I only just realised, after rewatching the film, that when Tristan retrieves the ruby amulet and the princes' ghosts disappear into motes of light, they all go upwards... except Septimus' mote, which glows faintly red and goes downwards!
It made me chuckle.
If you are talking about his soul going downward. I believe that he is going to HELL, not sure.
shareThat's the implication, yes. I just thought it was a great touch, and pretty easy to miss.
shareI had to look at it over again and saw what you meant. I figured he went to Hell while they went to Heaven, but I think some of the other brothers should have went with him too.
shareyes but i think it was made pretty clear that septimus pretty much killed all the brothers, xcept for the one the witch kills in the tub
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Yeah, well except the one that Septimus pushed. He killed one of the brothers too, but Septimius was just bad.
shareTrue, but the one brother at least attempted to apologize for it, joking around after falling "Oh, you aren't still upset about THAT, are you?". Even that attempt may have been enough, karma-wise, to elevate him above Septimus. That guy was just slimey.
shareI definitely think some of the others should have gone to Hell. What about the one who poisoned the drinks in the beginning of the movie? He even killed a man of the cloth. If that's not reason to go to Hell, I don't know what is. Some of the brothers were victims, but I'm pretty certain that most were killers, and definitely Hell-worthy.
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Absolutely!!! I hadn't noticed that, at first!
In retrospect, Secundus probably should've followed: if I remember correctly, after he was pushed out the window, he looks at his brothers, surprised, and says "oh, honestly, you can't still be upset, that was *ten* years ago", so it's my theory he was responsible of the death of at least one of his brothers. As a murderer, he probably should've gone with Septimus.
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Plus, just after Secundus has plunged to his death, it looks as though Tertius is on the verge of pushing Septimus after him until a glare from Septimus warns him off. Later, Primus looks rather pleased when he (wrongly) believes that Tertius and Septimus have poisoned each other but left him alive. All the brothers are murderous.
It might be inferred that Septimus is singled out for damnation because - unlike his brothers who are only killing each other according to royal tradition - he has a habit of skewering people who're just unfortunate enough to get in his way. Though one of them is Ricky Gervais, which might be considered a mitigating factor.
According to the book at least, the first four deceased brothers were not guilty of killing any fellow brother. Septimus killed two of them, and Tertius and Secundus killed one each.
In the movie, it's pretty clear early on that Septimus is the worst of the lot. When the King sends Secundus to look out the window, he gives a knowing nod to Septimus as if to say "I'm setting you up for the kill." And when the King realizes their sister Una is not present, his immediate suspicions is that Septimus has been overzealous and killed her, even though she wasn't eligible for the throne.
ha i never noticed that little touch.... the ghosts/brothers were great
great movie as well
well spotted
shareSomething else i only realised on second viewing.When the witch said heads or tails at the end.That was what the other witch had said when she offered her a meal when they met before.
shareWho were the ghosts? I recognised...
Mac and Stratham from Green Wing as two of the ghosts. (Frozen ghost and poisoned ghost)
Either Adam or Joe from "The Adam and Joe Show" as a third ghost. (Axe-head ghost)
Jason Flemyng as the good ghost who gets killed in the tub. (Naked ghost)
Possibly David Walliams as the ghost on the end who at first I thought was Bill Bailey until I heard the Walliams-esque voice. (Burnt ghost?)
Rupert Everett as the squashed-face ghost who got the push. (pizza ghost)
And a familiar face as Septimus. (wet ghost)
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Also, it may have something to do with Septimus seeking eternal life, immortality as King. That's pretty selfish and he was willing to kill a celestial being [Yvaine] and anyone who got in his way. I don't doubt that if he'd known Tristan was standing in his way of the crown, he would have killed him, despite him being his nephew.
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Yes, I thought that was very funny. It makes me laugh every time I watch this movie.
I think everyone who replied in this thread is missing the point, though, as to why Septimus is the only one who went to hell out of all of the brothers. He went to hell not because he murdered some of his brothers (because Secundus did as well, and still went to heaven), but because he was planning on killing the witches, then killing Yvaine and taking her heart for himself, so as to live forever once he became king. Remember when he was questioning Bernard, that farm boy, after the inn scene?
Bernard: The man, see, your brother...I heard him speak of a stone. Yeah, the girl had it. The girl had it.
Septimus: What girl?
Bernard: I don't know. A girl. She got away. Because this was a trap set up for her, but your brother, he come just straight into it.
Septimus: A trap? Set by who?
Bernard: A woman you should pray you'll never meet. She's...She's gone. She took your brother's carriage.
Septimus: This woman wanted my stone?
Bernard: No. She wanted the girl's heart. She said the girl was a star and she wanted to cut out her heart and...
Septimus: Eat it? Oh, my God. Do you have any idea what this means? Everlasting life. King forever.
It's hard to understand why Septimus went to hell and the others didn't. Is one murder for gain unhellworthy than many murders?
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My guess would be that the others only killed their siblings - which is the accepted and respected way to gain the throne.
Septimus, however, casually killed a number of other people - he stabbed Ferdy the Fence and the soothsayer, and (inadvertently) poisoned the old bishop with no remorse. He probably killed others offscreen too.
Yeah i just caught that too. Its too bad really, since Septimus was my favorite character (if my brothers are reading this beware...)
shareSeptimus was a great character played very well by Mark Strong.
The movie made it clear that Septimus was way more ruthless and nasty than the other brothers. He killed anyone who even annoyed him (Ferdy the Fence).
Contrast him to say, Primus, who the Bishop called "benevolent" and who gave Tristan a ride. He wasn't dumb though; he did a good job getting rid of Septimus in the beginning by employing the soothsayer.
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