt from the same case states the following very clearly:
The court in In re Saul S., supra, 167 Cal. App. 3d 1061 acknowledged that the California cases which recognize the above exception to the general rule of double jeopardy involve misdemeanor convictions followed by prosecutions for homicide after the death of the victim. However, even though the case before it involved an attempted murder adjudication followed by a petition charging murder of the same victim, "this is a distinction without a difference because the rationale employed by these courts in recognizing the exception is the same." (Id., at pp. 1066-1067.)
[5] The rationale or public policy principle articulated in In re Saul S. is that even though the rule against multiple prosecutions is a procedural safeguard designed to prevent harassment, there is no harassment or fundamental unfairness when the defendant is prosecuted for the death of the victim which had not occurred at the time of the misdemeanor prosecution. (167 Cal. App. 3d 1067.)
Now this ruling applies DIRECTLY to the case in the movie (most likely why they used it) since she wasn't dead at the time of trial and later died as a result of a gunshot wound to the head, the facts of the case have now changed meaning double jeopardy on attempted murder do not apply to a subsequent murder charge and the evidence can be tried again.
That enough case history for you? Or would you like me to pull up excerpts from all of those mentioned already in this thread and in the People vs Bivens case plus others that prove my point? Please, stop before you embarrass yourself further.
That is clearly not a precedent for what happens here, because Bivens was not acquitted of the lesser crime. The Bivens case allows for testing further evidence that is not independent of an offence the defendent has been convicted of i.e. it would allow for Crawford to be tried for murder following his conviction for attempted murder, since you are trying new evidence i.e you are prosecuting that his wife died of a gun shot wound that he has aleady been convicted of inflicting; in such a scenario you do not have to retry the evidence that he inflicted the gunshot wound. In the film's scenario it would be impossible to prosecute him, because even though you can prove his wife died of the gunshot wound, he as already been acquitted of inflicting it. The Bivens case allows to try fresh evidence that has not already been tried, it categorically does not allow you try the same evidence again. As I have pointed out, if this were the case you would get prosecutors holding back certain pieces of evidence and certain charges so they can have a second shot should they fail.
As far as new evidence or whether the gun is even enough to convict him of murder is irrelevant. The cops were outside during the exchange, more than likely they would not have sent Willy in without a wire. They have the man's confession of the crime, not to mention his security footage of the conversation in question. That would likely be all they would need to convict, even without the gun.
That confession would be worthless since Goslings character is seen taking the gun from the drawer and holding it during the confession. It's, as you said, all on the CCTV thus no one in their right mind would prosecute on that confession.
Also CCTV indoors NEVER EVER have sound recordings, doorcams might have a microphone but often not, you use a simple intercom for that. There would never have been a CCTV vocal recording of the confession even if he wasn't wearing a wire, just images of Gosling standing there threatening with a gun in hand.
The bullet is also as you said irrelevant since you cannot prove that Hopkins was in their hotel room switching the weapons, they said so themselves since the hat was in the way.
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As the case against him for manslaughter has been acquitted, none of the facts surrounding this incedent have any relevance in the subsequent incident when he unplugs her at the hospital. he has the same rights as any other close family member. As the hospital has an agreed procedure to ascertain if a person is to be taken off life support, and that protocol is being adhered to, there is no crime committed. Whatever the circumstances he could not have been brought to trial for murder.
The Double Jeopardy rule has been revisited, and overturned, in dozens of jurisdictions over the last decade, including most States of Australia.
In some respects, this seems fair, but it does worry me that an unbalanced investigator could persecute an innocent suspect for decades and potentially drive them to bankruptcy or suicide.
Presumably, there was a very good reason for introducing the Double Jeopardy rule in the first place, in so many different jurisdictions.
What has changed over the last decade to cause so many experts in jurisprudence to abandon hundreds of years of legal practice and precedent?
Presumably, there was a very good reason for introducing the Double Jeopardy rule in the first place, in so many different jurisdictions.
What has changed over the last decade to cause so many experts in jurisprudence to abandon hundreds of years of legal practice and precedent?
That's a good question. I can't read all the posts, so I don't know if this case was brought up, but without Double Jeopardy, you have what is happening to Amanda Knox. How many times can you try someone for the same crime until you get the results you want? Some criminals may go free, but I think there is still a place for Double Jeopardy in our criminal justice systems.
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Not to add to this very long thread, but double jeopardy would not necessarily apply in this case because in California, you can bring a murder charge with an "Intent to kill" or a murder charge with "implied malice" meaning that the defendant did not care whether the victim died or not. There is no attempted murder with with implied malice.
1. At the end of the movie, if the prosecution tried to charge Hopkins with the first type of murder charge (intent to kill), double jeopardy would attach because that type of murder has the same elements as the attempted murder charge.
2. If the prosecution tried to charge Hopkins with the second type of murder charge (implied malice), double jeopardy would not apply because the attempted murder charge would have different elements than the murder charge.
3. Therefore, in Fracture, at the end, the prosecution could only bring the murder charge on a theory of implied malice (Hopkins had not intent to kill his wife) to avoid double jeopardy. HOWEVER, even though double jeopardy would not attach, issue preclusion (res judicata) would prevent a murder charge of any kind. Hopkins was acquitted because the prosecution could not prove he shot his wife in attempt to kill her (not just because they could not prove he intended to kill his wife or something else). That issue (whether he shot his wife) could NOT be retried under any charge. This would prevent a murder charge.
Therefore, the end was inaccurate. (I'm a lawyer, and this is NOT legal advice).
For people debating whether pulling the plug counts as murder, just check the precedents... Airedale NHS Trust v Bland [1993] HL
A UK case says that pulling the plug is not a nervous actus intervenus.
I'm not going to get into the DJ debate, but pulling the plug does not change the fact that her inability to sustain her own life was a direct result of the gun shot to the head (and not the existence of life support).
If you don't like the fact that its UK then find an American one. But the precedent will be the same in either country.
Regarding the facts, are they the same though? Doesn't look that way to me. Before they had no murder weapon, and no valid confession, due to Lt. Robert 'Rob' Nunally's personal involvement with the victim. Second time round, they had the murder weapon, and a valid confession. Seems to me the second trial would be a lot more robust.
As for the double jeopardy, the problem isn't the facts/evidence. The problem is how the victim actually died. She died through her machine being turned off, in what appeared to be a very legal manner. The bullet didn't kill her as she didn't die as a direct result of her wounds. That to me makes the facts & evidence null and void.
The only way I could see them getting him on the murder charge (despite all the new evidence), is if the events prior somehow nullified his legal right to turn off her machine. If they could get past that hurdle, then they might get the second trial, but that's a huge long shot. Seems like a plot hole to me.
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Simple facts: - He was tried and ACQUITTED for shooting his wife (the actual charges used and whether she live or died are irrelevant) - He LAWFULLY pulled her plug (since he was not found guilty of the shooting). - Beechum was holding a GUN while Crawford gave his second confession (duress)
So I don't see how can he possibly be tried for either the shooting (he was tried and acquitted for that, it's the textbook definition of double jeopardy) or pulling her plug (100% legal action) unless he's charged with unrelated federal charges (say violation of civil rights) like the FBI did in the 60's.
No wonder the film stops at the beginning of the second trial. Even the film makers couldn't bring themselves to pull a convicted happy ending.
I'm curious what this lawful act is considered to be legally once the murder attempt is proven. It was lawful only as long as he was innocent, now that he isn't him pulling the plug is part of the "murder process" isn't it?
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He was already tried for the attempted murder charge, and it was dismissed, hence not guilty of attempted murder.
That is done.
So he is now LEGALLY allowed to pull the plug. Any new evidence/speculation regarding the shooting is moot and pointless, he was already tried for that.
Thus he simply cannot be accused of murder just because the FORMER assistant DA doesn't like losing.
Even Wikipedia quotes critics stating the movie bent the law to force a happy ending.